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Looking at more shift patterns than most people have had hot dinners, the 4 on 4 off is the most workable, cost effective shift pattern for a 24 hr operation. Has least of the drawbacks that most other patterns, and I like it!!!
Unless of course you know of a better one!!!
Unless of course you know of a better one!!!
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Currently on the 7 on , 3 off , 7 on 4 off pattern leading to constant fatique & forgetfullness ( accompanied by lack of hearing according to the missus ) . This pattern which seems to be the red hot favorite shift pattern as senior management would have us believe ( until the next manager steps in anyway ) has replaced the 12hour 4 on , 4 off pattern which was popular amongst the staff rostered on it .
There's been many reports discussed in recent issues of CHIRP FEEDBACK about engineers suffering fatigue from working excessive hours but for me personally I'm permanently knackered after working a normal shift without the additional overtime . I also read that in the latest issue all licensed engineers are to receive a questionaire on the subject so that an independant report can be made and to make recommendations as to good working practice. A total ban on all shift work would suit me down to the ground but I suppose that's just wishful thinking on my part . I mean who on Earth would want to give up the early rises at 5 AM or the late shifts over the weekends for the huge sums we all get paid in shift premiums ?
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There's been many reports discussed in recent issues of CHIRP FEEDBACK about engineers suffering fatigue from working excessive hours but for me personally I'm permanently knackered after working a normal shift without the additional overtime . I also read that in the latest issue all licensed engineers are to receive a questionaire on the subject so that an independant report can be made and to make recommendations as to good working practice. A total ban on all shift work would suit me down to the ground but I suppose that's just wishful thinking on my part . I mean who on Earth would want to give up the early rises at 5 AM or the late shifts over the weekends for the huge sums we all get paid in shift premiums ?
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I work 2 days 2 nights 4off and to me it is the best shift to work. Only 2 early mornings then the 2nights, which are easier to get through than 4 nights especially if you cant sleep that well during the day. I turned a job down with Rich's airline because the shift I was too work was the 7 on 3 off, 7 on 4 off and I could see it would be a killer to work.
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Dozy.........Maybe you can't sleep well during the day coz you only work 2 nights. This is my point, I think that the first and the last night on have gotta be the worst, the first coz your knackered and the last coz you want an easy night as your off tomorrow. Only working 2 nights, you only work the first and last. I think the middle 2 of four nights you will be at your most efficient.
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You may be interested to know that a survey of ALL Engineers in the UK are about to be surveyed, now is your chance....
This is from the latest CHIRP [url/http://www.chirp.co.uk[/url] feedback newsletter.....
Engineers' Working Hours
In recent issues of FEEDBACK we have published a number of reports from maintenance engineers concerned that excessive working hours could lead to fatigue-induced mistakes and errors being made in the workplace.
Following a review of CHIRP reports and other information, the Civil Aviation Authority has asked Professor Simon Folkard, of the University of Wales, Swansea, to undertake a survey of aircraft maintenance engineers' work patterns and to make recommendations as to good working practice.
The survey is being conducted independently of the CAA and this is an opportunity for engineers to contribute to this very important work. All licensed engineers will shortly be receiving a questionnaire from Professor Folkard. It is most important that as many recipients as possible take the time to complete and return the survey form, prepaid, as soon as possible to the University of Wales. Your co-operation is invaluable to the success of this initiative and is very much appreciated.
The results of the study will be placed in the public domain and further information will be published in a future issue of FEEDBACK.
This is from the latest CHIRP [url/http://www.chirp.co.uk[/url] feedback newsletter.....
Engineers' Working Hours
In recent issues of FEEDBACK we have published a number of reports from maintenance engineers concerned that excessive working hours could lead to fatigue-induced mistakes and errors being made in the workplace.
Following a review of CHIRP reports and other information, the Civil Aviation Authority has asked Professor Simon Folkard, of the University of Wales, Swansea, to undertake a survey of aircraft maintenance engineers' work patterns and to make recommendations as to good working practice.
