Ops Pay.......
 

What is the industry standard pay for Ops, it seems to be so varied across the field from what I can find out 21K seems the norm. Does being licensed result in a bigger pay packet.

No-one can work in ops (or crewing) for the money......
Don't know anyone who gets more with a licence either.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Especially to all the ops and crewing people who have managed to get through this stretch of mega wx - its been fun - not.

2001 - we are supposed to be living on the moon - yet we cannot successfully heat de-ice fluid.

darktan
Re ops - no licences required uk - just the desire to work in an environment with lots of soft and smelly stuff flying around (much of which sticks).
I'm now looking at rejoining ops or dispatch - have found huge geographical pay differentials - THAT'S the norm.
Happy New Year to all - off to the pub now.
Giz a job.

21k!?! i need to be promoted!

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21k are you serious, for that I'd need a rise of 14k !!!

It's the 21k that's keeping me at Looton,if I could get a job back oop north on't same rate I'd move back up there tomorrow...

C y'all

VP8

I get 20k a year plus 1k for my FAA

VP8 - now it's not that bad. What would you rather be, just another face in the crowd? http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/owen/council.gif or joker in the pack http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/owen/jester.gif

Now don't be using all the internet time tonight http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net5/azzangel.gif Don't want RS being upset in the morning.

DHL dispatch CPH hub. DKK 320.000 pa + pension. Approx UKP 30K, but tax in the 55 - 60 % bracket.

Jesus...Someone out there is on 7K a year.

As an ex-dispatcher you have my total sympathy. Personally I wouldn't get out of bed for that and I don't see why you should either.

If anyone is looking to get out of Dispatch/Crewing/Ops and earn some real money ( Circa. £29K + performance bonus' ) selling FltOps related IT systems, email your CV.

I'm looking for about 5 years experience, good industry knowledge and self motivated. London area or wherever you are now, home based if absolutely neccessary. Sales area Scandinavia to Cape Town and Sri Lanka to Canary Islands so plenty of opportunty to travel.

All CV's handled with strictest confidence.

Whooaahh!!!

Whooaahhhh,

I have to get out of bed whatever the time of night whenever a job comes in.

Also on call 24/7.

29k sounds very tempting.

where i work theres only two of use running ops at any 1 time and i'm on 9500 per year as a d.o.
is this good or crap pay because its my first job in aviation so i'm not sure how to compare!

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Trust me...9.5K is crap for a DO.

Following my previous post I expected to be flooded with CV's, but only 4 so far!!

The last time we publicly advertised we got over 60 applicants for 1 vacancy, mine!!! So far these vacancies have only been posted here in PPRuNe so come on guy's...£29K is not to be sniffed at. The performance bonus is another 35% or £10,150K and, Oh, did I mention the Performance Related Shares issue as well?

Think about it, we will pay you to trawl the patch for a couple of years..introducing yourself to as many Ops Managers as you can get appointments with. How many prospective future employers already know your face??

Whooaahh!!!

Wooaahh,

At work at the moment, but rest assured, once I get home my C.V will be winging it's way down the copper wire to you.

Whilst on the subject £23-26,000 depending on allowances etc.

Sonic

Not even our Ops Assistants are that low paid.

Keep Smilin

Why do we do it?
It can't be for the money, surely.
Take my case.
April 2000 relocated to SW England - left VS traffic LHR c20K.
No aviation jobs immediately available down here - walked straight into a rail company
as a branch-line conductor, no rail experience - 2 months training - c17K plus a little commission. Virgin and First GW paying c19.5k plus comm for 'train managers' (CSDs or IFSs of rail - conductor). Branch drivers c23.5K main-line intercity c29-32k (again no rail exp necessary - one year training).
Why do I still apply for aviation jobs? Beacause I'm barkin' f**kin' mad that's why.
It's not the money - it's in the blood. Would I work in aviation for 9-12K? No.
That is exploitation and I am now only too well aware of companies paying this sort of money. Why am I telling you this? I don't know - perhaps to advise the younger types among you that unless you're going flying, aviation is maybe not a good career move. Look elsewhere in the real world and
GIVE THE SAD OLD BAS**RDS SUCH AS MYSELF MORE OF A CHANCE!
Now GIZ A JOB!

Offload !

Very amused by your post and slightly saddened to hear this industry has fallen so far behind in terms of pay. I think we've all seen this happening for a long time now but have chosen to ignore it and hope for the best..but I have to ask you one question..are the staff travel perks and uniforms any better ?!?

Luv of the job..I think so cause it cant be much else

Well, you'll never beat the VS staff travel package (7 free sub-load returns VS network after 6 months service) but hey, now I get a maroon coloured blazer (never worn) and I can travel anywhere in the SW and Wales in a stinking, filthy cattle truck for free.
But just give me one 100% subload after 12 months and I'll be perfectly happy (of even just unlimited 90%).
I deal quite well with the stress of trying to get on a heavily oversold LAX in summer time. (more tips - always check booked loads and make sure you know someone who knows someone)

Maroon coloured blazers and the chance to visit Wales on a regular basis, no doubt with crap overpriced coffe !! I can see why you left VS.

It does tend to p**s me off slightly at the lack of financial incentives payed out these days compared to similar roles elsewhere, but then again, you hit the nail mentioning heavily subsidised flights as a major perk which, personally, I use to the absolute full. It's not all bad.........

One day I'll get a proper job, but, until then, I'm off to plan my next holiday !!

Stirling,

Good to see that someone else uses their travel concessions to the utmost. I have to admit that this is one reason to stay in this job. If it wasn't for having the opportunity I would have never been able to visit all the different parts of the world and be stuck days on end waiting for a spare seat.

