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Vol 7,
Thanks for your vote of confidence, clearly my rant does not outline my frustrations well enough.
First, it helps if you have an enthusiasm for your job, I'm not endorsing the 'spotter' mentality, but to be any good at what you do you must care about it or, or one day you'll kill someone. There is a world of difference between being enthusiastic and an enthusiast.
Second, the main reason we all go out to earn a crust is to enjoy a standard of living, for me to accept an 8K job when my current salary is 33K is a step back too far methinks. However, as I said earlier I am prepared to make the appropriate sacrifices, but within reason. Rememeber the Stansted area is not a cheap place to live!
Third and foremost I have many years in aviation ops in a wide variety of extremely demanding roles worldwide and have at no point felt the job beneath me as you infer. Furthermore, I find your comments offensive and would suggest to you that you be less judgemental and refrain from lurching off at the deep end making wild assumptions about people until you are fully cogniscent with them and more importantly much, much better experienced in man management as clearly this is an area you are bereft.
You do not know me, my circumstances, experience or knowledge.
Thanks for your vote of confidence, clearly my rant does not outline my frustrations well enough.
First, it helps if you have an enthusiasm for your job, I'm not endorsing the 'spotter' mentality, but to be any good at what you do you must care about it or, or one day you'll kill someone. There is a world of difference between being enthusiastic and an enthusiast.
Second, the main reason we all go out to earn a crust is to enjoy a standard of living, for me to accept an 8K job when my current salary is 33K is a step back too far methinks. However, as I said earlier I am prepared to make the appropriate sacrifices, but within reason. Rememeber the Stansted area is not a cheap place to live!
Third and foremost I have many years in aviation ops in a wide variety of extremely demanding roles worldwide and have at no point felt the job beneath me as you infer. Furthermore, I find your comments offensive and would suggest to you that you be less judgemental and refrain from lurching off at the deep end making wild assumptions about people until you are fully cogniscent with them and more importantly much, much better experienced in man management as clearly this is an area you are bereft.
You do not know me, my circumstances, experience or knowledge.
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Vol7,
Whether you like it or not chat rooms occasionally end up hosting a spat between two parties with differing views. You disagree with mine, fine; clearly I disagree with yours. I believe I at least have outlined my views but I do not feel that you have sufficiently articulated yours. You appear content to chuck in a nondescript one liner and withdraw. That boy is cowardice.
I would be very happy to hear your views in more detail and if I am mistaken then I will have no hesitation in admitting I was wrong. However I feel your views, as expressed so far, lack weight and authority and seem to be founded on prejudice and maybe a degree of underconfidence. It is pretty obvious to me that you are not or never have been in a management role, so until you have been I would recommend that you keep your mouth shut and your ears well and truly pinned back. You might actually learn something lad.
Whether you like it or not chat rooms occasionally end up hosting a spat between two parties with differing views. You disagree with mine, fine; clearly I disagree with yours. I believe I at least have outlined my views but I do not feel that you have sufficiently articulated yours. You appear content to chuck in a nondescript one liner and withdraw. That boy is cowardice.
I would be very happy to hear your views in more detail and if I am mistaken then I will have no hesitation in admitting I was wrong. However I feel your views, as expressed so far, lack weight and authority and seem to be founded on prejudice and maybe a degree of underconfidence. It is pretty obvious to me that you are not or never have been in a management role, so until you have been I would recommend that you keep your mouth shut and your ears well and truly pinned back. You might actually learn something lad.
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Vol7,
Ok so I'm wrong, you are in management or so you claim. Please expand exactly as to what you mean by the term 'your kind'. If you would care to read back through previous posts you'll find you started this spat with your name calling so now the gloves are off and I expect from you further explanation.
I reiterate, you are judgemental and bear prejudice and if you are indeed in management as you claim I would question your suitability.
Ok so I'm wrong, you are in management or so you claim. Please expand exactly as to what you mean by the term 'your kind'. If you would care to read back through previous posts you'll find you started this spat with your name calling so now the gloves are off and I expect from you further explanation.
I reiterate, you are judgemental and bear prejudice and if you are indeed in management as you claim I would question your suitability.
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Ah here we go the cutting and pasting exercise. Please be origional. And there you go again being judgemental and drawing all sorts of conclusions based on what obviously to me is a life time of prejudice.
