EASA Log book Question, B1.1 & 1.3?
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EASA Log book Question, B1.1 & 1.3?
Might sound a silly question, but would you run seperate log books for Fixed wing & Rotary, for the respective 1.1 & 1.3, or is it possible to cross over some jobs (Wheel c/x's, brake packs etc) so they count towards your experience for full licence issue? 
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No.
I have B1.1, B1.2 and B1.3 all in the same Log
I've always treated the Log as my CV, so it shows all my experience and qualifications.
What you can't do is "cross-over" the jobs - so keep pages for heli experience separate from the fixed wing stuff
HTH
Rigga
I have B1.1, B1.2 and B1.3 all in the same Log
I've always treated the Log as my CV, so it shows all my experience and qualifications.
What you can't do is "cross-over" the jobs - so keep pages for heli experience separate from the fixed wing stuff
HTH
Rigga
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Ok, one other thing, I have done 12 years in the RAF as a heavy on C-130's. Would my years experience prior to B1 issue be applicable from the first date in my civil logbook for both B1.1 and B1.3? I.e, If I start working on helicopters, but later on fixed wing, would I be able to claim the heli experience towards the timeline for the B1.1?
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You will generally record your logbook experience sheets by Aircraft Type, then further by ATA chapter.
Ie, 737NG is recorded seperately from Airbus A320. So as Rigger says you can't cross over jobs, even if they are in the same ATA chapter (as with wheel/brake replacements you mentioned).
Your experience starts from the first jobs you will record in your logbook. However I expect this will be seperate with the licence catagories.
So when you start recording A320 worksheets (for example) towards your B1.1, it will not count towards B1.3 heli experience time, and you will still need the minimum time for that seperately (1yr) as per ELGD.
Ie, 737NG is recorded seperately from Airbus A320. So as Rigger says you can't cross over jobs, even if they are in the same ATA chapter (as with wheel/brake replacements you mentioned).
Your experience starts from the first jobs you will record in your logbook. However I expect this will be seperate with the licence catagories.
So when you start recording A320 worksheets (for example) towards your B1.1, it will not count towards B1.3 heli experience time, and you will still need the minimum time for that seperately (1yr) as per ELGD.
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All your RAF experience can go into the basic trade experience sheets and show that you have had formal basic training, some formal specialist training (all your Q Courses) and lots of experience working in lots of ATA chapters for military C130's.
As said by TRHMU, your civil aircraft experience should be "filed" by aircraft types and in an ATA chapter format.
This means that all of your log is used but that you have separate sheets for types (and therefore licences).
Sorry that I was too brief earlier.
Rigga
As said by TRHMU, your civil aircraft experience should be "filed" by aircraft types and in an ATA chapter format.
This means that all of your log is used but that you have separate sheets for types (and therefore licences).
Sorry that I was too brief earlier.
Rigga
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Really appreciate the replys guys. While I am still in, what is the best way to record my Mil experience & get it verified (By Flt commander/ sqn leader?) so the CAA will recognise it, so I can just do the 1 year on type for the ticket?
While I am still in, what is the best way to record my Mil experience & get it verified (By Flt commander/ sqn leader?) so the CAA will recognise it, so I can just do the 1 year on type for the ticket?
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Do you still have the PDR (blue folder)? If so, stick all your experience in there. Keep it simple - aircraft type, registration and description of tasks carried out. Get it all authenticated by an EngO.
One other thing worthy of note. There is a misconception amongst forces guys that they just turn up on day one as a civvy and 12 months later get a shiny new licence. It isn't as straightforward as that I'm afraid. If you do not have a comprehensive civil log book covering all ATA chapters then you will not meet the requirements for basic licence issue. I know a couple of guys who have been out a few years now and they are still plugging away trying to get the necessary experience, it can and does take time. The 12 months is an absolute minimum.
One other thing worthy of note. There is a misconception amongst forces guys that they just turn up on day one as a civvy and 12 months later get a shiny new licence. It isn't as straightforward as that I'm afraid. If you do not have a comprehensive civil log book covering all ATA chapters then you will not meet the requirements for basic licence issue. I know a couple of guys who have been out a few years now and they are still plugging away trying to get the necessary experience, it can and does take time. The 12 months is an absolute minimum.
