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I don't think so. It must be a wind-up. Nobody could be that stupid!
Incidently, I regularly see airside security staff chomping into a chinese or indian takeaway on a nightshift. Maybe I should report it to the DFT. Security staff or not they shouldn't be eating a potent explosive device airside.
Incidently, I regularly see airside security staff chomping into a chinese or indian takeaway on a nightshift. Maybe I should report it to the DFT. Security staff or not they shouldn't be eating a potent explosive device airside.
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Given the number of otherwise pleasant villages in Suffolk, it is not unreasonable to assume one, at least, is the residence of an idiot.
However, leaving anthropology to one side let us have a look at this fabled Level 3 certificate, the one that, seemingly in contrast to say a mere engiineer for example, takes, erm, about 3 days to complete ( and note the intellectual content of "true / false" for the exam at the end...) and costs, in comparison to mere engineers, very little shall we say.
Level 3 Delivering Physical Intervention in the Private Security Industry Training
Now, try as I may ( and being a mere engineer please note ) I have read the documentation extensively and ( this may come as a shock to other mere engineers on here ) cannot actually find any reference or indeed requirement to be fully conversant ( as mere engineers are ) with aircraft maintenance procedures and the associated tools and equipment to carry out these procedures.
Please note, I have not included the training period and post training experience required for mere engineers in this search.
It stands to reason therefore that, with the award of a certificate after a 3 day course, a senior security officer is far more qualified to pass comment on, and indeed participate in, the requirements pertaining to mere engineers and their professional occupation, including the trivial detail of legal certification of the aforementioned procedures.
Edited to say that NO cynicism, sarcasm, denigration or defamation of character was included or intended in the above post.
Which does, of course, beg the rather irritating, and probably irrelevant ( from his perspective ) question for the poster in question.
Would you care to offer ALL of us mere engineers, a comprehensive resume of your engineering background and qualifications please....it could save us all so much angst you understand and indeed, we, and the world, are in thrall as to the basis for the views you have so kindly posted on here.
Feel free to take your time and become conversant with a spell checker when compiling your answer.
However, leaving anthropology to one side let us have a look at this fabled Level 3 certificate, the one that, seemingly in contrast to say a mere engiineer for example, takes, erm, about 3 days to complete ( and note the intellectual content of "true / false" for the exam at the end...) and costs, in comparison to mere engineers, very little shall we say.
Level 3 Delivering Physical Intervention in the Private Security Industry Training
Now, try as I may ( and being a mere engineer please note ) I have read the documentation extensively and ( this may come as a shock to other mere engineers on here ) cannot actually find any reference or indeed requirement to be fully conversant ( as mere engineers are ) with aircraft maintenance procedures and the associated tools and equipment to carry out these procedures.
Please note, I have not included the training period and post training experience required for mere engineers in this search.
It stands to reason therefore that, with the award of a certificate after a 3 day course, a senior security officer is far more qualified to pass comment on, and indeed participate in, the requirements pertaining to mere engineers and their professional occupation, including the trivial detail of legal certification of the aforementioned procedures.
Edited to say that NO cynicism, sarcasm, denigration or defamation of character was included or intended in the above post.
Which does, of course, beg the rather irritating, and probably irrelevant ( from his perspective ) question for the poster in question.
Would you care to offer ALL of us mere engineers, a comprehensive resume of your engineering background and qualifications please....it could save us all so much angst you understand and indeed, we, and the world, are in thrall as to the basis for the views you have so kindly posted on here.
Feel free to take your time and become conversant with a spell checker when compiling your answer.
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Ah well, another TOOL on the tick list.
Good luck guys, so glad I jumped ship, my service van doesn't go through this crap on wind turbine sites.
GR.
Good luck guys, so glad I jumped ship, my service van doesn't go through this crap on wind turbine sites.
GR.
