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Old 15th May 2009, 06:35
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Check rides

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I'm new to instruction and have been asked to do a check ride for someone in a group owned aircraft. I heard that there was a document on the CAA website that detailed what should be covered in a check ride. Anyone know its where abouts?

If not, then this is what I planned to cover:

General handling, stalls in a variety of configs, a PFL then back for a few circuits - standard / flapless / glide approach and EFATO. Also, ask a few questions about the a/c systems & emergency procedures.

Any thoughts?!
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I think the document you are looking for is probably standards 19 -downloadable from the CAA website.

Make sure that it's just the 'hour with' and not a renewal. You can't do the latter unless you hold examiner status.

Presuming that you are unrestricted or working under the supervision of an authorised person. A newly minted FI(R) has less privilages in this respect than a newly minted CRI.
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Old 15th May 2009, 06:53
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There was an AIC a number of years ago, but despite the fact that industry requested it, it was allowed to expire, as it was considered by many to be too prescriptive. Most instructors follow the content of the licensing proficiency check which can be found here:http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/forsrg1157.pdf
What you describe sounds about right however I would include recognition and recovery from a spiral dive.
DD has a valid point about supervision.
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Originally Posted by Duchess_Driver
Presuming that you are unrestricted or working under the supervision of an authorised person. A newly minted FI(R) has less privilages in this respect than a newly minted CRI.
How so? As far as I was aware with an FI rating you essentially had a CRI for SEP, but could also teach ab initio (which a CRI can't). While restricted you can't send people on their first solo or first solo cross countries, but again this is at ab initio level.

I understood that there was no problem doing group checkouts or instructor "hour with" flights for qualified pilots.
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See discussion.....

http://www.pprune.org/flying-instruc...ml#post4697650
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Sherig, Do you mean a Check Ride or the one hour instructional flight required by JAR?

Many groups have a recency requirement similar to most flying clubs and require that any group member who has not flown for a specified period must have a Check Ride with an instructor. If this is the case then it is a matter of judgement. For instance if the group has a 28 day recency requirement and you are conducting a Check Ride on someone who has not flown for 29 days then two or three circuits could be all that is necessary, however if they have not flown for a number of months then the Check Ride should be more comprehensive.

If you are referring to the one hour instructional flight then I think that your suggestion about content is a good starting point. Before conducting the one hour instructional flight I always ask the pilot if there is anything that they would like included within the flight. Frequently they will offer suggestions of something to include "because I have not done any of those in a long time". In this case I would build their suggestion into the basic structure which you suggested. Since it is an instructional flight you may even teach them something new - for instance spin recovery if the aircraft is spinable.

Remember that the aim of the flight is to ensure that by the end of the flight they are safe and competent. It is not a test, so if for instance they initially "screw up" steep turns but after some instruction conduct them safely then that is totally acceptable.
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I understood that there was no problem doing group checkouts or instructor "hour with" flights for qualified pilots
Any instruction given by a Restricted FI must be Supervised!

Restrictions - restricted period
(1) Until the holder of a flight instructor rating (aeroplane) has completed at least 100hours flight instruction and, in addition, has supervised at least 25 solo flights by students, the privileges of the rating are restricted.

Restrictions - restricted privileges
(1) The privileges will be restricted to carrying out under the supervision of the holder of a flight instructor rating (aeroplane) approved for this purpose:
(a) flight instruction for the issue of the Private Pilot Licence (Aeroplane) or those parts of integrated courses at Private Pilot Licence (Aeroplane) level and class and type ratings for single-engine aeroplanes, excluding approval of first solo flights by day or by night and first solo cross country flights by day or by night; and...
As far as I was aware with an FI rating you essentially had a CRI for SEP
Thats is exactly what it said in JAR-FCL1 but it was removed by AL1 or 2.
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But a group checkout isn't "flight instruction for the issue of the Private Pilot Licence (Aeroplane) or those parts of integrated courses at Private Pilot Licence (Aeroplane) level and class and type ratings for single-engine aeroplanes". Neither is the hour with an instructor, as again you are not training for the issue of anything - PPL or class rating or anything else.

So I'm pretty sure you don't need supervision - I even clarified this with my FIC Instructor. Anyway, how is supervision defined in the first place?
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Hi Jonathan,

Supervision is covered in a TrainingComm from the CAA Chief Flight Examiner:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/trainingcom%201-2007.pdf

It's in section one of that but please rest assured it is typical of many "grey" areas in aviation and trainingcomms aren't prescriptive (in contrast to e.g. an AIC or the ANO) but offer guidance to help and protect 1. you as an unrestricted instructor and 2. any student or outfit you are instructing with.

As for the other issue of the check-ride...pass...I was under the impression for any work as an FI an unrestricted FI needed to be supervised but have nothing to back that up other than feeling more comfortable with it in line with all the other work as an FI(R) - e.g. ab-initio and rating instruction.

Hope at least the supervision bit helps!
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If you are exercising the privileges of your rating then its flight instruction for which you need to be supervised in accordance with Schedule 8 if you are Restricted. If its not Instruction, then the DUAL flight really won't count because you are not acting as a JAA qualified Instructor. Checkouts could technically be conducted by a non instructor and have no status but what do you log? Can't be instruction!
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