SEP Revalidation by experience – P1/S time
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SEP Revalidation by experience – P1/S time
Can the 6 hours PIC in the preceding 12 months before expiry date include P1/S time? Trying to find something on CAA website without much success. P1/S time was club checkouts. Thanks
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CAP 804 (Section 1 Part E Para 9 J
J Pilot undergoing any form of flight test with a EASA or CAA Authorised Examiner (other than case K. N/A PICUS for successful Test Enter time in ‘P1’ column and have it certified by aircraft commander.
P/UT for unsuccessfu test (including partial pass) Enter time in ‘Dual’ column
P/UT for unsuccessfu test (including partial pass) Enter time in ‘Dual’ column
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Thanks Whopity. I’m still not clear on what a successful check out with an instructor should be booked as, even though instructors have signed it as P1/S. The closest I can find in FCL is 3.1 b) ref ‘holder of a pilot licence may log as pilot-in-command....flight time under supervision.....provided such flight time is countersigned by the instructor.’ Maybe I should have been booking as P1?
Put simply there is no official way to do it. It was quite common 25 years ago to do a club check and sign it as P1/S, nothing said that it had to be a licencing prof check, that came much later.
From Art 103 the Law says:
So long as you have fulfilled the requirements of Art 103 you are OK
It is a personal flying log book, you can put in it what you like, if its subsequently not acceptable for some purpose then sobeit.
From Art 103 the Law says:
(4) The information recorded in accordance with paragraph (3) must include—
(c) the capacity in which the holder acted in flight;
(e) information about any test or examination undertaken by the holder of the log whilst in
flight.
(c) the capacity in which the holder acted in flight;
(e) information about any test or examination undertaken by the holder of the log whilst in
flight.
It is a personal flying log book, you can put in it what you like, if its subsequently not acceptable for some purpose then sobeit.
In plain English; the only occasion that P1/s is logged is for multi crew aircraft operations 'some limited use on 'integrated courses'). A club checkout is not a requirement of the CAA but is simply the owner reasonably protecting their own interest. So, log P1 as Whopity makes clear. The reason you cannot find an official explanation is because what your instructor is telling you does not exist.
Are you acting as captain of the aircraft? Presumably not because the owner has required you to fly with an instructor before you can. In which case, you are PU/T. As has already been said, P1S can only be logged on successful completion of a test or AoC. I really don’t understand people’s reluctance to log PU/T.
The purpose of a club check is to protect the owners interest, to ensure that the pilot will return the aircraft in one piece. P1 signifies that they have demonstrated their fitness satisfactorily albeit observed. No training will have taken place, Pu/t is not appropriate. P1s is not logged following a successful test for single crew, it should be logged P1.
Suffice it to say old habits die hard.
Suffice it to say old habits die hard.
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Are you acting as captain of the aircraft? Presumably not because the owner has required you to fly with an instructor before you can. In which case, you are PU/T. As has already been said, P1S can only be logged on successful completion of a test or AoC. I really don’t understand people’s reluctance to log PU/T.
"P1s is not logged following a successful test for single crew, it should be logged P1."
Not correct. The examiner is commander and his name has to go in the pilot's log book in the "Captain" column. The pilot's "operating capacity" is P1u/s. Examiner then signs the entry.
Not correct. The examiner is commander and his name has to go in the pilot's log book in the "Captain" column. The pilot's "operating capacity" is P1u/s. Examiner then signs the entry.
"P1s is not logged following a successful test for single crew, it should be logged P1."
Not correct. The examiner is commander and his name has to go in the pilot's log book in the "Captain" column. The pilot's "operating capacity" is P1u/s. Examiner then signs the entry.
Not correct. The examiner is commander and his name has to go in the pilot's log book in the "Captain" column. The pilot's "operating capacity" is P1u/s. Examiner then signs the entry.
Just use the flight as a refresher training flight for SEP Class Rating revalidation purposes, ask the instructor to sign it as such in your log book and enter your flight time as PU/T.
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In the UK a successful Skill Test, Licence Proficiency Check, or Assessment of Competence is logged PICUS. The examiner is pilot in command and signs the entry in the remarks column.