French licence conversion to CAA UK
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fb,
i know how clever you are already.
don't you think that i have been through all the things you said already ?
now , if younger guys are not interested in learning things from older guys , no problems for me ... but as their Shift Manager , when i am asking them to do something , they do not have to think , just do it ! they are paid for it !
as you are talking about the outlook of my country maybe some people get a bad idea of it because this wrong reputation had been created by people who are not professionnals in their job , what a pity !
I am here to share my experience and to try to make things move forward for my Brothers Engineers , thats it , thats all ...
Brgds.
MM.
i know how clever you are already.
don't you think that i have been through all the things you said already ?
now , if younger guys are not interested in learning things from older guys , no problems for me ... but as their Shift Manager , when i am asking them to do something , they do not have to think , just do it ! they are paid for it !
as you are talking about the outlook of my country maybe some people get a bad idea of it because this wrong reputation had been created by people who are not professionnals in their job , what a pity !
I am here to share my experience and to try to make things move forward for my Brothers Engineers , thats it , thats all ...
Brgds.
MM.
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i did my 3 years apprenticeship with AF in the 90s (we were going out from school only for week-ends !)...and then been graduated with a CAP.
the apprenticeship i have just explained was happening like this 20 years ago , Mate , i am 38 years old ...
Get some time in Sonny, I did my apprenticeship in the Mid 70's and have 35 years in the game, I am a Chief Engineer and the certifying Engineer, we are not all youngsters like yourself in both experiance and age......
get some respect to older Engineers
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a great era ...
Mr NutLoose,
you are older than me , so you get my respect .
do you now understand , which kind of respect i am talking about ?
about "professional" respect , i have worked for different companies and you know like me that everytime you are joining another company , you should make your proof again ... this one should be earned !
hope that makes sense ...
"your attitude sucks" , is it a kind of human respect ?
another sort of respect ...?
we are really living in a great era ...
Brgds.
MM.
you are older than me , so you get my respect .
do you now understand , which kind of respect i am talking about ?
about "professional" respect , i have worked for different companies and you know like me that everytime you are joining another company , you should make your proof again ... this one should be earned !
hope that makes sense ...
"your attitude sucks" , is it a kind of human respect ?
another sort of respect ...?
we are really living in a great era ...
Brgds.
MM.
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to aztek ...
aztek,
from DAC-AIR321:
"Mutual agreement. La licence AML délivrée au titre des « protected rights » bénéficie
du « Mutual Agreement » c’est à dire qu’elle est reconnue dans tous les Etats membres de
l’UE ."
sorry Guys , Luxembourg is using French Language but i think that everybody will understand "mutual agreement"
Brgds.
MM.
from DAC-AIR321:
"Mutual agreement. La licence AML délivrée au titre des « protected rights » bénéficie
du « Mutual Agreement » c’est à dire qu’elle est reconnue dans tous les Etats membres de
l’UE ."
sorry Guys , Luxembourg is using French Language but i think that everybody will understand "mutual agreement"
Brgds.
MM.
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as much as I hate to agree with my new found french friend madmax, he is right.
Trouble is in this pc ridden era you are not allowed to say that the youth of today on the whole are a waste of space. Not so much their fault or the so called older generation but the system in place today is cheap and nasty compared with 20 years ago.
good on you madmax for telling it as it is
Trouble is in this pc ridden era you are not allowed to say that the youth of today on the whole are a waste of space. Not so much their fault or the so called older generation but the system in place today is cheap and nasty compared with 20 years ago.
good on you madmax for telling it as it is
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Sir SC,
I appreciate your post , thank you.
white is white and black is black , nobody will make me believe that 1+1 can be = 3 ...
lets call a dog a dog.
oh ! i remember also when i started to work , i was carrying the toolbox of the old guy i was working with , this happened during two months and i was also holding his torch while he was working , was it a big deal ? nope , and we were not moaning ...
ask it nowadays to even an apprentice ... he will tell you to f..k off !
Sir SC , the system is made by people and people can change so the system can be changed ...
SC , sorry thats maTmax (as you know , I am not Australian ), anyway in Line Maintenance , we are all little bit mad ...
A maybe too much proud Frenchie.
Brgds.
MM.
I appreciate your post , thank you.
white is white and black is black , nobody will make me believe that 1+1 can be = 3 ...
lets call a dog a dog.
oh ! i remember also when i started to work , i was carrying the toolbox of the old guy i was working with , this happened during two months and i was also holding his torch while he was working , was it a big deal ? nope , and we were not moaning ...
ask it nowadays to even an apprentice ... he will tell you to f..k off !
Sir SC , the system is made by people and people can change so the system can be changed ...
