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Old 21st Dec 2018, 20:58
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So after filling in the necessary DTO paperwork, will the CAA also issue me with a set of exam papers?, used to have a set with my BX rating, not so with an FE rating, they belong to the ATO ,perhaps i need a GR rating? more £££
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 22:01
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I understand they've 60 days to accept a Declaration, which doesn't leave much time if they take the 60 days and then reject it - potentially we could be temporarily out of busines in April if there are snags.
You can commence operation the minute you make your declaration. They have 10 working days to acknowledge receipt. They can make observations but there is no process for rejecting it so there is no 60 days.
perhaps i need a GR rating? more £££
If you hold a FE Certificate they do not charge extra for a GR Certificate.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 08:10
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More questions.

Section 11.AERODROME PARTICULARS

"b) If aerodrome is unlicensed, confirmation that safety assessment required in Article 209, ANO 2016 has been conducted"

Now having read Article 209 of the ANO I have to say I can’t see where it says that a safety assessment has to be conducted. What it actually says is “satisfied on reasonable grounds that the aerodrome has adequate facilities for the safe conduct of such flights.”

Would anyone be kind enough to point me in the right direction of what I need to do to meet this requirement?
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 09:56
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State that the aerodrome is operated in accordance with the requirements and recomendations of CAP793.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 09:24
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satisfied on reasonable grounds that the aerodrome has adequate facilities for the safe conduct of such flights.
thatís your safety assessment. Typically itís easier if the arrodrome has once been licenced but I work through the same headings as for AIP - AD entries looking at runway size , obstacles in the approach, general state of the manoeuvring area and obstacles off the taxiways etc, signage, lighting, noise abatement and escape options in the climb out.

Bottom line is would you let your Ďmost preciousí be trained there?
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 06:40
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LAPL to PPL

Could someone help me with getting an approved training programme reference for the LAPL to PPL.

Thanks.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 09:23
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AFE; Pooleys; FFA
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 08:37
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Thanks....somewhat belated!
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 14:26
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FFA?

Flying farmers association?
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 13:13
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thanks for the information whoppity, i applied for the GR certificate, and they say they want £249, have things changed?
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 13:39
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Certainly it was the case that if you applied for the FE(PPL) and GR concurrently, only one charge was levied. Perhaps its worth contacting GA Dept who sponsor Stds Doc 11 and ask them.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 15:39
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Did i read somewhere that the CAA are meant to acknowledge receipt of your Declaration within 10 days?
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 20:01
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Yes and after 20 days contact them if nothng heard
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 20:51
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Never heard anything, they just put us on the approved list of training schools
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 08:06
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Regard that as contact. The regulation does not specify the method of contact.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 09:48
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I see there are only 127 declarations on the list, so far. I'd heard the CAA were expecting around 250. With only a couple of weeks to go, is there a thinning out of some redundant RTFs?

We paid £55. For 127 declarations, that's an income of £6,985. I can't believe that the CAA can come and physically inspect us all in a 3-year cycle for that, or even actually just process our initial declarations. So the questions are:
Will there be some hefty fees down the road?
If not, who is subsidising us DTOs?

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Old 27th Apr 2019, 08:19
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I see the CAA has issued SWA2019/087 regarding Acceptance of Training at an RTF after the 8th april, ( training ceases to be valid) surely, the clubs concerned would merely have to submit the declaration and carry on as if nothing happened, or do they have to wait for their approval number before than can start trading as a DTO.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 12:50
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We got our approval number by return of e-mail. I see there are currently 177 listed, against the CAA's expectation of about 250, so some must have fallen by the wayside. The whole thing was extensively advertised, so any RTF in current operation who hasn't registered has only themselves to blame.
The problem might come for students who are unaware of the requirement. We were careful to tell our students what was going on to assure them that their training remained valid and they weren't wasting money.
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has been inspected yet. The CAA are supposed to give 3 months notice and work to a 3-year cycle. That's just over 1 per week, not overly burdensome. I can't imagine it taking more than 1 day for a small outfit like ours.

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Old 28th Apr 2019, 09:20
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You are also missing some others that went from ATO to DTO so I think more than that didn't bother.
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 11:45
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Well Tim I included PPLH training in my ATO, given to The CAA after ATO inspection 7 weeks before the deadline, was told we will get round to looking at it !!! Just carrying on as normal.
So really not sure what is going on at The Belgrano
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