What do you know about mil aviation? Nothing I wager and also what on earth do you think we do(did)? I recommend that you open your insular little eyes a tad wider and get a grip. I know exactly where to pitch myself based on my experience and training and no I don't know it all, but clearly you do!
Additionally people change jobs for a variety of reasons, I left the mil like most people so I can enjoy some family stability and actually see my wife regularly.
Furthermore please refrain from your childish references to serial numbers and simulators, FYI I have interest in neither so please be a good lad and desist from making playground comments, they're unintelligent and you reflect badly by it.
As for my present work, I recommend that you aquaint yourself with Facilities Management and what a typical FM actually does and then you might then begin to understand something of what I do. Moreover, get an understanding for outscourcing contracts, SLA's and benchmarking and you might then appreciate that yes I do have management responsibilty for Security and Catering, cleaning etc, with a lot of other people, within the constraints of the contract of course.
What you don't appreciate is that I have invested a great deal of time, effort and money in study to gain qualifications in subjects relevent to my career ambitions, and unsurprisingly I would far prefer to remain in that environment, or it's immediate perifery.
I am anything but full of contradictions, I just don't like small minded little people making personal comments and expecting to get away with it.
I keep encountering bigots like you repeatedly and it always saddens me that in today's society you people still exist. You are not Gods gift to aviation as you obviously believe you are and I would never have a twit like you anywhere near my ops room!
What do you know about mil aviation? Nothing I wager and also what on earth do you think we do(did)? I recommend that you open your insular little eyes a tad wider and get a grip. I know exactly where to pitch myself based on my experience and training and no I don't know it all, but clearly you do!
Additionally people change jobs for a variety of reasons, I left the mil like most people so I can enjoy some family stability and actually see my wife regularly.
Furthermore please refrain from your childish references to serial numbers and simulators, FYI I have interest in neither so please be a good lad and desist from making playground comments, they're unintelligent and you reflect badly by it.
As for my present work, I recommend that you aquaint yourself with Facilities Management and what a typical FM actually does and then you might then begin to understand something of what I do. Moreover, get an understanding for outscourcing contracts, SLA's and benchmarking and you might then appreciate that yes I do have management responsibilty for Security and Catering, cleaning etc, with a lot of other people, within the constraints of the contract of course.
What you don't appreciate is that I have invested a great deal of time, effort and money in study to gain qualifications in subjects relevent to my career ambitions, and unsurprisingly I would far prefer to remain in that environment, or it's immediate perifery.
I am anything but full of contradictions, I just don't like small minded little people making personal comments and expecting to get away with it.
I keep encountering bigots like you repeatedly and it always saddens me that in today's society you people still exist. You are not Gods gift to aviation as you obviously believe you are and I would never have a twit like you anywhere near my ops room!
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Oh go away you little nobody, I know many, many people who are trying to get an aviation related job both ex mil and outright civ, and it's nothing to do with lack of experience or ability, just the right opportunities!
You're a boring little wannabe with little to offer but bile. This discussion has indeed run it's course, get away from Nottingham, you might find there is a world out there.
Apologies to the rest of you.
You're a boring little wannabe with little to offer but bile. This discussion has indeed run it's course, get away from Nottingham, you might find there is a world out there.
Apologies to the rest of you.
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Er no! I suggest that it is you that feel threatened by people like me. You know very little, that is obvious. Get out from infront of your computer and find out a little more of other industries, what they do and how they do it. You might be surprised to learn that there is more to life than your insular little world of Ops/crewing.
FYI I did crap like that decades ago and it was dull then. Anyone with half a brain cell saw that too and moved on to better more challenging things. You laddie seem to have stayed put. Reasons? You're either thick or lazy, which is it? I think it's both!
Salt and vinegar with those chips d!ck 'ead!
FYI I did crap like that decades ago and it was dull then. Anyone with half a brain cell saw that too and moved on to better more challenging things. You laddie seem to have stayed put. Reasons? You're either thick or lazy, which is it? I think it's both!
Salt and vinegar with those chips d!ck 'ead!
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Come on now, lets get back to the thread cos this is really getting boring now.
Does anyone else have any factual comments about RYR and it's Ops pay scales and T's & C's... ?
Does anyone else have any factual comments about RYR and it's Ops pay scales and T's & C's... ?
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