The survey is being conducted independently of the CAA and this is an opportunity for engineers to contribute to this very important work. All licensed engineers will shortly be receiving a questionnaire from Professor Folkard. It is most important that as many recipients as possible take the time to complete and return the survey form, prepaid, as soon as possible to the University of Wales. Your co-operation is invaluable to the success of this initiative and is very much appreciated.
The results of the study will be placed in the public domain and further information will be published in a future issue of FEEDBACK.
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I work a system of annualised hours. Roughly (and in the winter it is rough) we work an averaged out 44 hours a week. This is worked out by having three weeks of days, 07:30 - 17:30 for either 4 or 5 days, followed by a week of lates which consists of 15:30 - 23:00 Mon - Thurs, 16:00 - 22:00 Fri. We also work 1 Suturday and 1 Sunday a month while on days. Summer is better with 6 days on, 8 days off for 6 weeks, followed by lates and nights which makes an average of 30 hours a week. I can tell you that in the winter I have no home life, and by early February I am completely drained. The work load has steadily increased over the years and the 'C' checks have continually run on till June or July, and now start in early October. I would much prefer a 4 x 4 shift as you at least have some time off in the winter. I am so knackered that I have turned down so much gobble (that is overtime to the uninitiated)and now don't get asked. But after working 50 hours in one week, can you blame me? Oh yes the bean counters love it, but they also expect you to carry out any domestic admin while you are on your late shift. I could go on, but I will let someone else have a shout.
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spannerhead,
I have worked nights at a previous employer. We used to have to do a 9 week stint Mon to Thurs 2000 to 0600, and even after the ninth week I still couldn't sleep that well between nights, meaning I would be absolutley knackered come Friday. That is why 2 days 2 nights is best for me.
I have worked nights at a previous employer. We used to have to do a 9 week stint Mon to Thurs 2000 to 0600, and even after the ninth week I still couldn't sleep that well between nights, meaning I would be absolutley knackered come Friday. That is why 2 days 2 nights is best for me.
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A couple of years ago I was transferred to Bristows at North Denes. Prior to my departure I was told that the shift system was 12 on 2 off, 12 on 2 off, 7 on 7 off.
After stopping laughing at this obvious windup I set off. What did I find,no windup
at all. I wasn't sorry to see the back of that place.
o
After stopping laughing at this obvious windup I set off. What did I find,no windup
at all. I wasn't sorry to see the back of that place.
o
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4 on 4 off rules. I did a period of the same but with 2 sets of days and 2 sets of nights, but it didn't seem as good as 4 days, 4 off, 4 nights, 4 off.
I did do a couple of good shifts in the RAF - 2 weeks on (1 days and 1 nights) followed by 2 off (oh yes) or my main one where there were 3 shifts and we worked 8 hour shifts.
1 week of days, 1 week of evenings, then the shift split in two. 1 half worked a weekend, the other half had time off. Then the half that worked the weekend had a week off and the half that previously was off, worked nights. This meant that every weekend was a long one unless you worked and you had one week off in six. Each shift was only 8 hours long and it was the best thing I have ever been involved in - hard to imagine that it was dreamt up by the military, but there you go.
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I did do a couple of good shifts in the RAF - 2 weeks on (1 days and 1 nights) followed by 2 off (oh yes) or my main one where there were 3 shifts and we worked 8 hour shifts.
1 week of days, 1 week of evenings, then the shift split in two. 1 half worked a weekend, the other half had time off. Then the half that worked the weekend had a week off and the half that previously was off, worked nights. This meant that every weekend was a long one unless you worked and you had one week off in six. Each shift was only 8 hours long and it was the best thing I have ever been involved in - hard to imagine that it was dreamt up by the military, but there you go.
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I have been working in Sweden for the last 6 years. Overhere there seems to be 3 dominant shift paterns. Trafic related (mostly charter ops), 5 on 5 off, and a more complex pattern with varying start and finsh times, shift lengh and weekend work.
