Air NZ set to fly Australian routes
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Air NZ set to fly Australian routes
Fri "Melbourne Age" 9/8/02
Air NZ set to fly Australian routes
By Sophie Douez
Canberra
August 9 2002
Australia and New Zealand yesterday finalised formal arrangements for an "open skies" agreement that will allow Air New Zealand to fly Australian domestic routes.
The deal, which formalises a memorandum of understanding signed by the two countries in November 2000, allows Australian and NZ airlines to operate as many flights as they like on any route. Qantas already flies domestic routes in New Zealand.
Transport Minister John Anderson said he believed Air NZ was in a position to grow, despite the collapse last year of its Australian subsidiary, Ansett.
"Air New Zealand, as a core operation, has always been a very fine little airline and one that I have a very high regard for," Mr Anderson said. "It's back to a position where its passenger numbers are recovering."
Acting New Zealand Transport Minister Judith Tizard said the two countries needed to work to maintain a sound ongoing relationship in regard to aviation.
She said New Zealand had sought less restrictive air service arrangements for several years.
"Australia is our most important market in terms of inbound tourism and also a destination for New Zealand travellers," Ms Tizard said.
"(The treaty) allows both sides of the Tasman to operate services beyond the other country, over any routing they choose, and with as many flights as they like."
Australia and New Zealand have taken more than a decade to develop the open-skies agreement. In 1994, before the float of Qantas, then prime minister Paul Keating blocked plans for an open-skies agreement with New Zealand because of concerns about whether Qantas could maintain its market share.
Qantas is interested in buying a 25 per cent stake in Air New Zealand, a prospect that is meeting with much opposition across the Tasman.
Mr Anderson said the Australian Government regarded the proposition as a commercial arrangement and would not be assisting the deal.
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Fri "Sydney Morning Herald" 9/8/02
No interference in the air - so far
August 9 2002
At least Qantas's tilt for a stake in Air NZ is free of political turbulence.
The mood may be darkening across the Tasman on Qantas's efforts to buy into Air New Zealand but, this time, the respective governments aren't, at this stage, getting in the way.
Australia and New Zealand yesterday signed an open skies agreement, which allows Qantas and Air New Zealand to fly freely between the two countries and to set up operations on the other's patch. This formalises the memorandum of understanding in place since November 2000.
So a stroke of the pen has removed one of the legal obstacles to Qantas getting its hands on a quarter share of its troubled New Zealand counterpart for about $400 million.
Shares in Qantas were up 11c to $4.71 as investors once again started to think about all those lovely synergies - about $100 million's worth - the airline could enjoy through an alliance.
Back in the Land of the Long White Cloud, forces opposing the deal are making their feelings well and truly known. Former Air New Zealand chief executive Jim Scott suggested in a newspaper article it would be one of the "dumbest" moves (and that's saying something) in the country's commercial history.
Former Air New Zealand chairman Jim Farmer has also weighed in against Qantas in recent days.
There hasn't been much more noise about a new arrival in the Australian aviation market in the past few days. Transport minister John Anderson was asked yesterday about Singapore Air but replied that while the Government, bless its cotton socks, encouraged competition, it had entertained no "formal" approaches.
Air NZ set to fly Australian routes
By Sophie Douez
Canberra
August 9 2002
Australia and New Zealand yesterday finalised formal arrangements for an "open skies" agreement that will allow Air New Zealand to fly Australian domestic routes.
The deal, which formalises a memorandum of understanding signed by the two countries in November 2000, allows Australian and NZ airlines to operate as many flights as they like on any route. Qantas already flies domestic routes in New Zealand.
Transport Minister John Anderson said he believed Air NZ was in a position to grow, despite the collapse last year of its Australian subsidiary, Ansett.
"Air New Zealand, as a core operation, has always been a very fine little airline and one that I have a very high regard for," Mr Anderson said. "It's back to a position where its passenger numbers are recovering."
Acting New Zealand Transport Minister Judith Tizard said the two countries needed to work to maintain a sound ongoing relationship in regard to aviation.
She said New Zealand had sought less restrictive air service arrangements for several years.
"Australia is our most important market in terms of inbound tourism and also a destination for New Zealand travellers," Ms Tizard said.
"(The treaty) allows both sides of the Tasman to operate services beyond the other country, over any routing they choose, and with as many flights as they like."
Australia and New Zealand have taken more than a decade to develop the open-skies agreement. In 1994, before the float of Qantas, then prime minister Paul Keating blocked plans for an open-skies agreement with New Zealand because of concerns about whether Qantas could maintain its market share.
Qantas is interested in buying a 25 per cent stake in Air New Zealand, a prospect that is meeting with much opposition across the Tasman.
Mr Anderson said the Australian Government regarded the proposition as a commercial arrangement and would not be assisting the deal.