You must be being paid top wack.

Top Wack...this is the Ops forum, right??

Sadly not as much as I feel the job deserves sometimes - anyone heard that before ?!

Just careful planning and lots of o/t I'm afraid Dakar

Bloody Hell am I the worst paid out there !!!!

I'm on LESS than 7k !

From what I a reading Operations seems to be the most screwed up trade to be in with no structure or control, yet the pilots we spend our lives controlling have got more procedures and standardisation to look after them and their career’s than you can shake a s**ty stick at. Why has this not rubbed of on us under paid and overworked skivvies.

KYGMSY Yes.. I think you'd better look elsewhere - How can you live on 7K? I would think you would find average salary starting around 13 - 14K plus overtime.. at least, in the London Area.

Any feedback on Australian standards?

OK is anyone offering an ops position in the North West with a salary of over 7k ?

Cheers

I've been lurking around this forum for quite awhile, thought it was about time i said something.

I work in operations, as a lowly ops assistant. I earn 12K a year plus overtime.
Is this good or bad?

I think it's quite poor and should get paid more, but i suppose everybody thinks that.

Bye the way a big hello to all you ops people out there.

Cheerio

This is one crazy career, I take it all you under paid Ops assistance are working for flying schools and only doing it to one day get a flying job if not you are being screwed.
I worked for a small charter company in N London as a DO, who paid 21k + shift allowances. I believe the big Airlines are paying big Bucks due to the stress. However GA is far more stressfull take it from me. I read a few months back on this forum that Scot Airways @ CBG are paying 23k+ to their DO`s. And that ain`t what I call stress……….I have been in this buisiness 12 years and boy does it need a good kick up the arse.


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DVR8M
Depends on where you are and what you do.
If essentially only flightwatch - 14-16K London area.
If hands on fleet juggling - 19-21K London area. Anywhere else in the UK they seem to pay whatever they can get away with.
Whooaahh
Don't know too much about Flt/Ops related IT systems but I can sell you a cheap day return to Weston-super-Mare - how about it?

-Offload-

I suppose my pays not to bad then, considering i work in the North West at MAN.

I enjoy my job, it's the best i've ever had and if i did'nt want it then there's a flood of people out there that would soon want to take my place.

GA operations have got to be the future for big money. Accountants run the big operators and all the managers’ care about is image and their next promotion. GA is all-out keeping the jets in the air 24hrs a day by people who have contact with all aspects of the business. A good Ops DO is worth his weight in gold. I believe as aviation gets more high tech, And we all have a licence to prove we know what we are doing, we will get a salary to justify the hard work we all do behind the scenes.

Ohhh is that the time only 6 more hrs to go……………coffee please

DVR8M :

12k sounds great to me.

In my part of the tropics a new FD asst gets about 9-10k and I average 20k after 5yrs and an average of 40hrs OT a mth.
I think I work too hard but the pay is reasonable.
I also have no prev exp or ops quals - only my lowly 4 GCSE's
It's not bad till you have to find somewhere to live but that's another story!

Our dispatch assistants get 16k (after probation) Our dispatchers get 20k plus an additional 1k for our FAA licence. Yet we still get people turning jobs down cos of the money!! We also send people on their FAA course in Dallas, saving them 3000 quid, yet some people are never happy!

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There she goes........

It appears that the main pay is around the late teens to early twenties mark. We all do it for the enjoyment of working in a department that changes by the day and by situation, no two days will ever be the same, whether it be due to weather / technical disruption or sorting out the crews lost hats and car keys. It does make me wonder, what is after Ops, where do we go? What are peoples aspirations? Do we stay in the job hoping for promotion into the that position of Ops Manager or remain at that glorified lost property position?

I myself have worked in Ops for over 10 years, working my way up from an assitants level to that of a Duty Manager, but what and where i go from now is a mystery

I here Air Partner (Aircraft Broker) are looking for Operations staff at their worldwide head office at Gatwick, the details look interesting for someone with a desire to broker at the same time as doing ops ?.

Pay seems reasonable. suggest sending CV's to [email protected]
Attn: Mark Gathercole

My mate went for a job at Air Partner and the money was crap - 10k a year for an ops assistant in the LGW area .....

Mad-Dog11,

If you don't mind me asking, who do you work for?
If you don't want to say here please e-mail me.

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Dakar

You've just started mate, 10 years should have given you a solid grounding in the operations of an airline, now have a look around you and consider what you have to offer your current airline or most likely another. Ops management, airfield ops, sales or marketing for some broker or aviation related organisation. Dispatching for some outfit in the middle east. Ops is a great place to start, you've probably paid your dues- now is the time to look around you and if you are prepared to move chances are good you find something to get your teeth into.

Good Luck

Well seems I might just say something as well! ;)
I moved from the S.W (from a small regional company where image comes before the personnel as usual!)to a charter airline right opposite Air Partner (quite literally, over the road!)Everyone was gobsmacked to say the least when I told them what we in JY (Doh!) were earning. Assistants are on approx. £8.5K. :rolleyes: As a crewing bod I was then on £10k http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/redface.gif and to rise to what I'm now on (using the crap JY payband/increments) would have taken 3 years!
Alright, so I wish to work in Ops, but I'm damned glad I changed companys!!
This is when there should be an Ops/Crewing Trade Union, which should provide back-up just as Flight Deck get from BALPA. However, I don't think the Commitee Against Aviation would like that (or Management!).
P.S Is anyone who attended the UKOMA Ops course in BOH April '99, Ppruners'?
Get in touch!!! ;);D

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