If all ops DO`s were trained to ATPL standards this industry will improve without a doubt, Everybody could trust each other to do their job properly...

In the USA the average pay for a flight deck dispatcher is £30K due to their FAA license.

PS I am not a pilot, though I wish I was just need loads and loads of wonga.

“Keep shining those armrests” :)

Some sort of recognition would be great, especially as the FAA inspectors give us a good grilling at least twice a year with our paperwork. I like the idea of a DO license. Could help with the wages aswell.

It would be interesting to hear the views of a UK CAA Flight Ops Inspector as to whether Ops staff should be licenced and whether they feel pay scales are sufficient in light of the level of responsibilities.

So, anyone from the Campaign Against Aviation willing to divulge opinions ??

Pavetack,

You amaze me mate ! Was under the impression that you hated Denmark and danes. But if the attitude you've displayed in your earlier replies was a consequence of sleep deprevation or something exuseable, I don't see why not. However, if your not an EU citizen it's not possible, unless you marry a dane (male or female, doesn't matter :) )

But, yes, we are currently looking for a flightwatch / loadcontrol agent. So prove to me that your temper won't get the better of you, and I shall be delighted to pass on your CV to Human Remains.

Depavetack - to answer your question you did.
So what category are you ' white kaffir' or munto? Either doesn't matter actually, you're an unprofessional pratt.
totsiens

Reading the posts it seems that every country is the same...Wannabe pilots working at ops and pursers paied more than dispatchers...
Boys, we're a group of dispatchers/ops controllers/crewing staff working in Italy and the story is always the same: pilots and cabin crews do not even know their names if we are not telling'em...
Ciao!

Well lads, doesn't look as though 50k is on then the books then, eh?

I have been in Ops for 9 months now and it is my first aviation job. I was drawn to this subject purely out of intrest to see if there was a "norm". FYI I am a Ops Assistant and I am currently on 15K would this seem normal?

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Thats a fine thing!

Iceman

More than DOUBLE my wages. Count yourself lucky.

KYGMSY

7K??? Surely that's not full time? Where are you working.... Ethiopia? The worst I ever got paid was 9500gbp and that was with a naf company..... African cargo outfit - crap hours always on call etc..
Who are you working for?
I have been doing flt ops for nearly 5yrs now and currently get paid 18000gbp plus 3000gbp shift pay. The 'usual' 2days 2night 12hr shifts followed by 4 days off.
If I was you, I would go and work in Macdonalds...... atleast you get a free lunch!

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come, come, come! We'll have no trouble here!!

Flying Lamb :

6.9K actually - piss poor wage, working in the northwest UK. Everyone tells me it's a fantastic wage.

In orifice 5 days per week, on call the rest of the time 24/7.

Do you think Macdonalds would throw in a ppl as well as a free lunch ? If so sounds tempting.

KYGMSY
What sort of outfit are you working for? Training School? Small independent Charter Operator? Can't possibly be any medium / large company can it?
Sorry don't mean to demoralise you even more, but our Office Junior takes home more than that.
I'm in office 5 days, 24/7 call out as well, working 7 days most weeks from April - September. Affectionately titled Ops assistant (although I actually do more than the OM), Quality Manager, Flight Safety Officer, Health & Safety Officer and IT Manager all rolled into one.
Basic pay £16000, been with this mob 4 years.
And I know it's c**p pay, but if you love the job.....

stopachoppa

SUCKER !!! :rolleyes:

stopachoppa :

Working for small charter operation. Like you I'm Ops assistant and IT Manager. Hey that makes things worse.....

NE England-based airline -

Controller - £13600
Officer - £8500

Twelve-hour shifts, 4on/4off days & nights.
One on shift to handle everything.
11 aircraft operating all day, 5 at night.
No shift pay.
No meal/coffee breaks.
No prospects.
No intention of staying a minute longer that I have to!!

If you want a laugh go to:
www.workthing.com and put in your details for the salary checker.....
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Old and bold

I'm underpaid http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/cool.gif

Me to....off to see the boss first thing£££££

What total arse if only that was true...£25K to work Ops @ LTN...
KELLY AVIATION don’t even pump out cr*p like that.......or do they!!!!!!!

Hot and Dry

Kelly do actually......... :rolleyes:

www.workthing.com
If this site is correct then this is answer to this thread is….

Average UK salary: £22,227
Highest recorded salary:£40,000

Not as bizarre as you think I have just pulled a job with a charter operator N London 23K + shift allowance + pension option and share save.... So things are looking up for us all....... :) :) :)
:) :) :)

Until the next recession that is......


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23K for a chater operator!!!Where and who do I call for an application?

GroundHog day - dont you mean easyjet??