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Fri "Sydney Morning Herald" 9/8/02
No interference in the air - so far
August 9 2002
At least Qantas's tilt for a stake in Air NZ is free of political turbulence.
The mood may be darkening across the Tasman on Qantas's efforts to buy into Air New Zealand but, this time, the respective governments aren't, at this stage, getting in the way.
Australia and New Zealand yesterday signed an open skies agreement, which allows Qantas and Air New Zealand to fly freely between the two countries and to set up operations on the other's patch. This formalises the memorandum of understanding in place since November 2000.
So a stroke of the pen has removed one of the legal obstacles to Qantas getting its hands on a quarter share of its troubled New Zealand counterpart for about $400 million.
Shares in Qantas were up 11c to $4.71 as investors once again started to think about all those lovely synergies - about $100 million's worth - the airline could enjoy through an alliance.
Back in the Land of the Long White Cloud, forces opposing the deal are making their feelings well and truly known. Former Air New Zealand chief executive Jim Scott suggested in a newspaper article it would be one of the "dumbest" moves (and that's saying something) in the country's commercial history.
Former Air New Zealand chairman Jim Farmer has also weighed in against Qantas in recent days.
There hasn't been much more noise about a new arrival in the Australian aviation market in the past few days. Transport minister John Anderson was asked yesterday about Singapore Air but replied that while the Government, bless its cotton socks, encouraged competition, it had entertained no "formal" approaches.
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Generally,it sounds like there is room for another player in the australian skies.Some beancounters,asian or otherwise,must think so.Might be worthwhile operating an internal leg before going back across the tasman,duty hours wouldn't be strained.
Interesting times ahead as someone can see a void that will pay.
Interesting times ahead as someone can see a void that will pay.
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What a pillock!
"Air New Zealand, as a core operation, has always been a very fine little airline and one that I have a very high regard for," Mr Anderson said. "It's back to a position where its passenger numbers are recovering."
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Should HelenGrad successfully block the QF purchase into ANZ then I personally will be very pleased, the last thing ANZ deserves is further financial security.
This is ironic as despite my well founded ill towards my former employer (or so they called themselves for a time) even blind freddy can see there is a strong buisness case for an ANZ/QF partnership.
Unfortunately, it would appear that once again small airline syndrome will win through and ANZ will stave off the evil rat in yet another vain attempt to become more than just a regional carrier with a bit of international flag waving.
Something in me wants to say that I hope they do reject QF and that QF stomps them into obllivion, or better still, takes them over and then unceremoniously dumps them into administration, but maybe I had better keep that to myself...............
This is ironic as despite my well founded ill towards my former employer (or so they called themselves for a time) even blind freddy can see there is a strong buisness case for an ANZ/QF partnership.
Unfortunately, it would appear that once again small airline syndrome will win through and ANZ will stave off the evil rat in yet another vain attempt to become more than just a regional carrier with a bit of international flag waving.
Something in me wants to say that I hope they do reject QF and that QF stomps them into obllivion, or better still, takes them over and then unceremoniously dumps them into administration, but maybe I had better keep that to myself...............
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Is this the same as the Open Skies Agreement that was signed several years ago that got cancelled by the infamous late night fax, or is this the Open Skies Agreement that is actually going to get honoured this time?
Gosh it's all so "deja vu"
Gosh it's all so "deja vu"
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It will be a cold day in hell before I ever set foot on an Air NZ aircraft. Don't care how cheap their stinking seats are.
BITTER? You bet I am!
Being stripped of a job I loved with a passion....
and as for Mr #$%*@# Anderson and his two cents worth of complete B/S....
Thanks for all your help Johnny!!
Women? We may be forgiving but we never forget!
BITTER?
You bet I am!Being stripped of a job I loved with a passion....
and as for Mr #$%*@# Anderson and his two cents worth of complete B/S....
Thanks for all your help Johnny!!
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Guys,
I think it’s about time we started to cut Air New Zealand a little slack. Why? Because at the end of the day the vast majority of people who work for the airline are innocent of any wrongdoing in the whole sorry Ansett saga. They are as responsible for the collapse as you or I. Why wish ill will upon them? Most of the people who had the capacity to influence the events of last year have either left the airline, died or were never in it in the first place.
I for one will be flying Air New Zealand if and when they come across to Australia. I hope they offer up fair competition to Qantas and I wish them well.
I am an ex-employee of Ansett. I have never worked for Air New Zealand directly. I am Australian and I am proud to say that I have some fantastic New Zealand friends.
I think it’s about time we started to cut Air New Zealand a little slack. Why? Because at the end of the day the vast majority of people who work for the airline are innocent of any wrongdoing in the whole sorry Ansett saga. They are as responsible for the collapse as you or I. Why wish ill will upon them? Most of the people who had the capacity to influence the events of last year have either left the airline, died or were never in it in the first place.
I for one will be flying Air New Zealand if and when they come across to Australia. I hope they offer up fair competition to Qantas and I wish them well.
