Driving airside without driving permit.
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Driving airside without driving permit.
Yes, I admit I did the above (foolish of me I know) so got suspended until Monday when I'll be called in by the manager.
What I'm wanting to know is what the possible implications could be? Right now it points towards a disciplinary, but dearly hoping I don't get a fine or indefinite suspension.
Thanks.
LFC.
What I'm wanting to know is what the possible implications could be? Right now it points towards a disciplinary, but dearly hoping I don't get a fine or indefinite suspension.
Thanks.
LFC.
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Hmm bit of a tricky one.
During my 4 years on the ramp at Stansted i saw this kind of thing happen alot, and the outcome was not good in any case.
Alot depends on certain things, for instance, Who caught you? (Airport Authority, Employer, Police etc). What is you disiplinary record like? Have you ever received any Airside driver training? What Airport was it at?
The last guy this happend to before i left was caught by the companys Training officer and as he was already serving a 1yr driving ban (For hitting a 737!) he was dismissed.
The offence is not so much just a driving thing, its more of a Heath and Safety issue and that is what they will try to do you for. In nearly all cases i have witnessed it was the Heath and Safety issue which resulted in the employee's dismissal. What u have to remember is that the ramp is a dangerous place and by driving with no permit (and presumably no training) you pose a risk to Passengers, Workers, Aircraft and yourself as well has various other things.
It was a foolish thing to do so prepare for the worst. Depending on your answers to the above questions you may get just a final written warning, but these things are not normally taken lightly.
Good Luck.
During my 4 years on the ramp at Stansted i saw this kind of thing happen alot, and the outcome was not good in any case.
Alot depends on certain things, for instance, Who caught you? (Airport Authority, Employer, Police etc). What is you disiplinary record like? Have you ever received any Airside driver training? What Airport was it at?
The last guy this happend to before i left was caught by the companys Training officer and as he was already serving a 1yr driving ban (For hitting a 737!) he was dismissed.
The offence is not so much just a driving thing, its more of a Heath and Safety issue and that is what they will try to do you for. In nearly all cases i have witnessed it was the Heath and Safety issue which resulted in the employee's dismissal. What u have to remember is that the ramp is a dangerous place and by driving with no permit (and presumably no training) you pose a risk to Passengers, Workers, Aircraft and yourself as well has various other things.
It was a foolish thing to do so prepare for the worst. Depending on your answers to the above questions you may get just a final written warning, but these things are not normally taken lightly.
Good Luck.
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I was caught by some employees of another company.
Disciplinary record is fine.
Airport is MAN.
Yes, received driver training. I acually got my driver permit but I forgot to collect it from the pass office.
Disciplinary record is fine.
Airport is MAN.
Yes, received driver training. I acually got my driver permit but I forgot to collect it from the pass office.
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I work in Airfield Ops and driving without a permit is a big NO NO! (I'm yet to catch one).Usually a fine would be issued by the Airport Authority! However regarding the disciplinary it all depends how strict your company is on the subject. They may make you pay the fine and that may be the end of it, or you may just get a written warning, or even the worst case scenrio which I won't mention!!!
All I can say is enjoy your weekend and good luck
I work in Airfield Ops and driving without a permit is a big NO NO! (I'm yet to catch one).Usually a fine would be issued by the Airport Authority! However regarding the disciplinary it all depends how strict your company is on the subject. They may make you pay the fine and that may be the end of it, or you may just get a written warning, or even the worst case scenrio which I won't mention!!!
All I can say is enjoy your weekend and good luck
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I think the problem is probably one of insurance (both liability and company personal insurance). If training has been completed but not in actual pocession of your initial licence the legal eagles may argue that by not holding the correct documentation you were not adhereing to the regulations laid down. Should you have an accident, were you or an aircraft/pax etc was damaged/injured the company may find their insurance cover invalid. They could potentially expose themselves a claim they could not cover.
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They should hopefully take into account your training and the fact you forgot it should it go to a disciplinary.
