The Job Of A Engineer
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Thanks everyone for your help, things are becoming much clearer now.
does this mean there is a age limit on it?
i have never ruled out the opiton of military but if i could get into civil avation that would a bonus. The only problem i have is i stay in scotland and there aint many avation engineering courses around up here which means i would have to move.
Another question i have is, are there many jobs available once i would be qualified or is it like airline pilots at the minute where the pilots are actually paying to sit in the cockpit?
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Jamie
the lad is just 18 and needs his 4 and a bit years to even become licensed.
i have never ruled out the opiton of military but if i could get into civil avation that would a bonus. The only problem i have is i stay in scotland and there aint many avation engineering courses around up here which means i would have to move.
Another question i have is, are there many jobs available once i would be qualified or is it like airline pilots at the minute where the pilots are actually paying to sit in the cockpit?
Thanks
Jamie
Thanks everyone for your help, things are becoming much clearer now.
does this mean there is a age limit on it?
i have never ruled out the opiton of military but if i could get into civil avation that would a bonus. The only problem i have is i stay in scotland and there aint many avation engineering courses around up here which means i would have to move.
Another question i have is, are there many jobs available once i would be qualified or is it like airline pilots at the minute where the pilots are actually paying to sit in the cockpit?
Thanks
Jamie
does this mean there is a age limit on it?
i have never ruled out the opiton of military but if i could get into civil avation that would a bonus. The only problem i have is i stay in scotland and there aint many avation engineering courses around up here which means i would have to move.
Another question i have is, are there many jobs available once i would be qualified or is it like airline pilots at the minute where the pilots are actually paying to sit in the cockpit?
Thanks
Jamie
You could try Bristow Helicopters in Aberdeen to see if they're planning any apprenticeships in the future, or I'm certain that several of the Scottish HE colleges do aircraft maintenance courses.
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Jamie,
Those courses may be quite suitable for you but remember they do not provide you with an EASA Licence, however, AST is based at Perth College and you may be able to do your EASA Exams alongside your College course although this would be classed as a self improver/modular route and you would be required to show at least 5yrs of relevant documented experience..
Those courses may be quite suitable for you but remember they do not provide you with an EASA Licence, however, AST is based at Perth College and you may be able to do your EASA Exams alongside your College course although this would be classed as a self improver/modular route and you would be required to show at least 5yrs of relevant documented experience.
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i have never ruled out the opiton of military but if i could get into civil avation that would a bonus. The only problem i have is i stay in scotland and there aint many avation engineering courses around up here which means i would have to move.
Another question i have is, are there many jobs available once i would be qualified or is it like airline pilots at the minute where the pilots are actually paying to sit in the cockpit?
Another question i have is, are there many jobs available once i would be qualified or is it like airline pilots at the minute where the pilots are actually paying to sit in the cockpit?
more info...look here...
Air Service Training (AST) :: Approved Category B Basic Course
or why not write to Loganair
Careers :: Engineers - Loganair
Services :: Engineering - Loganair
Alex Williamson (the engineering boss-man) is pretty approachable
(I used to work with him a few years back....its' a small world);
and Mr Genghis, its IEng that we're eligible for,upon joining the RAES.
http://www.raes.org.uk/cms/uploaded/files/GCAA1.pdf
Section 6.3.2 of the Incorporated Engineer chapter of the Engineering Council's Standards and
Routes to Registration, 3rd Edition (SARTOR 3) which is now replaced by UK-SPEC, authorises the
Royal Aeronautical Society to assess licensed aircraft maintenance engineers for Incorporated
Engineer registration through a special alternative route, recognising that their formation does not
follow the standard model cited elsewhere in SARTOR/UK-SPEC.
The special route to registration continues for appropriately experienced licensed aircraft maintenance
engineers holding Category B1, B2 or C JAR-66 licences to register as Incorporated Engineers.
This route has been maintained, not withstanding the increased educational standard of an ordinary
degree, on the basis of the final outputs, i.e. equating a JAR-66 Cat B1 or Cat B2 licence holder who
has held authorisations for typically three years with a graduate of an ordinary degree with three
years’ appropriate Initial Professional Development. This does not mean to say that the licence is
equivalent to a three-year degree, but that the nature of acquiring and applying authorisations meets
the same professional output standards as Incorporated Engineers who have achieved their
Routes to Registration, 3rd Edition (SARTOR 3) which is now replaced by UK-SPEC, authorises the
Royal Aeronautical Society to assess licensed aircraft maintenance engineers for Incorporated
Engineer registration through a special alternative route, recognising that their formation does not
follow the standard model cited elsewhere in SARTOR/UK-SPEC.
The special route to registration continues for appropriately experienced licensed aircraft maintenance
engineers holding Category B1, B2 or C JAR-66 licences to register as Incorporated Engineers.
