Ops Pay.......
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If this site is correct then this is answer to this thread is….
Average UK salary: £22,227
Highest recorded salary:£40,000
If this site is correct then this is answer to this thread is….
Average UK salary: £22,227
Highest recorded salary:£40,000
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Not as bizarre as you think I have just pulled a job with a charter operator N London 23K + shift allowance + pension option and share save.... So things are looking up for us all....... 
Until the next recession that is......
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Until the next recession that is......
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I was reading an article at LGW today recommending that Ops Controller’s operating a European AOC should be licensed under JAR and comply with the FAA system to avoid confusion…..Bla Bla Bla. The interesting bit was the recommended pay:
Ops Assistant £17k-19k depending on qualification level
Ramp Agent £21-24k
Flight Deck Dispatch £26k +
Operations Controller £28k + depending on amount of A/C on AOC
Apparently this possible ruling brings all European airlines up to the same level allowing staff to move within the same company around the European community and still receive the same pay.
Pay more to get quality trained staff…… interesting concept for ground operations in Europe.
Mr G
Ops Assistant £17k-19k depending on qualification level
Ramp Agent £21-24k
Flight Deck Dispatch £26k +
Operations Controller £28k + depending on amount of A/C on AOC
Apparently this possible ruling brings all European airlines up to the same level allowing staff to move within the same company around the European community and still receive the same pay.
Pay more to get quality trained staff…… interesting concept for ground operations in Europe.
Mr G
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About time most of the controllers here are FAA licensed and it shows. They are all very intelligent people who could earn a handsome salary out side aviation, but they love the job to much to leave. Now all our equipment is computerized and more regulations than you can shake a sh*ty stick at. I personally think all staff working for a company who have an AOC should be licensed under JAR.
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Talk of JARS producing a dispatchers ticket similar to FAA is a wonderful idea IMHO it wont happen - European carriers wont let it
happen - Simply because it means they would
have to pay more money and finally recognise
that dispatcher/Ops controllers call em what
you will have more responisbility than most of the shirts in the front office and rank equally with the drivers - And that raises
another ugly problem European drivers actually having to acknowledge that some SLOJO back in Ops might know as much as they do ------Perish the thought
Foursloscrews are better than
happen - Simply because it means they would
have to pay more money and finally recognise
that dispatcher/Ops controllers call em what
you will have more responisbility than most of the shirts in the front office and rank equally with the drivers - And that raises
another ugly problem European drivers actually having to acknowledge that some SLOJO back in Ops might know as much as they do ------Perish the thought
Foursloscrews are better than
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Foursloscrews
You're right it is very unlikely that any FAA Dispatch system would be introduced in the UK or dare I say JAA. But you're mis-guided in your reasons for it not happening. The fligh dispatcher/release system is simply not part of European airline operations, for reasons of aviation history, National identities, and geography. We have Operational Control, the same but different.
Notions that pilots have some fear of well qualified Ops bods is rubbish in my expereince. Most pilots respect a well qualified and expereinced Ops bod and appreciate that they are there to exercise operational control and indeed in doing so support them. I might sight the fact that Capt Pprune has graced us with our own forum on this bulletin board in recognition of the fact that Ops is an essential component of any airline operation.
The pilot slagging I read here at times is testimony to a lack of confidence and arrogance on the part of some in our side of the business.
What I readily acknowledge however, is that we particularly in the UK, lack a standard operations officer accreditation and if the JAA did adopt some licence standard for Ops staff it would indeed be of benefit to the industry, but need have nothing to do with an FAA Dispatch style system. In fact, the ICAO Flight Operations Officer Licence exists already, why reinvent the wheel, simply use it. But for those who want to make a career of airline operations, don't hold your breath for a licence, get out there and do as many ops courses as you can.
You're right it is very unlikely that any FAA Dispatch system would be introduced in the UK or dare I say JAA. But you're mis-guided in your reasons for it not happening. The fligh dispatcher/release system is simply not part of European airline operations, for reasons of aviation history, National identities, and geography. We have Operational Control, the same but different.
Notions that pilots have some fear of well qualified Ops bods is rubbish in my expereince. Most pilots respect a well qualified and expereinced Ops bod and appreciate that they are there to exercise operational control and indeed in doing so support them. I might sight the fact that Capt Pprune has graced us with our own forum on this bulletin board in recognition of the fact that Ops is an essential component of any airline operation.