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Mr Chips i have no qualifications whatsoever in engineering which is why if confronted with a engineer trying to sneak a toolbox airside we insist on a letter of authorisation clearly stating just why he needs so many tools , people do not im sure realise what a danger tools can be airside, in the wrong hands they can pose a very serious security threat indeed which is why we are very alert to the dangers of engineers trying to blag there way airside with all manner of dangerous items.
However dont get me wrong, if the engineer is being sensible and has only one or two basic tools in his possesion, a torch and a pair of pliers for example that is not a problem, ...common sense has to prevail.
However dont get me wrong, if the engineer is being sensible and has only one or two basic tools in his possesion, a torch and a pair of pliers for example that is not a problem, ...common sense has to prevail.
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HaHa your brilliant. "Sneak a toolbox airside" I admire you. Thank god caterers don't "sneak catering airside" or fuellers "sneak fuel airside". All your posts seem to be about engineers and never about anyone else who goes airside (fuellers, cleaners, loaders etc). I think you are a little green-eyed monster. Now go study for your level 4. By the way, "common sense" doesn't come into a security officers vocabulary anyway so don't pretend you of all people have some!
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I with draw my acusation that hitch is security at Norwich.
He is showing a far too developed intelligent sense of humour.
And not letting Avionics Engineers near an aircraft with any sharp objects in there possession seems quite sensible actually.
He is showing a far too developed intelligent sense of humour.
And not letting Avionics Engineers near an aircraft with any sharp objects in there possession seems quite sensible actually.
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So Hitcher next time i got to change an IDG or Fuel Pump on a 320 or 737 i will take a screwdriver , a plier , a monkey wrench and an angle grinder.
No need to take my expensive toolbox that i bought with my own money that will make my life easier or custom made tooling approved by my QA for specific tasks for instance, so that i don't have to take apart
half of the engine.
No need to take my expensive toolbox that i bought with my own money that will make my life easier or custom made tooling approved by my QA for specific tasks for instance, so that i don't have to take apart
half of the engine.
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I think people are getting a little carried away here, there is no problem whatsover getting any tools airside as long as the security professionals involved are satisfied the engineers concerned have boni fide reason for taking their tools airside, Provided one can prove without reasonable doubt that those tools are really required and not just "a nice to have item" and do not pose a threat to life and limb or the aircraft involved then all is well on our side
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Line Mx people don't know whats coming @ them. that is aviation.
The machine arrives @ the gate in the state it is in
Our job is to get it fixed or sorted by morning.
SH!T happens . How is one to provide adequate and timely maintenance. when raked over the coals as some (A$$....l whatever) decides if an RVSM test box passes muster, despite the fact the individual would have a hard time differentiating it from a toaster.
In order to be efficient........ maintenace personelle need tools available at their feet so they can deal with the situation/conundrum before them.
An excelent instructor from a few years ago, gave us all a few words of wisom
1 You never know what yer gonna need, if ya can carry it bring it!!.Odds are if you didn't yer gonna need it!!
2The best way to maintain an erection is not to fu(k with it. IE don't mess with a functional system unless you must
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The machine arrives @ the gate in the state it is in
Our job is to get it fixed or sorted by morning.
SH!T happens . How is one to provide adequate and timely maintenance. when raked over the coals as some (A$$....l whatever) decides if an RVSM test box passes muster, despite the fact the individual would have a hard time differentiating it from a toaster.
In order to be efficient........ maintenace personelle need tools available at their feet so they can deal with the situation/conundrum before them.
An excelent instructor from a few years ago, gave us all a few words of wisom
1 You never know what yer gonna need, if ya can carry it bring it!!.Odds are if you didn't yer gonna need it!!
2The best way to maintain an erection is not to fu(k with it. IE don't mess with a functional system unless you must
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Every time I went thru security, my blood pressure went sky high. After reading Hitcher posts, I quite sympathy with most junior security ppl trained by so called high ranking Hitcher.
You pay peanut, you get monkey.
One day monkey can change a engine with a screw driver and a few spanners.
You pay peanut, you get monkey.