After 15 years in the buisness I can wholeheartely say that there are as many “ideal` shift patterns as there are engineers.
In the interrest of flight safety and with a bit of insight into human factors isn“t it time that we all start putting pressure on our local airworthiness agenzies to get a system to regulate our working hours in the same manner as the pilots have, this would of course have to count night/evening time at double rate. I know that this might seem a bit communistic, especially for those of our collauges that are full time contractors, but it would eliminate those rediculous 12 hours night shift with 4 hours overtime followed by another 12 hour night, I think we have all tried this, and I think we have all expeirenced not being able to remember what we did 10 minutes earlier.
After 15 years in the buisness I can wholeheartely say that there are as many “ideal` shift patterns as there are engineers.
In the interrest of flight safety and with a bit of insight into human factors isn“t it time that we all start putting pressure on our local airworthiness agenzies to get a system to regulate our working hours in the same manner as the pilots have, this would of course have to count night/evening time at double rate. I know that this might seem a bit communistic, especially for those of our collauges that are full time contractors, but it would eliminate those rediculous 12 hours night shift with 4 hours overtime followed by another 12 hour night, I think we have all tried this, and I think we have all expeirenced not being able to remember what we did 10 minutes earlier.
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Most major airlines over here are 8 hours, either fixed days off or rotating days off, and fixed shifts. Some are more progressive with ten hour shifts, but few ever rotate shifts.
First 8 (or ten hours, depending on shift) is straight time, next four hours at 1.5T overtime, then 2T after that.
Myself, I'm envious of United's ten hour/rotating days off schedule. five tens/three days off, the some four tens/four days off. More time away from the mismanagement.
Have y'all ever considered unionizing?
First 8 (or ten hours, depending on shift) is straight time, next four hours at 1.5T overtime, then 2T after that.
Myself, I'm envious of United's ten hour/rotating days off schedule. five tens/three days off, the some four tens/four days off. More time away from the mismanagement.
Have y'all ever considered unionizing?
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Redtail - the largest 'unionised' Engineer workforce in the UK industry is at BA, & some guys there work 7 on, 3 off, 7 on, 4 off, earlies & lates!
Some loons even like it! (back in Airtours/BOAC/BEA days etc etc ramble ramble types).
All for having a union tho' , just so long as it's the right one.
Some loons even like it! (back in Airtours/BOAC/BEA days etc etc ramble ramble types).
All for having a union tho' , just so long as it's the right one.
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I work permanent night shift 2on 1 off 2on 4 off. I`m sick of feeling rooted on my days off and constantly fatigued at work. By the time you adjust your body its time to get back into nights again. Management just says that "night shift suits the needs of the business". Stuff the guys.
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I have worked both 4 days,4 off,4 nights,4 off, and 2 days,2 nights 4 off. I can say that 2/2/4 is much my preferred shift, only two early mornings then a lie in, followed by just two nights. I usually found four early mornings in a row were more tiring that the nights. I'll stick with the lie in after two days. Current shift pay for 2/2/4 is around £6.5K
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Yours must be poo cos for rotating days/nights ie 2 days, 2 nights, 4 off we get £5.1K on the line. I think the hangar guys get a better deal than us line boys though. on the subject of pattern preferences, I reckon the 2 days 2 nights 4 off pattern is the best. The boss is trying to get us to do some kind of stupid 7 on 3 off, 7 on 4 off or 6 on 3 off pattern covering 24 hours with earlies and lates. Sounds like sh!te to me though.
Yours must be poo cos for rotating days/nights ie 2 days, 2 nights, 4 off we get £5.1K on the line. I think the hangar guys get a better deal than us line boys though. on the subject of pattern preferences, I reckon the 2 days 2 nights 4 off pattern is the best. The boss is trying to get us to do some kind of stupid 7 on 3 off, 7 on 4 off or 6 on 3 off pattern covering 24 hours with earlies and lates. Sounds like sh!te to me though.