The pilot slagging I read here at times is testimony to a lack of confidence and arrogance on the part of some in our side of the business.
What I readily acknowledge however, is that we particularly in the UK, lack a standard operations officer accreditation and if the JAA did adopt some licence standard for Ops staff it would indeed be of benefit to the industry, but need have nothing to do with an FAA Dispatch style system. In fact, the ICAO Flight Operations Officer Licence exists already, why reinvent the wheel, simply use it. But for those who want to make a career of airline operations, don't hold your breath for a licence, get out there and do as many ops courses as you can.
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Nice answer, Btw I wasnt slagging drivers
well maybe those who deserve it as in
"all you guys do is sit in a nice warm
office and drink coffee----I was flying
when you were still in knee pants ect ect"
Most of the guys we have flying with us as
PIC are younger than me and actually it
works the other way round they actually
seek advice as to routings wx etc, and
normally I preach CRM between dx and
crews. And your correct as far as the
historic reasons why they probably wont
be a JAA ticket.. The reason I quoted was
actually offered by a group of European
Ops bods about two years ago, when I tdy'd
Over there for six months during the summer
season (Which was probably the best thing
that ever happened, it appears few if any
US based dispatchers understand the ways
and vaguries of Eurocontrol , and I got a
good basic grounding in it for that summer.) Finally I fully agree that some
sort of standarization would be a fantastic
thing, not just within Europe but worldwide.
My present beef at the moment is watching
the state of training (in US DX schools)
slowly diminish to the point is that they
are (with certain exceptions) becoming
ticket mills.......I have had new tickets
show up here who cannot even read a Jepp
chart - let alone Boeings AFM runarounds --
WHoops thats a whole nother thread for the
forum ----.
Thanks for to all for letting me rant - and
No Sig - yer right it is a class act that
PPrune gives us our oun forum -
Remember . safety, comfort and economy
Fourslosrews are better than.........
Nice answer, Btw I wasnt slagging drivers
well maybe those who deserve it as in
"all you guys do is sit in a nice warm
office and drink coffee----I was flying
when you were still in knee pants ect ect"
Most of the guys we have flying with us as
PIC are younger than me and actually it
works the other way round they actually
seek advice as to routings wx etc, and
normally I preach CRM between dx and
crews. And your correct as far as the
historic reasons why they probably wont
be a JAA ticket.. The reason I quoted was
actually offered by a group of European
Ops bods about two years ago, when I tdy'd
Over there for six months during the summer
season (Which was probably the best thing
that ever happened, it appears few if any
US based dispatchers understand the ways
and vaguries of Eurocontrol , and I got a
good basic grounding in it for that summer.) Finally I fully agree that some
sort of standarization would be a fantastic
thing, not just within Europe but worldwide.
My present beef at the moment is watching
the state of training (in US DX schools)
slowly diminish to the point is that they
are (with certain exceptions) becoming
ticket mills.......I have had new tickets
show up here who cannot even read a Jepp
chart - let alone Boeings AFM runarounds --
WHoops thats a whole nother thread for the
forum ----.
Thanks for to all for letting me rant - and
No Sig - yer right it is a class act that
PPrune gives us our oun forum -
Remember . safety, comfort and economy
Fourslosrews are better than.........
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Fourslosrews
It is a regret that the FAA Licence has indeed diminished in stature in recent years, the ticket factories have a lot to answer for. For me the target must be to have one recognised European accreditaion (not necessarily a licence) for the role of airline operational control or in ICAO terms, the Flight Operations Officer, if it were placed under the JAROPS wing so much the better.
The FAA Licence, albeit a valuable qualification, is in many ways mis-placed and not best suited to the European environment. It would be of significant benefit to JAA Countries were we able to establish an JAR standard, which in fact need only adopt the ICAO recommendation/syllabus as a good starting point. Easily done if there was the will to do so.
It is a regret that the FAA Licence has indeed diminished in stature in recent years, the ticket factories have a lot to answer for. For me the target must be to have one recognised European accreditaion (not necessarily a licence) for the role of airline operational control or in ICAO terms, the Flight Operations Officer, if it were placed under the JAROPS wing so much the better.
The FAA Licence, albeit a valuable qualification, is in many ways mis-placed and not best suited to the European environment. It would be of significant benefit to JAA Countries were we able to establish an JAR standard, which in fact need only adopt the ICAO recommendation/syllabus as a good starting point. Easily done if there was the will to do so.