One day monkey can change a engine with a screw driver and a few spanners.
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Just doing my duty FM, as long as engineers insist on trying to flout regulations and attempt to smuggle tools, boxes of teabags, take aways, flasks of soup etc airside we will have to remain highly vigilant, I even had one chap recently trying to get a large carrot cake airside ,....claimed it was his birthday!!... just how stupid do you think security officers are??
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Do you really want me to answer that...VERY ******* STUPID
Engineers this, engineers that. What a fantastic job you do for £7 an hour
Have to go now, have to put together todays smuggling plan. I'm thinking a nice chicken chow-mein, rice and a spring roll, cunningly disguised as a torch, screwdriver and a pair of pliers. You do humour me. Keep it up, hugely entertaining.
Engineers this, engineers that. What a fantastic job you do for £7 an hour
Have to go now, have to put together todays smuggling plan. I'm thinking a nice chicken chow-mein, rice and a spring roll, cunningly disguised as a torch, screwdriver and a pair of pliers. You do humour me. Keep it up, hugely entertaining.
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You may think its a joke hovis, but if like me you had succesfully compleated a SIA level 3 security licence course you would know that certain ingredients extensivly used in chinese cuisine can when mixed with certain other items (which i cannot of course divulge here) be used to easily construct a very potent explosive device, so next time your chinese or indian take away is confiscated be aware its not because some petty minded security officer is acting in a fit of pique but thanks to his extensive training he knows the risks that seemingly innocuous items can pose.
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Hitcher, if you just kept the wrong people out, then we could take all our tools, takeaways and tea airside without the risk of irresponsible use or even purposeful misuse. Keep an eye out for the baddies.
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Restore the balance of power
The reason that security have become so powerful is there has been no control of their paranoid antics, for too long they have been judge and jury in their own court. The politicians don't dare restrain them in case they are seen by the press as being weak on terrorists so security can invent all sorts of new ideas. The numptys at the bottom love these powers and use them as only someone who's life is so empty can, the bosses invent these ideas so that they can make more money by employing more low grade numptys to enforce the ungraded rules.
For the first time in living memory the government has started an inquiry into aviation security, the results of this enquiry will form the basis if future security regulation.
The most important part of this for us is to have a formal complaint procedure that is independent of the airport security system.
To this end it has been proposed that CHIRP is given a formal role as a security watchdog.
I would recommend that you all go to latest edition of CHIRP and follow the links to the government security enquiry website and make your views known.
It is quite clear that the last thing that the security industry wants is an independent body monitoring their antics so your input to this enquiry is vital if you want some sort of control over this issue.
I have made my submission to the enquiry I urge you all to do the same, an hour on the computer will save you years of future trouble !
For the first time in living memory the government has started an inquiry into aviation security, the results of this enquiry will form the basis if future security regulation.
The most important part of this for us is to have a formal complaint procedure that is independent of the airport security system.
To this end it has been proposed that CHIRP is given a formal role as a security watchdog.
I would recommend that you all go to latest edition of CHIRP and follow the links to the government security enquiry website and make your views known.
It is quite clear that the last thing that the security industry wants is an independent body monitoring their antics so your input to this enquiry is vital if you want some sort of control over this issue.
I have made my submission to the enquiry I urge you all to do the same, an hour on the computer will save you years of future trouble !
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Hi, A and C
I agree absolutely and would log in CHIRP to view my feeling.
P/s I nearly had my digital camera stopped at security check point for contempt of taking airport photos in breach of security until I protested that my mobile had a built in camera.
May be I could be arrested as a rapist cos I have a prxxk.
I agree absolutely and would log in CHIRP to view my feeling.
P/s I nearly had my digital camera stopped at security check point for contempt of taking airport photos in breach of security until I protested that my mobile had a built in camera.
May be I could be arrested as a rapist cos I have a prxxk.
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I even had one chap recently trying to get a large carrot cake airside ,....claimed it was his birthday!!... just how stupid do you think security officers are??