SEP Revalidation by experience – P1/S time
 

Can the 6 hours PIC in the preceding 12 months before expiry date include P1/S time? Trying to find something on CAA website without much success. P1/S time was club checkouts. Thanks

How can club checkouts be logged as P1/S?

Fair question. I was sole manipulator of the controls and instructor countersigned my log book where I entered it as P1/s.

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Thanks Whopity. I’m still not clear on what a successful check out with an instructor should be booked as, even though instructors have signed it as P1/S. The closest I can find in FCL is 3.1 b) ref ‘holder of a pilot licence may log as pilot-in-command....flight time under supervision.....provided such flight time is countersigned by the instructor.’ Maybe I should have been booking as P1?

Put simply there is no official way to do it. It was quite common 25 years ago to do a club check and sign it as P1/S, nothing said that it had to be a licencing prof check, that came much later.
From Art 103 the Law says: So long as you have fulfilled the requirements of Art 103 you are OK
It is a personal flying log book, you can put in it what you like, if its subsequently not acceptable for some purpose then sobeit.

In plain English; the only occasion that P1/s is logged is for multi crew aircraft operations 'some limited use on 'integrated courses'). A club checkout is not a requirement of the CAA but is simply the owner reasonably protecting their own interest. So, log P1 as Whopity makes clear. The reason you cannot find an official explanation is because what your instructor is telling you does not exist.

Thanks all - saves me from looking for something that doesn’t exist......

Are you acting as captain of the aircraft? Presumably not because the owner has required you to fly with an instructor before you can. In which case, you are PU/T. As has already been said, P1S can only be logged on successful completion of a test or AoC. I really don’t understand people’s reluctance to log PU/T.

The purpose of a club check is to protect the owners interest, to ensure that the pilot will return the aircraft in one piece. P1 signifies that they have demonstrated their fitness satisfactorily albeit observed. No training will have taken place, Pu/t is not appropriate. P1s is not logged following a successful test for single crew, it should be logged P1.

Suffice it to say old habits die hard.

Not reluctant to log P/UT. Have looked back through my logbooks and there is a consistent theme across the several schools/clubs I have flown with. Where I have been trained on a new type, it has been P/UT; where I have had a currency check with an instructor (because I am outside the time limit set by the schools) in a type I am familiar with, it has been P1/s. In all instances, what I have booked has been at the direction of the instructor.

Only if the test is for a licence or rating, which a “club check out” is not.

Just use the flight as a refresher training flight for SEP Class Rating revalidation purposes, ask the instructor to sign it as such in your log book and enter your flight time as PU/T.

In the UK a successful Skill Test, Licence Proficiency Check, or Assessment of Competence is logged PICUS. The examiner is pilot in command and signs the entry in the remarks column. This may not be the case in other countries?

Whopity has already answered this point on the 23rd July contribution #4 (permalink)

Can anyone please tell me what form needs to be filled in for reval. by experience please, it seems 1119E is no more.

SRG3108: Application for the issue, renewal or revalidation of a rating

Completed online. There is no fee to be paid if your licence has been revalidated by an examiner (or instructor if appropiate), so no action being required of the authority.

But is a PPL SEP(Land) a rating?

Amazingly. I believe it is now form SRG1157

Search ‘ontrackaviation fcl945’ for excellent advice regarding how it’s filled in.