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Mickey Kaye, is about bang on. I am looking for pilots with current IR, plenty of real touring experience across Europe and preferably competent tailwheel skills.
The CV's I get are from guys who have just ticked the boxes to CPL/IR ME and have no experience. A few hours on the burger run and the repeated routes for CPL and IR training do not cut the mustard when we are looking to send someone solo to the back of beyond in very expensive turbines.
It costs us £20k to train a pilot to basic competence. We need people who can learn to fly what are quite challenging aircraft in the minimum time.
The CV's I get are from guys who have just ticked the boxes to CPL/IR ME and have no experience. A few hours on the burger run and the repeated routes for CPL and IR training do not cut the mustard when we are looking to send someone solo to the back of beyond in very expensive turbines.
It costs us £20k to train a pilot to basic competence. We need people who can learn to fly what are quite challenging aircraft in the minimum time.
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I operate a PPL school at Cumbernauld and PPL + Commercial training at Perth.
We have had a steady stream of instructors moving on to airline jobs with several different companies who see some benefit in the experience gained as an FI.
I personally think there is currently a SHORTAGE of good instructors.
While it is obviously not the most rewarding occupation for a commercial pilot i think it is certainly a sensible step in the current market - Scotland anyway!
Allan
We have had a steady stream of instructors moving on to airline jobs with several different companies who see some benefit in the experience gained as an FI.
I personally think there is currently a SHORTAGE of good instructors.
While it is obviously not the most rewarding occupation for a commercial pilot i think it is certainly a sensible step in the current market - Scotland anyway!
Allan
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Thanks for the info guys. What you say makes sense and has been said before! I see what your saying Mickey but getting that experience in a timely manor is very hard without being a lottery winner.
Bose-x your correct about the CPL/IR tick boxes, the course teaches you to pass an exam...as you say not much use when your in Europe on your own.
Bose-x your correct about the CPL/IR tick boxes, the course teaches you to pass an exam...as you say not much use when your in Europe on your own.
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Are there still instructors looking for work
Bose-x,
Are you still getting lots of FI's looking for work? If so where are you advertising? We have another few instructors moving onto the airlines so we will be looking again.
Allan
Are you still getting lots of FI's looking for work? If so where are you advertising? We have another few instructors moving onto the airlines so we will be looking again.
Allan
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Thanks for the advice. So now back to square one. How can a new graduate cadet get his hours? I'm thinking looking for glider-towing and parachute pilot. Do you have any contacts in UK?I can work for free.
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Look Shirazmerlot. I have had a gutsful of people like you coming to my country and stealing my jobs.
Thanks for the advice. So now back to square one. How can a new graduate cadet get his hours? I'm thinking looking for glider-towing and parachute pilot. Do you have any contacts in UK?I can work for free.
I am afraid the 'rot' is already set-in.... He's not the first and won't be the last to work for free, indeed lots of 'tugging' and some 'dropping' is "will fly for food".
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While I understand why non-profit volunteer/club member run gliding clubs don't pay part time club member tow pilots, places like Lasham should. Especially when they use full time gliding instructors, who'd not be there (at least nowhere near as much) otherwise.
Skydiving, well, it's supply/demand for the logbook time for most and since they're commercial ops, they should pay to certain degree.
I can understand bose-x. Too many CPL/IR grads in the UK aim for airlines and do FI rating as a 'necessary evil'. Even if they do fancy instructing, they're not likely to have tailwheel, gliding, aeros etc experience.
flystrathclyde,
I too noticed the trend or rather, reluctance of South England/London area folks going to fly in more challenging weather and terrain of Scotland. So while there's saturation of unemployed fresh-ish CPL and FI holders, they don't seem to fancy moving as much as one'd expect.
I miss my time in Edinburgh. Going up to Inverness for the first time is an experience (even on ground). I'm yet to go to some gliding club and fly in wave at your end.
Skydiving, well, it's supply/demand for the logbook time for most and since they're commercial ops, they should pay to certain degree.
I can understand bose-x. Too many CPL/IR grads in the UK aim for airlines and do FI rating as a 'necessary evil'. Even if they do fancy instructing, they're not likely to have tailwheel, gliding, aeros etc experience.
flystrathclyde,
I too noticed the trend or rather, reluctance of South England/London area folks going to fly in more challenging weather and terrain of Scotland. So while there's saturation of unemployed fresh-ish CPL and FI holders, they don't seem to fancy moving as much as one'd expect.
I miss my time in Edinburgh. Going up to Inverness for the first time is an experience (even on ground). I'm yet to go to some gliding club and fly in wave at your end.
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MartinCh,
We have a steady stream of instructors progressing to Loganair (another this week), AirCharterScotland, etc.
I think some decent flying in Scotland is beneficial to the CV!
We now have a link on our website
Flight Training Organisation (acsflighttraining.co.uk)
for instructors; maybe we might get some more enquiries.
Allan
We have a steady stream of instructors progressing to Loganair (another this week), AirCharterScotland, etc.
I think some decent flying in Scotland is beneficial to the CV!
We now have a link on our website
Flight Training Organisation (acsflighttraining.co.uk)
for instructors; maybe we might get some more enquiries.
Allan
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Skydiving, well, it's supply/demand for the logbook time for most and since they're commercial ops, they should pay to certain degree.
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bose-x,
Not talking about your ops, flying bigger stuff. I guess you'd have no drops if you expected more experienced pilots to fly for the fun of it only.
But look at the 182 and 206 'gigs' and how much those pay, or rather not. Not every DZ got Caravan and Twin Otter.
flystrathclyde,
you forgot F in the link. Looked at your website. I don't see any tailwheel aircraft in your fleet. Oh well, I guess it's case of customer demand. It's definitely a teaser for some, to mention the FIs getting onto Twin Otters etc :-) More fun than button pushing jets, if it's not with rotors or glider, for me.
Not talking about your ops, flying bigger stuff. I guess you'd have no drops if you expected more experienced pilots to fly for the fun of it only.
But look at the 182 and 206 'gigs' and how much those pay, or rather not. Not every DZ got Caravan and Twin Otter.
flystrathclyde,
you forgot F in the link. Looked at your website. I don't see any tailwheel aircraft in your fleet. Oh well, I guess it's case of customer demand. It's definitely a teaser for some, to mention the FIs getting onto Twin Otters etc :-) More fun than button pushing jets, if it's not with rotors or glider, for me.
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MartinCh and others , thanks!
Thank you for spotting the missing 'f'; I have now corrected this.
One of our members does have a new Super Decathlon which is available for tail wheel and aerobatic with us. I will try to get it added to our website. It is based at our Perth site which is ideal with the grass runway.
The reality of progress in Scotland is real; Loganair today were chasing us for additional info for 2 recent recruits regarding their BAA passes. I guess the reputation of our weather and terrain provides good experience which is appreciated.
Allan
One of our members does have a new Super Decathlon which is available for tail wheel and aerobatic with us. I will try to get it added to our website. It is based at our Perth site which is ideal with the grass runway.
The reality of progress in Scotland is real; Loganair today were chasing us for additional info for 2 recent recruits regarding their BAA passes. I guess the reputation of our weather and terrain provides good experience which is appreciated.
Allan