However i hope it all works out for you and let us know the result incase it happens to anyone else!
However i hope it all works out for you and let us know the result incase it happens to anyone else!
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Don't worry mate! Frankly, If you have the permit in the office, and genuinely forgot, They should be "OK" with it to the degree of not going the full degree!!!! As you say you have a clean record! The Industry need people like you! And tbh need many of the posters on here! Its the ones who take the mick to say the least who they come down on! Like the 737 collision expert as told by Matty!
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Christ, in my day, back in late 80's, ANYONE could drive the ramp vehicle.
(EMA).
We used to tear up and down the ramp, being shouted at by the marshalls.
Remember once breaking down by the taxiway and having to push the car out of the way of a taxying ATP !
Licence?!! Bloody namby-pambys !
(EMA).
We used to tear up and down the ramp, being shouted at by the marshalls.
Remember once breaking down by the taxiway and having to push the car out of the way of a taxying ATP !
Licence?!! Bloody namby-pambys !
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I wish that we had the same powers here - part of our taxiway co-insides with an airport ringroad (to a football pitch of all places!!!) Only last week I caught a motorbike tareing up the taxiway and missing the turn that the road takes away from airfield. The excuse, as he's heading towards the runway threshold, "sorry I'm new here, but i do have a licence"
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Bald Eagle.
Nothing happened. Jus got sent to work in the baggage hall, saying that'd be more suitable for me. Just another way to say "you won't be able to damage anything here."
I've given up the job now anyway.
Nothing happened. Jus got sent to work in the baggage hall, saying that'd be more suitable for me. Just another way to say "you won't be able to damage anything here."
I've given up the job now anyway.
how cool would that have been 
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Bit harsh that was!! Although I admit that the youth of today aren't really up to much (I sound like my Dad, HELP) would you be carry on in a job that you hate, that you don't want to do and isn't where you want your career to go just because someone thinks otherwise? Would you, the airline pilot, like to be given a crewing job because a passenger complained that you made a hard landing? Always of course assuming that you have the option, as most youngsters living at home do!
I spent the last year in a job where the last 6 months where sheer purgatory, but had to stay to pay the mortgage, now I'm out, have a new job and am happy for the first time in years. Give the lad a break!
I spent the last year in a job where the last 6 months where sheer purgatory, but had to stay to pay the mortgage, now I'm out, have a new job and am happy for the first time in years. Give the lad a break!
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I remember those days well
Ahhh Little_Blue
I to had the same joys on the EMA ramp (albeit mid to late 90's). Tearing around wherever we wanted in our little yellow tugs (remember them?).
I think EMA Ops had a whole filing cabinet on me !!
I will always remember my then boss calling me in the office asking if I had been upsetting the marshalls AGAIN.
Oh what fun we had
I to had the same joys on the EMA ramp (albeit mid to late 90's). Tearing around wherever we wanted in our little yellow tugs (remember them?).
I think EMA Ops had a whole filing cabinet on me !!
I will always remember my then boss calling me in the office asking if I had been upsetting the marshalls AGAIN.
Oh what fun we had
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I have worked for handling agents @ Man for 16 years and your story is typical of most of the young lads I have seen come and go.........the lads that came and went, thought it would be great driving around in the eels ignoring the rules until they were reprimanded...and surprise suprise they left soon after...you know the ramp is a dangerous place people get injured sometimes killed...
maybe he was doing that for the safety of you and your fellow workers!!!
as I have said this is a long heard type of story, and if you left for personal reason fine.
oh yes I think I am someone who has been young once but had to grow up quick in that enviroment...so I think I can comment with experience gained
Jarvis
Jus got sent to work in the baggage hall, saying that'd be more suitable for me. Just another way to say "you won't be able to damage anything here."
as I have said this is a long heard type of story, and if you left for personal reason fine.
oh yes I think I am someone who has been young once but had to grow up quick in that enviroment...so I think I can comment with experience gained
Jarvis
