National Jet admits admits unsafe planes due to oil fumes
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Profit everytime blusky. Just look at QF $550 mil. to date a very happy Dixon. NJS adopts the same tactics keep it lean and on time, otherwise you become a bottom feeder like VB.
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Outside Loop --
You are being a little simplistic (and not a little insensitive) in suggesting that persons with chemical intolerances not pusue aviation, nor indeed engineering careers.
How would you go at answering these questions...
1. At what point in your life do you predict that you will suffer from arthritis, if at all?
2. From heart disease?
3. From mature onset diabetes?
4. Did you personally guarantee to your employer that you would not suffer an injury in a motor vehicle or sporting accident that will limit your ability to operate as a flight crew member?
5. Can you positively state that you have never lived nor worked nor visited a building of any sorth that possibly had asbestos materials?
My point being, that your requirement is ridiculous. Very few people know for sure what it is that will kill them or possibly affect them in later life. None of the people suffering from "146 fumes" would have expected that outcome when they signed on. And no-one can yet say which particular chemical intolerance it is that some 146 personnel are suffering from.
Moreover, most pilots would be hoping to have about a 40 year aviation career. I am 7 years in, so the aeroplane that I will be flying just before I retire is possibly not yet on the drawing board. Who knows what electrical/hydraulic/etc systems it will use? Should I disqualify myself now, just in case I may find that a new HUD system installed 10 years from now may cause mild diahorreah?
You are being a little simplistic (and not a little insensitive) in suggesting that persons with chemical intolerances not pusue aviation, nor indeed engineering careers.
How would you go at answering these questions...
1. At what point in your life do you predict that you will suffer from arthritis, if at all?
2. From heart disease?
3. From mature onset diabetes?
4. Did you personally guarantee to your employer that you would not suffer an injury in a motor vehicle or sporting accident that will limit your ability to operate as a flight crew member?
5. Can you positively state that you have never lived nor worked nor visited a building of any sorth that possibly had asbestos materials?
My point being, that your requirement is ridiculous. Very few people know for sure what it is that will kill them or possibly affect them in later life. None of the people suffering from "146 fumes" would have expected that outcome when they signed on. And no-one can yet say which particular chemical intolerance it is that some 146 personnel are suffering from.
Moreover, most pilots would be hoping to have about a 40 year aviation career. I am 7 years in, so the aeroplane that I will be flying just before I retire is possibly not yet on the drawing board. Who knows what electrical/hydraulic/etc systems it will use? Should I disqualify myself now, just in case I may find that a new HUD system installed 10 years from now may cause mild diahorreah?
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ITCZ hope you're correct about the aircraft you fly at the end of your career not being on the drawing boards yet.
In 20 years, I'm yet to fly a type that wasn't on the drawing boards when I started flying. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
In 20 years, I'm yet to fly a type that wasn't on the drawing boards when I started flying. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
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ICTZ, tonight half the F/A's [NJS] are out getting utterely blind on p!ss and ciggies so that Operations in ADL will get the standard early morning call-in ["We're sick"].. .Those darlings should send their CV's to Goose at VB. ' birds of a feather eh ! 
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Why don't NJS consider the mods that AN carried out? They were pretty effective, as well as the shift from Mobil Jet 1 to Mobil 291 (or 293 or whatever it was called). A very rare occurence after the mod, as long as carbon filters were replaced when required.
And yes, I know the smell very well, fortunately that's all it ever was to me. Like some other bad smells I've experienced in life, it can make you feel pretty crook if it's strong enough!
Also curious as to why you could sit there paxing on a different manufacturers aircraft, smelling the same thing, which is VERY distinctive, and there were never any complaints from those crew.
(Pls spare me the "Oh it must have been ingested avtur fumes" or such, there is a HUGE difference to any nose!)
And yes, I know the smell very well, fortunately that's all it ever was to me. Like some other bad smells I've experienced in life, it can make you feel pretty crook if it's strong enough!
Also curious as to why you could sit there paxing on a different manufacturers aircraft, smelling the same thing, which is VERY distinctive, and there were never any complaints from those crew.
(Pls spare me the "Oh it must have been ingested avtur fumes" or such, there is a HUGE difference to any nose!)