I am an ex-employee of Ansett. I have never worked for Air New Zealand directly. I am Australian and I am proud to say that I have some fantastic New Zealand friends.
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I'm also with you.
I will NEVER set foot on an ANZ aircraft here or anywhere else in the world. I'm sure that there are squillions of Ozzies who feel the same way. I too am ex-Ansett and will be BITTER untill the day I see those incompetents go down and pay for what they have taken from me. My CAREER. I will be the first to lead a public campaign against those a@%$holes to ensure they have NO CHANCE of survival here in my homeland.
When SQ wanted to re-build Ansett some time ago THE KIWI F@%*ERS prevented it due to their greed. THEY did not have the intelligence nor the bucks to maintain a brilliant airline. Instead THEY sucked us dry, spat us out and Sh%t on thousands of hard working Australians. I know there are many factors that led to the death of ANSETT but it was ultimately THEM whom I will hold responsible for the rest of my life.
Forget it KIWIS you wont survive here. I personally guarantee it.
I'm also with you.
I will NEVER set foot on an ANZ aircraft here or anywhere else in the world. I'm sure that there are squillions of Ozzies who feel the same way. I too am ex-Ansett and will be BITTER untill the day I see those incompetents go down and pay for what they have taken from me. My CAREER. I will be the first to lead a public campaign against those a@%$holes to ensure they have NO CHANCE of survival here in my homeland.
When SQ wanted to re-build Ansett some time ago THE KIWI F@%*ERS prevented it due to their greed. THEY did not have the intelligence nor the bucks to maintain a brilliant airline. Instead THEY sucked us dry, spat us out and Sh%t on thousands of hard working Australians. I know there are many factors that led to the death of ANSETT but it was ultimately THEM whom I will hold responsible for the rest of my life.
Forget it KIWIS you wont survive here. I personally guarantee it.
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come on you guys/gals
what about when the open skies agreement was first laid on the table. who benefitted then???
qantas started flying domestic routes in nz but then when anz tried to do the same thing in aussie you guys protested and then we had to buy a ansett to fly domestic in aussie (ansett was an over priced flop even before anz got its hands on it)
get off your high horses - i suppose you won't fly cathay to support the 49ers as well???
what about when the open skies agreement was first laid on the table. who benefitted then???
qantas started flying domestic routes in nz but then when anz tried to do the same thing in aussie you guys protested and then we had to buy a ansett to fly domestic in aussie (ansett was an over priced flop even before anz got its hands on it)
get off your high horses - i suppose you won't fly cathay to support the 49ers as well???
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Bitter and twisted no. 4362789
Ahhhhh Skystar1 people get shafted in aviation everywhere all the time. What makes you so special that you thought you were immune to this phenonemon. What are you going to do if they do start flying here?!
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Good point SniperPilot.
Should we expect to see the Buster Hymans, cabin secures, skystar 1s and etceteras who LOUDLY proclaim their anti Air New Zealand vitriol amongst the FIRST in line, when the kiwis advertise job vacancies?
Or are you TRULY principled people, who will forego the opportunity of (airline) employment if offered?
Should we expect to see the Buster Hymans, cabin secures, skystar 1s and etceteras who LOUDLY proclaim their anti Air New Zealand vitriol amongst the FIRST in line, when the kiwis advertise job vacancies?
Or are you TRULY principled people, who will forego the opportunity of (airline) employment if offered?
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Wow, this is fun. All the blunt crayons and padded room types come out of the woodwork when a thread like this starts. I was upset too when Qantas walked away from the NZ operation, let it sink and then started up again a short time later with as many aussies as possible. Imagine rocking up at your old Ansett counters and getting on an Ansett 'plane with Kiwi's in all the jobs. Cry or laugh for 5 minutes but that's life, move on, get over it. You people are spooky. If someone here suggested something truly idiotic to "avenge" everything that Air NZ allegedly did and another headcase did it, would pprune face legal action? 
Kapt M
Forgive and forget-noted.
Cheap Kiwi labour,bring it on.Attacking Australian workers conditions helps our share portfolios.Look at the crewing of Aussie ships.Globalisation of the workforce-beautiful.
Kiwi management,bring that on too.That will see my QF shares soar.
The British Army described their NZ counterparts as being useless on peacekeeping missions in Bosnia.NZ SAS useful in Afganistan for digging latrines.
At least one thing still exportable,cheap Kiwi labour.
Forgive and forget-noted.
Cheap Kiwi labour,bring it on.Attacking Australian workers conditions helps our share portfolios.Look at the crewing of Aussie ships.Globalisation of the workforce-beautiful.
Kiwi management,bring that on too.That will see my QF shares soar.
The British Army described their NZ counterparts as being useless on peacekeeping missions in Bosnia.NZ SAS useful in Afganistan for digging latrines.
At least one thing still exportable,cheap Kiwi labour.