This route has been maintained, not withstanding the increased educational standard of an ordinary
degree, on the basis of the final outputs, i.e. equating a JAR-66 Cat B1 or Cat B2 licence holder who
has held authorisations for typically three years with a graduate of an ordinary degree with three
years’ appropriate Initial Professional Development. This does not mean to say that the licence is
equivalent to a three-year degree, but that the nature of acquiring and applying authorisations meets
the same professional output standards as Incorporated Engineers who have achieved their
registration by other routes.
(thats' if there's a proposer and seconder locally,which is why I'm not registered yet)
Job availability depends very much on the market forces,but as someone esle has said, there's not many youngsters out there to replace us old gits when we retire shortly.
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Jamie,
sorry for the ambiguity, with "the lad is just 18 and needs his 4 and a bit years to even become licensed." If you give the CAA ELGD a looking over you will see that there are a number of options/routes into becoming an engineer.
While there are exceptions to the rule, special courses, apprenticeships etc, there is a requirement to demonstrate four and a half years experience on aircraft and be over 21 years old. Like I said there are exceptions, some courses require less practice experience, list options go on.... coming back to my original post, to clarify... were you to decide for any number of reasons to go down the military route you would get your time on spanners, however due to changes in the regulatory standard when coming into the commercial sector from the military as well as having passed all your exams you would need one years experience from the commercial sector.
As for your question about availability of jobs... well I don't know any licensed engineers who are out of work that are willing to move about, and that is something that you may want to consider if you want to enter the Helicopter world.
Aberdeen is "fairly" stable a place to work with it's cycles of people moving hangars, changing overalls and the occasional cycle like we have just seen where people have been made redundant, but it is probably the most stable market of size in the UK. However moving job normally means moving house as a helicopter engineer, or working away from home. This may sound a bit like the "you should start a pensions" lecture, and at 17 it may not mean a lot to you but at some stage in your life you may meet someone nice you want to live with; all this means you may end up working away from home, or moving home with every job change.
All that aside, its not a bad job and can be a great deal of fun.
sorry for the ambiguity, with "the lad is just 18 and needs his 4 and a bit years to even become licensed." If you give the CAA ELGD a looking over you will see that there are a number of options/routes into becoming an engineer.
While there are exceptions to the rule, special courses, apprenticeships etc, there is a requirement to demonstrate four and a half years experience on aircraft and be over 21 years old. Like I said there are exceptions, some courses require less practice experience, list options go on.... coming back to my original post, to clarify... were you to decide for any number of reasons to go down the military route you would get your time on spanners, however due to changes in the regulatory standard when coming into the commercial sector from the military as well as having passed all your exams you would need one years experience from the commercial sector.
As for your question about availability of jobs... well I don't know any licensed engineers who are out of work that are willing to move about, and that is something that you may want to consider if you want to enter the Helicopter world.
Aberdeen is "fairly" stable a place to work with it's cycles of people moving hangars, changing overalls and the occasional cycle like we have just seen where people have been made redundant, but it is probably the most stable market of size in the UK. However moving job normally means moving house as a helicopter engineer, or working away from home. This may sound a bit like the "you should start a pensions" lecture, and at 17 it may not mean a lot to you but at some stage in your life you may meet someone nice you want to live with; all this means you may end up working away from home, or moving home with every job change.
All that aside, its not a bad job and can be a great deal of fun.
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Ivor, I stand corrected and education (and think it's entirely appropriate by the way).
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As others have said Jamie, read the Engineers Licence Guide Document on the CAA website. This tells you the basic requirements and the routes to gain an "A", "B1" or "B2" AMEL. For the "B" tickets, that allow you to issue Certify Release to Service certificates in the tech log of an aircraft or base maintenance CRS (WITH the correct aircraft type ratings and company approval from the quality department of the PART 145 organisation you work for), it is going to take you 5 years of experience proof, including passing all the theroretical exams (17 for a B1, a couple less for B2) before the CAA will think about issuing a ticket, if you take the exams via self study. If you did a full time 147 course like the ones advertised by AST, LRTT, KLM Tech College, etc (two years in length) the minimum requirement of experience is two years working in a PART 145 organisation. The CAA do exempt experience time off for persons who have a suitable and proven record of military aircraft experience, but they still must do a year minimum, working within a PART 145 enviroment. The "A" licence is less time, but is limited on what task can be certified, and is only for self certification of these tasks(the ELGD specifies this). Some MROs seem to be starting schemes where experienced tradesmen from other sectors (such as motor mechanics) have been introduce at positions below mechanic and will receive OJT as well as oppertunities to study in a 147 based enviroment (night school). They have no time exemption.
As an afterthough, the military will soon have leased aircraft that require 145 maintenance. While 5 Sqn are sorted, Air Tanker will invariably require military licenced guys as well. If they are all seniors remains to be seen.
As an afterthough, the military will soon have leased aircraft that require 145 maintenance. While 5 Sqn are sorted, Air Tanker will invariably require military licenced guys as well. If they are all seniors remains to be seen.
