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Old 9th Jan 2008, 14:03
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Sat 1

Handling company 1 for not controlling the check-in correctly and refusing the 34kg bag and failing to HEA tag the 2 bags?
Thats a no brainer.


..and there is the problem.....

The ramp agent may well have lifted an overweight bag, or many, over the duration of his shift; previous shifts and working life.
At the time of the injury he was lifting a 'within limits' bag.
There is no legality to the requirement to HEA tag - it may be good procticve, recommended practice, within the SLA etc. but there is no legal recourse for failure to comply.
Same for the 32kg max - or has this now been lowered to 25Kgs?
The ramp agent is responsible for 'assessing' the load he/she is amout to move.
The ramp agent is responsible for correct manual handling techniques.

...... and so it goes on!

I think we sing from the same hymn sheet re looking after the ramp teams.
They do an incredible job in a very difficult environment.

If only some of the airline senior management and handling agents' sales teams REALLY understood how some of the decisions they make in their offices have a real impact to the people at the sharp end.

..and maybe I've been around too long as well.
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Old 15th Jan 2008, 20:48
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You name names you go!

Get this together guys or no more thread. You are just not getting the message.

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Old 18th Jan 2008, 20:38
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Devil The big R !!!!

Well i never.......It's finally happened at servisair(ramp).....ramp staff being asked to cut their hours down to 30 p/w or go....I think the census of the people who got the letter is...GO!

It's a shame because there are some good team players who have decided to go.

Good luck with what ever you decide to do on the outside people.....
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Old 20th Jan 2008, 16:16
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Because of the selection criteria insisted on by the union a lot of good experienced long serving members of staff now face having their hours cut or being made redundant.

Remember not every union rep has your best interests at heart.

And not every manager is your enemy.
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Old 20th Jan 2008, 20:01
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Servisair redundancies Stn

Get your facts right Hawker its not the Union Reps that make people redundant the company Servisair make that decision.
The selection criteria used : short term sickness (odd days off),Disciplinary warnings,no service or skill level could have been taken account or the people made redundant would be still there.
The employees made redundant were on the top end of the pay scale (Team-leaders etc) on old Servisair contracts good sick pay and final salary pension scheme.
I do not think this coincidence this is a plan to get rid of high wage earners on good contracts to be replaced in the summer by poles on split shifts on new contracts.
This is a big cost cutting exercise, what a choice go on a 30 hour contract or your made redundant.
Those of you that are left standby for 4 and 2 or 6 and 3 have you got any bks at Servisair stand up for your mates!!!
You let them get rid of the best Shop Steward you ever had you are now paying the price he would have never let this happen.
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Old 21st Jan 2008, 16:23
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I did not suggest that the union reps had made people redundant, this was clearly a company decision based on loss of work, mainly due to airlines pulling out of Stansted because of increased landing fees. But.......

Fact 1: The company did not dictate the criteria used to the union. Both parties agreed it.

Fact 2: The company only wanted to take into account employee's records going back 2 years.

Fact 3: It was the union that insisted on taking into account employee's records going back 5 years.

Fact 4: By going back 5 years it put more long serving employee's in the firing line than it would have done if they had only gone back 2 years.
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Old 21st Jan 2008, 19:29
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Im with you Demon, think i might save myself a few bob next month and go it alone. They even had the cheek to offer to sit in the "chat" and try save the jobs.....even after they put their members in the firing line. they gota go
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 14:39
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Fact 3: It was the union that insisted on taking into account employee's records goin

Fact 3: It was the union that insisted on taking into account employee's records going back 5 years.



Please get your facts correct!.....they went back 3 years.....and yes i do know.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 17:00
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redundant...and thats the union

a quote from a earlier thread....employees that were made redundant were at the top end of the pay scale....lets hope airlines dont copy or there will be no pilots and no work for anybody.

nobody is getting the same story at servisair on how things were done....no change there then.

maybe minutes of meetings with the boss and union should have been taken and put on the wall....then every body would know the truth.

another quote about men having bks and sticking up for others....i did slip on something in the carpark the other morning.


and as for getting rid of the best shop steward they ever had......its just shame he was not the best driver they ever had.

Tip of the week.

save your union fee and pay your car tax next year..it will help out when your on split shifts

HAPPY NEW YEAR I THINK!!
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 17:19
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go for the jugular grizzler!!!

truthful on the outside with a nice funny bit in the middle.Keep it up Grizzler.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 19:26
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Servisair redundancies Stn

What your all need to remember is that Servisair are making people redundant for whatever reason, and they could have stuck by their employees for two months until the summer season kicks in when they will be recruiting again.
Servisair management must be pg themselves laughing why you are all blaming the union for the redundancies you are a disgrace no unity, no bs, you elected the Shop Stewards.
I do not find it very funny when people are losing their jobs.
The roster changes on the way( ie 4 and 2, split shifts) i hope you have found your bs and a bit of unity ,while you are all blaming the union the management are having an easy time and doing what they like.

I would like to wish the people made redundant good luck and hope they get fixed up soon with a new employer.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 20:01
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tgwustn......said....you elected the shop steward.

yes a shop steward was elected...but what choice was there.

it was like saying, how would you like to die...hanging,electric chair or firing squad......you choose what you think is going to be less painfull...but bugger it still hurts.

and yes i am very sorry over the loss of so many jobs.......the ones that have gone ,they can be likened to the ones that were picked up in the lifeboats when the titanic went down......the rest that are still there will go down with the ship...

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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 20:42
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Hey guys, dont like to hear about redundancies, especaily when we all know (and as mentioned before) Servisair will be taking on new staff in about 2-3 months but on a much lower payscales.
Its a vicious circle and this time it has come back round to Servisair, next will no doubt be Aviance.
Maybe we should all keep our ears and eyes open and help each other out with information on any jobs that are out there.

Good luck
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Old 23rd Jan 2008, 07:57
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R.I.P

For us old sea dog should plug up the holes, and do what we can and keep it floating. Mind you a backbone would come in handie, and help who,s left
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Old 23rd Jan 2008, 18:23
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sorry to burst your bubble sat1 but it WAS 5 years........and yes....i do know 2 good luck for monday
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Old 24th Jan 2008, 10:31
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are you saying some one told me a porkie? Heavens above I feel all stressed out.On a more serious note, I honestly believe this is not the last of the redundancies.Any news on the thomson contract yet?
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Old 24th Jan 2008, 14:18
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thomson

heard this morning they still have not giving an anwser yet we will have to wait and see also heard that they have got to give 90 days notice if they decide to go more problems to deal with never mind it will all come out in the wash
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Old 24th Jan 2008, 15:44
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did hear the other day that there are a couple of new airlines coming in to Stansted starting in the summer,. know one's a greek airline not sure about the others or who will be handling them. Anyone know more??
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Old 24th Jan 2008, 20:28
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trap2....i did hear...

its all greek to me........i heard maxjet are starting up again on april the 1st.....laker airlines are making a comeback.....british airways have had a cunning plan, they are going to call themselves B.O.A.C. and run a small outfit called B.E.A on the side....the board of trade are going to buy stn back from the baa....the airport security are going to let us take a four pint bottle of milk to work so we can have milky coffees all day....and cornflakes....also NASA have said, stn is there number one diversion runway for the space shuttle....and the airport will be closed for a week over xmas 2008..........also servisair have said they are going to start a ground handling company that looks after there workers.........but i cant see that happening.
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Old 24th Jan 2008, 20:58
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smart arse!!

looks like it's goner be busy then!
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