Flame out no 1
Y A W N
Next time you ban your wife from from using the FTLS to get home, make sure you know the rules, cos the phukwit at my mob didn't...........he the pilot had to ask. chip on each shoulder........another of our pilots phoned to ask what side the football was on........11 buttons to dial, four on Teletext.......chip on each shoulder, no not us, Phuked off with having to wet nurse a small minority of drivers who could never do our jobs...............
Sim twice a year, big pressure, you fail you live, medical, twice a year, you fail, you get paid to recover, my real time job has just the same pressure..........
Oh I don't have a bit of paper that sais I'm a GOD, but you all tell me what a shyte job I do,
Wipe your own arses for once...........


edit to tone down


and by the way, next time you are told your slot is due arrivals restricions at your destination airfield, do you yell, "CAN YOU NOT REROUTE US"
Think about it.............To%%ER

Chip, .....................Yeah rightoh


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WIND.........WIND.........WIND.......WIND,
Gee you guys take yourselves too seriously.
Bwhaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaahaaaa!!!!!!!!
Have a nice day!!!!

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Play it again Sam, I said play it !

We have more pilot problems than ops problems. Remember guys, it's because of us that you do any flying at all.

Remember the joke :
What's the difference between god and pilots ?


God does not think he's a pilot.

Flame
Don't know what it's like in the land of Oz,
WIND WIND WIND gets right up my nose......
I work twelve hours under undue commercial pressure to make my Airline work. That is my working day. Can I pass it on to you guys......Not in my country. If it wasn't for all those innocent fare payers straped into the same ally tube as the pilots, my standard response would be " you decide what's best SIR"
I console myself every night in the fact pilots are just like children, only children grow out of it.....................


Me, never want to learn to fly, could be sitting next to a TW£t for too long

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Flameout_No1

I've seen this post many times
When you've finished building your hours and get your first job as a junior F/O you will understand better

Ladies and Gentlemen on both sides of the great air/ground divide.
This is a team game and the objective is to get shiney plane from point A to point B with the minimum of casualties, and hopefully within an acceptable timeframe.
Both camps have a smattering of genius, a handful of idiots.
Its called the human condition, and its only a career choice that determines who sits where. QED.

Well said Mr.Mayhem.....

With a name like that you would be equally at home in the Ops room or the Flight deck! :)

Quote :

I console myself every night in the fact pilots are just like children, only children grow out of it.....................


Sadly it is so true.

Having said all the above, we have some absolutely fantastic pilots - I'm not trying to show myself as an anti-pilot guy.

KYGMSY,

You stated, <I'm not trying to show myself as an anti-pilot guy.> And yet you also said, <I console myself every night in the fact pilots are just like children, only children grow out of it.....................>

Seems fairly anti pilot to me, but then what the hell do I know, I'm only a pilot! I'm just going to ask my Mum to change my nappy before driving to work.


Regards
Exeng.

What I'm implying is that there are pilots that take the p*** out of you saying we can't do our job and there are others who are always keen to do any flying, no hassle at all. These guys are great.

So if I've read this right, as long as pilots don't question you & do whatever you tell me, they're the good guy all rest are just trouble makers.

Book yourself on the next crm course you're in need of it :mad:

Dear KYGMSY,

You stated, <What I'm implying is that there are pilots that take the p*** out of you saying we can't do our job and there are others who are always keen to do any flying, no hassle at all. These guys are great.>

Not quite sure just what point it is you are making. By the way, pilots take the p**s out of everybody. They take particular pleasure when winding up one of their colleagues. It's all just 'A JOKE'.

When I've planted one (again) I expect a giggle or two, that's life I'm afraid. Now you Chaps & Chappesses also make 'admin errors'. And guess what? We take the p**s. Well no harm done then, it's better that than an official complaint isn't it?

About the 'others' who who are always keen to do any flying, no hassle at all. Will you do any work, any time? Personally I will only do extra work if it a)pays, and b)if it convenient to me. Call me a fool but that is the way I play it.


Regards
Exeng

Right!!!!,
I'm going to take my bat and ball and go home.
You Op's guys are way to smart for little old antipodean me.
Just like a POM, no sense of humour.
I think I hear mummy calling.




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Play it again Sam, I said play it !

Flame

Hope you come back, love to know, Abo or POM convict offspring?

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Maybe you should read my initial post again. There are pilots who don't question anything, get on with the job and don't ask daft question i.e. have you filed flight plans ? We have a few of these type of pilots who we get on well with and there's the other minority that always moan and complain and question everything i.e. have you booked us into a hotel ? I have to have 2 days off within the next week. Will it fit in our fdp ?

See where I'm coming from yet ???

I reckon I'm starting to get the picture!

You have some guys who'll fly for food and don't care too much about legality etc.

You have some other professional pilots who also have a life outside of work.

Give it a rest!!!

KYGMSY,

I believe that you need to look up to your belly, because if they ask you those type of questions is because there were previous incidents with you or with your mates over there;
If you want to play goods will to aviation that's fine, if you are being blamed for someone else I would suggest to grab the bull by the horns and show some professionalism for a change.

Do not take it personnal, but I hate when people start to criticise others as an excuse for not doing the job.

I forgot to present myself, I am Mach.99 and
I feel the need for speeeed!

Cheers!


Note:

Mach.99

I have always had flight plans filed, hotels, ground handling arranged etc etc....

Why they still check on all these things I do not know. It doesn't tie in with any of the above comments.

They complain that they never ( bollocks ) get given a crew brief - they always do they just always leave them on the pilots desk.

They get their plogs and forget them too. It's basic airmanship for pilots to check that they have all the necessary paperwork instead of realising at FL100 that they don't know which VOR they're going to next or which London airport they're going to.

Most replies in this topic have been down to professionalism. I Had a phone call from a pilot today asking to speak to ops manager. He was on another call and he asked me to pass a message on to him which was "can you ask him to find out how many pax were on return flight ?" How can the easiest question require an answer from the ops manager ??

Hey KYGMSY,
I think the reason for that is they know that you do not count well....??
Some time ago you may had told them that the primary school was not for you but for the Ops Manager only!! :rolleyes:

I steel feel the need for speeed...!
Mach.99
Hicks?!

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Nothing new in this scenario...at the end of the day you get nice pilots and nasty pilots...and nice ops guys and nasty ops guys...the way of the world.

Believe it or not early in my ops career at a major operator I had a Chief Pilot who would come in to the ops room and say 'Hello guys, how are you, I can see you are busy would you like a cup of coffee?'

And one fateful night when we had nine diversions etc. etc. he sat next to me and answered the phones, keeping the pressure away from us in op so we could resolve the mess.

When I made the move to flight deck and then back to airline management I never forget this...there is no easy answer but at the end of the day it is the end result that counts,job satisfaction and having fun also help of course!