I was reading an article at LGW today recommending that Ops Controller’s operating a European AOC should be licensed under JAR and comply with the FAA system to avoid confusion…..Bla Bla Bla. The interesting bit was the recommended pay:

Ops Assistant £17k-19k depending on qualification level
Ramp Agent £21-24k
Flight Deck Dispatch £26k +
Operations Controller £28k + depending on amount of A/C on AOC

Apparently this possible ruling brings all European airlines up to the same level allowing staff to move within the same company around the European community and still receive the same pay.

Pay more to get quality trained staff…… interesting concept for ground operations in Europe.

Mr G

About time most of the controllers here are FAA licensed and it shows. They are all very intelligent people who could earn a handsome salary out side aviation, but they love the job to much to leave. Now all our equipment is computerized and more regulations than you can shake a !!!!!y stick at. I personally think all staff working for a company who have an AOC should be licensed under JAR.

Ya Pay Ya money Ya take Ya chance……….

Mr Green: Which paper or mag did u read all this about the FAA Liscense thing? Sounds very interesting - and I am just wandering what else JAR is going to bring along for OPS people.....

that's the problem nowadays.....

Unfortunately JAR-Ops do not consider ops staff very much, leaving the company the responsability to have "trained as needed" people...We must still fight for our rights I'm afraid...

Ciao
Paolo

Talk of JARS producing a dispatchers ticket similar to FAA is a wonderful idea IMHO it wont happen - European carriers wont let it
happen - Simply because it means they would
have to pay more money and finally recognise
that dispatcher/Ops controllers call em what
you will have more responisbility than most of the shirts in the front office and rank equally with the drivers - And that raises
another ugly problem European drivers actually having to acknowledge that some SLOJO back in Ops might know as much as they do ------Perish the thought


Foursloscrews are better than :)

Foursloscrews

You're right it is very unlikely that any FAA Dispatch system would be introduced in the UK or dare I say JAA. But you're mis-guided in your reasons for it not happening. The fligh dispatcher/release system is simply not part of European airline operations, for reasons of aviation history, National identities, and geography. We have Operational Control, the same but different.

Notions that pilots have some fear of well qualified Ops bods is rubbish in my expereince. Most pilots respect a well qualified and expereinced Ops bod and appreciate that they are there to exercise operational control and indeed in doing so support them. I might sight the fact that Capt Pprune has graced us with our own forum on this bulletin board in recognition of the fact that Ops is an essential component of any airline operation.

The pilot slagging I read here at times is testimony to a lack of confidence and arrogance on the part of some in our side of the business.

What I readily acknowledge however, is that we particularly in the UK, lack a standard operations officer accreditation and if the JAA did adopt some licence standard for Ops staff it would indeed be of benefit to the industry, but need have nothing to do with an FAA Dispatch style system. In fact, the ICAO Flight Operations Officer Licence exists already, why reinvent the wheel, simply use it. But for those who want to make a career of airline operations, don't hold your breath for a licence, get out there and do as many ops courses as you can.

NoSig

Nice answer, Btw I wasnt slagging drivers
well maybe those who deserve it as in
"all you guys do is sit in a nice warm
office and drink coffee----I was flying
when you were still in knee pants ect ect"
Most of the guys we have flying with us as
PIC are younger than me and actually it
works the other way round they actually
seek advice as to routings wx etc, and
normally I preach CRM between dx and
crews. And your correct as far as the
historic reasons why they probably wont
be a JAA ticket.. The reason I quoted was
actually offered by a group of European
Ops bods about two years ago, when I tdy'd
Over there for six months during the summer
season (Which was probably the best thing
that ever happened, it appears few if any
US based dispatchers understand the ways
and vaguries of Eurocontrol , and I got a
good basic grounding in it for that summer.) Finally I fully agree that some
sort of standarization would be a fantastic
thing, not just within Europe but worldwide.
My present beef at the moment is watching
the state of training (in US DX schools)
slowly diminish to the point is that they
are (with certain exceptions) becoming
ticket mills.......I have had new tickets
show up here who cannot even read a Jepp
chart - let alone Boeings AFM runarounds --
WHoops thats a whole nother thread for the
forum ----.

Thanks for to all for letting me rant - and
No Sig - yer right it is a class act that
PPrune gives us our oun forum -

Remember . safety, comfort and economy :)


Fourslosrews are better than......... :)

Fourslosrews

It is a regret that the FAA Licence has indeed diminished in stature in recent years, the ticket factories have a lot to answer for. For me the target must be to have one recognised European accreditaion (not necessarily a licence) for the role of airline operational control or in ICAO terms, the Flight Operations Officer, if it were placed under the JAROPS wing so much the better.

The FAA Licence, albeit a valuable qualification, is in many ways mis-placed and not best suited to the European environment. It would be of significant benefit to JAA Countries were we able to establish an JAR standard, which in fact need only adopt the ICAO recommendation/syllabus as a good starting point. Easily done if there was the will to do so.