SC , sorry thats maTmax (as you know , I am not Australian ), anyway in Line Maintenance , we are all little bit mad ...
A maybe too much proud Frenchie.
Brgds.
MM.
What a sad little bunch we are.
The OP asked a polite question and has had to suffer abuse and see his (her?) thread hyjacked by self-serving ego maniacs who have more to say about their own sad existence than, to be honest, most of us really need to know.
Matmax (and others) if you want a willy waving competition join a naturist society.
To the original OP.. It is more to do with historical precedence and the common English language than the perceived difference in quality of one license to another.
As has been said already, Asian MROs 'like' the UK CAA license because they are familiar and comforable with it.
Good Luck in your endeavours and ignore the abuse.
The OP asked a polite question and has had to suffer abuse and see his (her?) thread hyjacked by self-serving ego maniacs who have more to say about their own sad existence than, to be honest, most of us really need to know.
Matmax (and others) if you want a willy waving competition join a naturist society.
To the original OP.. It is more to do with historical precedence and the common English language than the perceived difference in quality of one license to another.
As has been said already, Asian MROs 'like' the UK CAA license because they are familiar and comforable with it.
Good Luck in your endeavours and ignore the abuse.
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Having worked in the middle east and far east also as quality assurance I can assure you the reasoning is quality.
These bases have been able to and have accepted any licence in the past. There have of course at times been language issues but the main problem was not even their skills, it was their safety culture or rather lack of it in comparison to your average Brit or Aussie.
So yes you are right, I can give any European a screwdriver and ratchet set and they will do the same job. But ask about safety and consequence of action or lack of action and most Europeans are left looking at the ceiling.
Ask about reporting systems or competent NAA's that provide buckets of useful information and you soon realize that the stipulation about UK licence is from a quality perspective the right one. Whether it will withstand a discrimination challenge, I don't know.
The point is, being liberal is great on the one hand but very dangerous on the other. In utopia we would assist our European colleagues with their safety culture and not knock them. But now with quality of training also going down the toilet I am glad that I have almost reached retirement.
The UK will do what it always does best, nothing until its too late. Thats why the second world war took 6 years instead of months. The warning signs were there for years, Churchill bleated on about it all the time during the early 30's but was just abused and scoffed at.
The UK car industry well there's a story. Anybody see Top Gear the other day. In 1946 the UK exported 98,000 cars to the rest of the world and imported 63. Yes 63 not 63,000. The warnings signs were there in the late 50's early 60's that the world beating UK car industry needs to pay attention. It didn't and disappeared.
The UK licensing situation is no different. You can play the liberal if you wish and play up second rate engineers as being equal, but you do so at your own cost.
These bases have been able to and have accepted any licence in the past. There have of course at times been language issues but the main problem was not even their skills, it was their safety culture or rather lack of it in comparison to your average Brit or Aussie.
So yes you are right, I can give any European a screwdriver and ratchet set and they will do the same job. But ask about safety and consequence of action or lack of action and most Europeans are left looking at the ceiling.
Ask about reporting systems or competent NAA's that provide buckets of useful information and you soon realize that the stipulation about UK licence is from a quality perspective the right one. Whether it will withstand a discrimination challenge, I don't know.
The point is, being liberal is great on the one hand but very dangerous on the other. In utopia we would assist our European colleagues with their safety culture and not knock them. But now with quality of training also going down the toilet I am glad that I have almost reached retirement.
The UK will do what it always does best, nothing until its too late. Thats why the second world war took 6 years instead of months. The warning signs were there for years, Churchill bleated on about it all the time during the early 30's but was just abused and scoffed at.
The UK car industry well there's a story. Anybody see Top Gear the other day. In 1946 the UK exported 98,000 cars to the rest of the world and imported 63. Yes 63 not 63,000. The warnings signs were there in the late 50's early 60's that the world beating UK car industry needs to pay attention. It didn't and disappeared.
The UK licensing situation is no different. You can play the liberal if you wish and play up second rate engineers as being equal, but you do so at your own cost.
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The answer was in the post if had read and understood instead of stalked. Do you come on here only to stalk, very sad.
By the way, a forty year old who comes on here asking pilots how he can become a pilot is very sad indeed. Have you no initiative of your own. No wonder you were between jobs.
Whats Bulgaria got to do with anything?
By the way, a forty year old who comes on here asking pilots how he can become a pilot is very sad indeed. Have you no initiative of your own. No wonder you were between jobs.
Whats Bulgaria got to do with anything?
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After you clown. You tell everything about yourself and honestly now and I will happily follow. Did I ever issue you an authorisation?
