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Pre-course entry requirements for teaching for MEP / IR

Old 17th Nov 2019, 03:25
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Pre-course entry requirements for teaching for MEP / IR

Hi,

Iím unable to find the answer on the EASA website ( even with the help of google ) the requirements needed to be accepted onto a course that would give an instructor the privilege to teach for the MEP(L) class rating or the SPA MEIR rating.

Looking for a career change and believe instructors with these privileges are in demand at the moment.

These privileges would be added to my FI rating ( although itís rarely used at present ).

I believe a pre-requisite to be eligible to attend a course to learn to teach for the MEP(L) class rating is 30 hrs PIC on MEP(L) and for the MEIR is 200 hrs IFR. ( Would the hrs from MEP(L) class rating tests successfully passed count towards the 30hrs PIC needed? Do the 200 IFR hours needed as a prerequisite need to be on a MEP(L) or could IFR hrs on a SEP(L) count towards the total. Unfortunately I never logged IFR hrs, only simulated / actual instrument time and have no accurate way of precisely saying when the flights were operated under IFR 😕 ).
Is there any other pre-requisites that Iím missing?

And finally, as most students training for these ratings are aiming for a ďfrozen ATPLĒ and are on either a modular or an integrated course would an instructor need a minimum of 200 hrs instruction given to be able to instruct these students? ( I am aware that these are ratings and could be attached to either a PPL or a CPL and the 200 hrs instruction given applies when instructing students for CPL licence issue but donít these students just do a CPL LST and these ratings are issued at the same time of licence issued.

Thx,

VFR
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 05:13
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Originally Posted by VFR-Seek and Destroy View Post
Hi,

Iím unable to find the answer on the EASA website ( even with the help of google ) the requirements needed to be accepted onto a course that would give an instructor the privilege to teach for the MEP(L) class rating or the SPA MEIR rating.

Looking for a career change and believe instructors with these privileges are in demand at the moment.

These privileges would be added to my FI rating ( although itís rarely used at present ).

I believe a pre-requisite to be eligible to attend a course to learn to teach for the MEP(L) class rating is 30 hrs PIC on MEP(L) and for the MEIR is 200 hrs IFR. ( Would the hrs from MEP(L) class rating tests successfully passed count towards the 30hrs PIC needed? Do the 200 IFR hours needed as a prerequisite need to be on a MEP(L) or could IFR hrs on a SEP(L) count towards the total. Unfortunately I never logged IFR hrs, only simulated / actual instrument time and have no accurate way of precisely saying when the flights were operated under IFR 😕 ).
Is there any other pre-requisites that Iím missing?

And finally, as most students training for these ratings are aiming for a ďfrozen ATPLĒ and are on either a modular or an integrated course would an instructor need a minimum of 200 hrs instruction given to be able to instruct these students? ( I am aware that these are ratings and could be attached to either a PPL or a CPL and the 200 hrs instruction given applies when instructing students for CPL licence issue but donít these students just do a CPL LST and these ratings are issued at the same time of licence issued.

Thx,

VFR
As I understand it there are two separate courses: CRI (MEP) and IRI. You need 30hrs PIC MEP for the CRI course, and 200 hours IFR in any class/type for the IRI course (800 for someone who's not already an FI). It is possible to do either of these courses without being an FI but could only teach people who hold PPLs.

Those two courses should allow you to teach the MEP Class rating and the IR on modular courses. Holding a CPL will allow you to teach CPL, and holding an FI certificate will allow you to teach integrated students as well (since they don't hold any kind of licence until the very end, you need to be able to teach them PPL, CPL, CR and IR all at once).
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 13:14
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but donít these students just do a CPL LST and these ratings are issued at the same time of licence issued.
CPL is a licence not a rating and to teach for a CPL you require 200 hours instructional experience as a FI. There is no such thing as a frozen ATPL.
To teach at an Integrated school you need a CPL as the candidates are training for a CPL. You can train for the PPL elements only at an Integrated school with less than 200 hours.
Don't forget that to complete the IRI Course and teach for the IR you must also hold an IR
Accruing IFR time can be a problem, remember it is IFR time not IMC. To claim IFR you would have to have been qualified i.e. have held a valid IR or IMC rating and pre EASA all night time was IFR.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 14:25
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Thx Whopity.

I understand the points you make ( and Iím sure you understood I knew also ).
I currently have a valid UK issued Part FCL CPL aeroplane with SEP, MEP, SPA MEIR, FI rating attached to the licence although never flown professionally ( not strictly true but it keeps things more straightforward ).
I do currently have more than 200 hours given but only for ab-initio PPL instructional ( with a lot of it actually being EX 3 ).

For the 30 hrs PIC pre-course requirement can any of it be when a MEP class rating test ( initial issue, revalidation, renewal ) for successful test pass count to this 30 hr requirement?

30 hrs PIC on a multi is easily achievable in a short timeframe but the part where I will struggle is the IFR time as I never logged IFR time although a good portion of the training I did was under IFR. I could be conservative and go through my logbook and try to work out which flights Iím certain were under IFR but will probably still leave a significant shortfall from the 200.
I suppose I could take a vacation to a country where itís cheap to rent a single and just simple file and fly IFR in a SEP ( even if itís in clear blue skies ) for a month to get the IFR hrs.

Just trying to make myself more marketable to these ATOs needing these instructors by having all the necessary requirements met.

Thx,

VFR
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 17:33
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One solution is to do the IRI Course on the basis of using it to teach for the UK IMC rating, then you can build up the 200 hours under IFR and once complete you are already qualified.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 18:04
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One solution is to do the IRI Course on the basis of using it to teach for the UK IMC rating, then you can build up the 200 hours under IFR and once complete you are already qualified.
Thx.

Thatís probably what Iíll do.

Any idea if MEP successful test past hrs can count towards the 30 hrs PIC?
Cant find any official guidance.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 18:26
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If its entered as PICUS and countersigned it should be acceptable.
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