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Guidance on fees

Old 4th Jul 2017, 15:38
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Guidance on fees

Is there any official guidance on ppl test fees like amount and when to collect.

I have see a variety of practices re the later point, some collect before the test, others after the test and others are charged by the flying school.

Personally like with the CPL I would have thought collecting before the tests avoids the fee being withheld if the candidate has issues after the test.

Has the CAA issued anything?
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 17:04
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While I am not going to comment on how much to charge for a PPL flight test, I would say I really do not think their is any reason for the student to pay until after ther test. would you pay for a meal, aircraft hire or building work upfront. I have never had issues of non payment.
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 17:22
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The CAA's guidance has always been to collect fees in advance however; I note that the last 2 editions of the FEH only refer to tests where a fee is due to the CAA. I think most Examiners collect it post flight.

Guidance on test fees might be regarded as a cartel, so there is none. You can start with the published CAA fee and adjust accordingly. About 160-180 for a PPL tests seems to be the norm.
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Old 4th Jul 2017, 19:44
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No big secret examiners round these parts charge PPL skill test 150, collected after test. Partial pass retake failed section, free. Complete retest I would advise candidate to go another examiner.
But needs to go up having been told what R/T examiners are charging for a bit of ground school and test.
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 23:13
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I recently renewed my SEP rating & obtained an IRR, I then did a military conversion QFI to FI with aerobatic instructor & sent it all off to the CAA to be added to my ATPL. I was told at the flying club I did the FI with that I would have to pay the fee for the highest qualification, the 124 to add the FI, but I've since had an email saying that I owe them for the SEP rating, IRR issue, aerobatic rating, aerobatic instruction privilege, FI issue & even a 91 fee to remove the restriction on my FI even though this is an initial issue (as an experienced military QFI I meet the requirements for an unrestricted instructor​​​​​).

The total cost of all that is 645! This is serious money when I will be instructing at a flying club for 20/hr. Is their policy really to charge for every component even though it's only a few clicks of a mouse? Has anyone had a similar experience?
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Old 26th Dec 2018, 09:03
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I was told at the flying club I did the FI with that I would have to pay the fee for the highest qualification,
This is applicable if you hold a number of Examiner Certificates, there has never been any such concession for ratings or certificates added to a licence. Any rating added to a licence is charged at the rate stated in the current Scheme of Charges 124 for the FI. If it is issued unrestricted they cannot charge a variation fee for removal of a non existent restriction. There is no additional charge listed for including Aerobatics. Was the SEP in the front of your licence? if not they will charge to add it and also to add the IRR.

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Old 27th Dec 2018, 13:23
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So it sounds like I was given incorrect information, I will need to pay for the SEP, FI, IRR & aerobatic rating, but as you say I can't find a charge to add aerobatic instructor to the FI on top of the rating & billing me for the removal of a restriction that was never applied to my licence is positively 'Dick Turpin'. Perhaps I should go for a restricted FI & as soon as I receive it apply to have the restriction removed - the same cost to me but it will at least generate an admin burden for the CAA & they'll have to print a new licence?!
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 16:47
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But needs to go up having been told what R/T examiners are charging for a bit of ground school and test.
BEB,
I'm charging 50 for ground school and test, additional 20 for the Com written if they haven't already done it (usually the microlight lot). My justification for the charge is
a) loss for flying revenue for a morning (which is what it usually winds up taking)
b) recovery of Examiner fee from CAA.

It's very rare for a candidate to present capable of doing the test straight off - I'm not in the habit of testing people I know are going to fail and I do try to be reasonably straight with the test. I'm satisfied when people
a) say they've learned a lot by doing the test and
b) I hear them on the radio subsequently being a lot more professional

TOO
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 17:05
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I'm charging 50 for ground school and test,
Very reasonable however; if you had to buy a set of new test equipment, a local school was recently quoted 2000, you would be well and truly out of pocket.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 19:34
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Originally Posted by TheOddOne View Post
BEB,
I'm charging 50 for ground school and test, additional 20 for the Com written if they haven't already done it (usually the microlight lot). My justification for the charge is
a) loss for flying revenue for a morning (which is what it usually winds up taking)
b) recovery of Examiner fee from CAA.

It's very rare for a candidate to present capable of doing the test straight off - I'm not in the habit of testing people I know are going to fail and I do try to be reasonably straight with the test. I'm satisfied when people
a) say they've learned a lot by doing the test and
b) I hear them on the radio subsequently being a lot more professional

TOO
Some of my students charged 150-200 for a some ground school and test. Four in a group, not bad for a days work. That's more than i pay myself for a months work as cfi of my own school. I'm in the wrong job. And how can test equipment cost 2k ?
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 11:02
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And how can test equipment cost 2k ?
If you can find a cheaper quote please let us know. Electronic engineers do not work for nothing and as the CAA has terminated the RANT contract which needed the Examiner to provide two computers anyway, there is a very limited source of supply.
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