SEP Renewal After 24 months.

[wrathchild666]

Would I be correct in saying that in order to renew my SEP rating, 2 years after obtaining my PPL initially I'd need to do the following?:

1. In the 3 months prior to the expiry of my SEP rating, take a proficiency check with an examiner who will then sign me off as competent, this is then valid for a further 24 months.

OR

2. In the second year after gaining my license/SEP rating, ensure I have completed 12 hours including 6 P1, 12 take-offs and landings. 1 hour (all at once, not cumulative) with an instructor. I would then qualify for a revalidation signature, again valid for 24 months.

As I've already fulfilled the requirements for the second method, all I really need is an examiners signature, after he's obviously cross-checked my log with the hours I've flown with my club?

[nick14]

As long as you are inside the 24 month period sounds like all you need is a signature from the examiner.

nick

[SkyCamMK]

SEP Renewal

The FI has signed the flight off in your log book to show its validity for the purpose I trust?

Some examiners charge for signatures - have you not got a friendly CFI?

[Coffin Corner]

To revalidate by experience you need


12hrs in the previous 12 months including 12 take offs & landings & 6hrs PIC.
1hr dual with an instructor (not examiner).

Once done you need to get your license signed by a suitable instructor and send the form to the CAA.

So many people over complicate this, it really is that simple.

[Whopity]

Once done you need to get your license signed by a suitable instructor and send the form to the CAA.

And a Suitable Instructor is called an EXAMINER

So many people over complicate this, it really is that simple.

Instructors are not authorised to sign licences! Maybe its different on Mars!

[Airbus Girl]

Does the 1 hour flight with an instructor HAVE to be in one go? Or can you do 2 x 1/2 hours with same instructor?

[coodem]

Its got to be in 1 hit Im afraid. If you did an IMC, that could count as well

[Whopity]

But if you have a NPPL then the 1 hour for SSEA can be split into 60 - 1 minute flights!

[wrathchild666]

I'm inclined to agree with Coffin Corner (must be a metal fan lol) overall, but with Whopity's advice on it having to be an examiner who produces the signature for my license/CAA form. I actually have to do 61/2 hours between now and January 16th (latest), and unfortunately the two flights I did in the summer with an instructor for differences training on the C172 were just shy of an hour, so I'll have to do a full hour with an instructor
(in one go), plus the remaining hours solo.

Cheers folks.

[r44flyer]

Coffin Corner is correct, and Whopity is correct in adding that an examiner must sign your logbook.

I've heard of some examiners requiring a flight with them before they will sign you off, but there is no requirement for this.

[BEagle]

Coffin Corner is correct, and Whopity is correct in adding that an examiner must sign your logbook.

No, the FI who conducts the 1 hour training flight signes the logbook entry for that flight, the Examiner signs the Ratings-Certificate of Revalidation page in the licence.

The only time an Examiner would sign a log book would be if the revalidation was achieved by LPC.

Remember also that you cannot renew by experience, only by LST with an Examiner who would also sign the log book entry.

[Lister Noble]

It can be simple!

I had all the relevant hours etc,had a one hour flight with the CFI who is also an examiner.
He signed my log book,did the relevant paperwork and sent it off to the CAA.
No charge apart from the flight,which I did in a club craft.
Lister

[johnriketes]

Sorry for the thread drift

Well I will be retiring from commercial flying soon and I am threatening to get back into a SE A/C soon after that, all being well in the UK. I cant quiet remember when I flew a SE, or light A/C for that matter last, without reference to my logbook but must be about 20 years ago.

What would I have to do to fly a SE privately again? I know I will require heaps of dual re training, (a frightening prospect and experience for all concerned!) I understand I don't even have the privileges of a ppl now. What do I need to do for a re issue of a PPL? Skills test, etc.? I am UK licensed.

Thanks.

[Keygrip]

Coffin - I would go and hide if I were you.

What qualification do you think the guy at your club marks exam papers with?

You know the saying "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" (or words to that effect).

It appears that is what you may have - "a little knowledge".

[julian_storey]

What would I have to do to fly a SE privately again? I know I will require heaps of dual re training, (a frightening prospect and experience for all concerned!) I understand I don't even have the privileges of a ppl now. What do I need to do for a re issue of a PPL? Skills test, etc.? I am UK licensed.

John,

You still have a UK licence, so I'm guessing that you just need to renew your Single Engine Piston (Land) class rating.

I'd imagine that this would involve training sufficient to pass a SEP (Land) skills test.

There are people on here better qualified than me to advise, so someone will undoubtedly correct me if I'm wrong :-)

Julian

[Coffin Corner]

Keygrip - bothered, his post was uncalled for.

I stated they must have their paper signed by a "suitable" instructor, if an examiner isn't an instructor then how did he/she get into that position in the first place?
And as your so full of knowledge that us mere mortals could only dream of perhaps you could enlighten me as to how this particular chap signs licenses off? In my "limited" knowledge an examiner in the flying fraternity is someone who conducts tests, i.e flight tests, GSTs etc etc, now if there is such thing as a "ground examiner" or the like then perhaps you would care to share it so that us less fortunate people with less gray matter than yourself can understand?

Cheers

[r44flyer]

No, the FI who conducts the 1 hour training flight signes the logbook entry for that flight, the Examiner signs the Ratings-Certificate of Revalidation page in the licence.

Yes, that's what I meant. The point I was getting at was that there's no need to do a flight with an instructor and then another flight with an examiner before he will gladly give you a scribble. I have heard of examiners refusing to put their name to it if they haven't flown with you personally, despite the fact that the CAA don't require that they do.

[julian_storey]

I have heard of examiners refusing to put their name to it if they haven't flown with you personally, despite the fact that the CAA don't require that they do.

Then find another examiner who will!!

If you are renewing your SEP (Land) class rating on the basis of experience, the examiners job is simply to look at your log book and verify that you have done enough flying in the last 12 months (including the hour with an instructor) to meet the requirements.

[Keygrip]

Coffin - one word of notice.

Unless you quit with the attitude - you *WILL* be having a few days off to reflect and maybe do some research.

Without the first hand knowledge of "emotion" you have no idea whether the message from Whopity was "an outburst" or "emphasis".

What we do know, first hand, is that YOU ARE WRONG! So cut the attitude.

[madlandrover]

So where does this so called other examiner fit in to this?

Probably by putting his licence number in the following format when marking exams or signing SEP revalidations: UK/GR000000X/A - the GR stands for GRound examiner. Quiet word of advice: you're not being jumped on for being wrong. You're being jumped on for propagating something that's wrong and then not having the grace to accept correction by suitably qualified people. We all make mistakes, especially in flying. It's a big learning process!