Wolf-In-Sheeps clothing
I need some info on JY - if you get a moment, please mail me with your e-mail address.
offload

Guys,

I totally agree with the need for a Union for us guys on the ground.

How would we get one started??

Anyone else interested??

Later

Matelot

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"You want WHAT for WHEN, Capt????"

OffLoad,
ARE YOU STARK RAVING MAD! You really want to work for JY! In Ops?! Considering the work-load and pay then I really don't think you do! There is a "No Thanks to Ops.." policy (unless that is industry wide?!)and the wages are a joke!
But I have now included my E-Mail address if you wish to contact me.

Ops/Crewing Union? Are there any more comments or suggestions?


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Watch Out....
You maybe flying too low Captain!

Wolf,
Will e-mail u shortly.
On the subject of unionisation though - didn't there used to be a British Guild of Flight Ops Officers? (we're talking late 70s early 80s here) I was never involved so I don't know if they had any political tendancies of if perhaps they were just an 'old boys' club - don't know if they still exist.
offload - go on, giz one

Matelot, Mad Dog,

You sure about the union thingie?
It means working according to the rules....
...and that means no more 12-hour shifts!!

I'm more interested in other things other than salary. How many holidays do you guys get out there? And other things like holiday pay and other bonuses?

Now we're talking!

**never happy**

Hello Deep Float...

I never said anything about the union - that was Matelot! However, seeing as we are on the subject 12 hours is nothing to me. I prefer working 12hour shifts on a 4on/4off basis. The salary I think is pretty good, especially when u look at some of the others on here.

Anyway, have a good weekend Deep Float and i'll see you nice and early on Monday morning!!

Deep Float

You must be a Pilot coz Pilot's are a bunch of Mummies Boys (Especially Foreigners) unable to work a 12 hour shift. If you want to work an 8 hour shift then you should reconsider alternative employment (i.e. McDonalds restaurants).

FAA Lic Dispatchers are what is known as "REAL MEN" unlike flyers.

On ther matter of more pay and bonuses, if you want more than you have to work for it instead of watching TV on your night shifts.

Regards

Pave

Hi Mad Dog

How's it going ? I agree with you about the 12 hour shift pattern "ITS NOTHING" to us MEN unlike Deep Float, I think he is from Holland ??. Anyway If a dispatcher can't hack a 12 hour shift then he/she should not in this game.

As far the Union goes "Forget it" there aint going to no union formed in the company I work for..

Regards

Pave

Hi to all the grafters!

I was doing 4on 4off then my ops bosses
decided we should do 8hr 6on 4off!!
Now this ops dept in STN makes us do more hours a year and get less days off

NOT GOOD

G-Wizz

Thanxs for the message, now I hope Deep Float understands that doing 8 hrs is not such a good thing.

Pave

Just for the record: I can't remember saying that I don't want to do 12 hour shifts. I just referred to the FAA rule that FAA dispatchers shouldn't be rostered for shifts longer than 10 hours. And if you would be unionised then you might have to adhere to similar rules. That's all.
But if some of you lack the capacity to read a post and then just start foreigner-bashing, then fine. Just remember that PPrune is an international forum. Keep it cool and professional, including you language. It doesn't look very good on us if someone finds out who we're working for.

Errrrr.....
I thought this thread was about ops pay!!
seem to be going a bit off-course!!

Deep Float

Ref your last message. Are you a FAA Lic Dispatcher ?? Does the 10 Hour rule really apply to you ?? And for your information the 10 hour rule does not apply in the UK does it now ??

Pave

Vodka, I completely agree with you.

Let's get back the issue. Mad-Dog answered mine.

I believe its time ops bods here in the uk started getting wages that reflect the responsibilities put on them !!
not only financial recognition but a proper licencing system similar to the FAA
I've only been in ops for 6 years but i know colleagues who have been going on about this for decades!
For your info ops get 16-22K here at my outfit in STN
Whats the average in US ??

(ok i took the city&guilds but it would be nice to get proper CAA paperwork!!)

KEEP SMILING

Hello everyone again!
Didnt mean to start a riot by saying i like 12-hour shifts - thats just my preference and i know everyone is different. Just out of interest, what kind of shifts does everyone work out there, and also what holidays does everyone get? Myself i work 4on 4 off and get 16 days a year. Is this normal??

Enjoy the rest of your weekend everyone

myself i also prefer 12 hour shifts and work on a 3 on 3off roster but at the moment i dont do nights. i get around 20days hol
i cover flight planning.

6ON 4OFF & 25 days off a year, so i guess its not too bad!

2days 2 nights 5 off, 2 days 3 nights 4 off,
3days 2 nights 5 off, 26 days hols..

5 on 2 off followed by 4 on 2 off..we get paid 20-24k with rather good travel concesions