First Solo De-brief, Formal or Informal, Where, When?
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Yes a debrief after the first solo is mandatory, it consists of " You did it!!!!! "
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If the flight is good with a couple of mistakes but the pilot is still elated as to be expected, you'll destroy the experience and their newly gained confidence.
then you drag them into a stuffy little room and pick them up on all the things they could have done better
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Stevie Wonder could tell you that, better progress is made with most aspects of the course with instuction not commentary.
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if the student wants to ask a question about what they did that is fine, then you advise.
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Are you noticing how little support for your views you are getting here?
I'm desperately trying to keep this purely on a professional basis, but so far you still haven't laid out why your method is better than anyone elses. You've just made short, one line, narky replies to people who don't agree.
Lay your case out and stand by your convictions. Or simply clarify any misunderstanding I or anyothers might have for your viewpoint.
I'm desperately trying to keep this purely on a professional basis, but so far you still haven't laid out why your method is better than anyone elses. You've just made short, one line, narky replies to people who don't agree.
Lay your case out and stand by your convictions. Or simply clarify any misunderstanding I or anyothers might have for your viewpoint.
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I am commenting from experience as a flying instructor who has learned to teach, not be a robot.
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I don't think you are quite getting it.
Chuck is saying that someone who simply follows the text book and doesn't actually do any teaching, just lecturing, is a poor FI.
You are saying that an FI who doesn't do any teaching, just critcising is also poor.
You're both correct, but I think you are misunderstanding what Chuck is actually saying.
Slavish devotion to a system, is poor teaching. Any teacher who has even a modicum of talent knows that sometimes you have to think on your feet a bit and do things differently to what the manual says. Teaching people is not like following a checklist. It is a good idea to have a checklist to ensure that nothing gets missed, but sometimes the order of that checklist can be adjusted.
Chuck is saying that someone who simply follows the text book and doesn't actually do any teaching, just lecturing, is a poor FI.
You are saying that an FI who doesn't do any teaching, just critcising is also poor.
You're both correct, but I think you are misunderstanding what Chuck is actually saying.
Slavish devotion to a system, is poor teaching. Any teacher who has even a modicum of talent knows that sometimes you have to think on your feet a bit and do things differently to what the manual says. Teaching people is not like following a checklist. It is a good idea to have a checklist to ensure that nothing gets missed, but sometimes the order of that checklist can be adjusted.
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I am and it makes the debate so much more interesting but you see the difference between you and me is that I know through many years of managerial and instructional experience that weak people always like everyone around them to agree with them!
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SAS i am getting it and I agree with what you say-Instructing is a mixture of many skills-there needs to be formailty and informality but rule books are neccesary in all walks of life. It's when and how you interpret the rules that decides if you are a pain in the arse or a reasonable instructor.
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You just can't stop yourself making the little barbs can you...
I don't mind criticism, the more the better!
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Pull what, from reading your posts here I can see a very close resemblance between you and DFC.
We are galaxies apart in our teaching methods.
I guess that is fair though as we all have our own methods and in the final analysis our success or lack thereof as teachers will be determined by how much money we can command as teachers.
If you as a teacher are not worth top pay you will just be another cookie cutter instructor in the industry scraping the bottom of the barrel for enough money to exist on.
I was never short of clients willing to pay top dollar to learn.
We are galaxies apart in our teaching methods.
I guess that is fair though as we all have our own methods and in the final analysis our success or lack thereof as teachers will be determined by how much money we can command as teachers.
If you as a teacher are not worth top pay you will just be another cookie cutter instructor in the industry scraping the bottom of the barrel for enough money to exist on.
I am and it makes the debate so much more interesting but you see the difference between you and me is that I know through many years of managerial and instructional experience that weak people always like everyone around them to agree with them!
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Chuck-- I respect your experience, knowledge and opinion and everyone else's, no matter who they are, thats why I havnt told the one guy I was instructing before he was born or mentioned to another, " what would you know about instructing you have only just gone first solo?"
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Oh and about DFC, I like the way he sticks to his guns and never trys to insult anybody, yet many try to insult him. It is a shame that many on here seem to think that having a different opinion means you dislike someone or have to feel the need to try and rubbish them. Surely as professional instructors dealing with disimilar views is basic human factors that should be very simple to deal with?
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That's one way to kill off any last vestige of respect. "I was teaching before you were born." Uh huh, that's nice for you.
In many cases I will respect that, certainly in Chuck's case and others I know with whom I've taught alongside, but despite my age, I'm not exactly a newbie in this business, however, why not give us the benefit of your experience and put us youngsters in our place?
Whilst I often don't agree with DFC, at least he explains why he holds the views he does and I respect that. He goes into detail and puts a case forward. Maybe you'd like to follow his example?
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I I'm not exactly a newbie in this business, however, why not give us the benefit of your experience and put us youngsters in our place?
please read this line again
Chuck-- I respect your experience, knowledge and opinion and everyone else's, no matter who they are,
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Most people will have lost the will to live after reading this far into this thread, but I'll carry on regardless, even though I'm bored now.
I understand that you do a debrief after a first solo, what I don't understand is why. Why is doing a formal, sit down debrief where you start to explain the intricacies of the techlog and command decision making (as mentioned by yourself in the other thread) better than what we are all describing here, where the debrief consists of;
"How did that go?"
"Great!"
"Any problems you want to talk about?"
"No"
"I didn't notice anything, let's go and celebrate."
All done as you walk back to the clubhouse.
I then get them to fill in the techlog (which I've explained in a proper brief previously), hand them their certificate, take a picture to go on the wall/website and in some places hand them a cheap bottle of fizz as a "well done."
If you've got more flying to do yourself, then you do that, if not you drag them for a celebratory pint (Usually an orange juice and lemonade for me as I'm driving home) and you have a chat about everything, usually involving a blow by blow account of the flight.
That's what I do and I've already said why I follow this method. So, what's your method and why do you follow it?
I understand that you do a debrief after a first solo, what I don't understand is why. Why is doing a formal, sit down debrief where you start to explain the intricacies of the techlog and command decision making (as mentioned by yourself in the other thread) better than what we are all describing here, where the debrief consists of;
"How did that go?"
"Great!"
"Any problems you want to talk about?"
"No"
"I didn't notice anything, let's go and celebrate."
All done as you walk back to the clubhouse.
I then get them to fill in the techlog (which I've explained in a proper brief previously), hand them their certificate, take a picture to go on the wall/website and in some places hand them a cheap bottle of fizz as a "well done."
If you've got more flying to do yourself, then you do that, if not you drag them for a celebratory pint (Usually an orange juice and lemonade for me as I'm driving home) and you have a chat about everything, usually involving a blow by blow account of the flight.
That's what I do and I've already said why I follow this method. So, what's your method and why do you follow it?
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every post I make is made with the benefit of my experience (obviously)
I notice in another thread you claim to be a FIC instructor what ever that is. If you actually had anything to do with FIC's you would know the term is FII and FIE for the examiner.
If you were such an animal the questions I posed earlier on would be like water off a ducks back. A copy and paste job from your course notes.
If you are a FII could you please explain the process in becoming a FII?
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