By the way on the subject of honesty, why claim you are in Melbourne when now apparently you are a Bulgarian engineer? Your posting times don't support Melbourne either.
Habitual liar or just hiding who you are?
By the way on the subject of honesty, why claim you are in Melbourne when now apparently you are a Bulgarian engineer? Your posting times don't support Melbourne either.
Habitual liar or just hiding who you are?
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I am actually dual nationality French/Canadian with a UK licence. I have worked all over the world, hands on and quality and have met literally thousands of licence holders from all over the world. I have also worked closely with numerous authorities.
I am currently in the UK, hands on because I want to retire here.
If I ever needed to be convinced about quality which I didn't its being proven right here and now. The truth whether you can accept it or not is really quite simple.
The UK clearly leads the way on a par with Australia. Australia may even have the edge now as a result of EASA. Some European countries come close to the UK CAA but most lag well behind. Many still don't have reporting systems for example.
But the real issue as I said isn't about using a screwdriver or spanner. The real issue is about culture, safety culture. Many Europeans are excellent with their hands, will match you yard for yard on the job until you hit a safety call. That's where your UK and Aussie LAME scores big points.
I don't see what you hope to achieve by calling black, white. Once you have experience of the bigger picture and saw where safety within this industry is heading you wouldn't make the comments you do. They are indeed genuine but naive.
I am currently in the UK, hands on because I want to retire here.
If I ever needed to be convinced about quality which I didn't its being proven right here and now. The truth whether you can accept it or not is really quite simple.
The UK clearly leads the way on a par with Australia. Australia may even have the edge now as a result of EASA. Some European countries come close to the UK CAA but most lag well behind. Many still don't have reporting systems for example.
But the real issue as I said isn't about using a screwdriver or spanner. The real issue is about culture, safety culture. Many Europeans are excellent with their hands, will match you yard for yard on the job until you hit a safety call. That's where your UK and Aussie LAME scores big points.
I don't see what you hope to achieve by calling black, white. Once you have experience of the bigger picture and saw where safety within this industry is heading you wouldn't make the comments you do. They are indeed genuine but naive.
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Okay, going back to Post 6, the following is still on the EASA website FAQs and a challenge to the CAA is probably in order (not from me though).
17. Should we replace an Aircraft Maintenance License (AML) from one country by the AML of another country if an applicant asks for it (for example because employers outside EASA think a UK AML is better than others)? Will EASA develop a procedure for this? (25/07/2005)
(25/07/2005) It is possible to issue multiple Part-66 licences. It is therefore possible for a Member State to issue a licence to a person who already has one in another Member State. Furthermore, Article 8 of Regulation 1592/2002 specifies that Member States shall, without further technical requirements or evaluation, recognise certificates issued by another Member State. Therefore a licence may be issued by a Member State based on one issued in another Member State. This of course should be accompanied by the adequate communication between Member States as per 66.B.25.
http://easa.europa.eu/rulemaking/faq/commission-regulation-2042-2003-continuing-airworthiness.php
17. Should we replace an Aircraft Maintenance License (AML) from one country by the AML of another country if an applicant asks for it (for example because employers outside EASA think a UK AML is better than others)? Will EASA develop a procedure for this? (25/07/2005)
(25/07/2005) It is possible to issue multiple Part-66 licences. It is therefore possible for a Member State to issue a licence to a person who already has one in another Member State. Furthermore, Article 8 of Regulation 1592/2002 specifies that Member States shall, without further technical requirements or evaluation, recognise certificates issued by another Member State. Therefore a licence may be issued by a Member State based on one issued in another Member State. This of course should be accompanied by the adequate communication between Member States as per 66.B.25.
http://easa.europa.eu/rulemaking/faq/commission-regulation-2042-2003-continuing-airworthiness.php
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Having worked in the middle east and far east also as quality assurance I can assure you the reasoning is quality.
These bases have been able to and have accepted any licence in the past. There have of course at times been language issues but the main problem was not even their skills, it was their safety culture or rather lack of it in comparison to your average Brit or Aussie.
So yes you are right, I can give any European a screwdriver and ratchet set and they will do the same job. But ask about safety and consequence of action or lack of action and most Europeans are left looking at the ceiling.
These bases have been able to and have accepted any licence in the past. There have of course at times been language issues but the main problem was not even their skills, it was their safety culture or rather lack of it in comparison to your average Brit or Aussie.
So yes you are right, I can give any European a screwdriver and ratchet set and they will do the same job. But ask about safety and consequence of action or lack of action and most Europeans are left looking at the ceiling.
As for Matmax's English. Sentences in English and French start with a capitial letter. Is your technical French on your documentation as grammatically as bad as your posts on this forum?
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