Nomad on the beach
Grandpa Aerotart
Yup Torres the IAT ones were the ones I remember derilict at BK when I was learning to fly in 1980/81ish.
Ahh old RDB was 'my' Twotter at Wau when I first went on the type in 1989, she was indeed a great aircraft. Lighter on the controls than a -300 but climb almost as well...certainly better than any other -200 that Talair ever owned.
As you no doubt remember Wau was a mostly 'freight base', hauling coffee out of the strips and 'stuff' into them. I used to fly her mostly with just the front row of seats in(to control CofG) and the fold ups that were along the rear bulkhead and the three fold up side saddle ones on the starboard side rear cabin. The 'loading system' was put nothing much in the nose locker, very little in the tail locker and the rest evenly in the cabin behind the first row of seats
I onced pulled 2000kgs of coffee out of Heiwini in RDB to Aseki with just enough fuel to get home to Wau safely. Just needed a little more than 'normal' flaps on take-off...and I was half way to Aseki before I milked them back to 0 <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
What's a -200 worth these days, if you can find a good one? 1/2 mill US? Would think the -200 compares very favourably with a Nomad price wise and it's 4 times the aeroplane!
Chuck.
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Ahh old RDB was 'my' Twotter at Wau when I first went on the type in 1989, she was indeed a great aircraft. Lighter on the controls than a -300 but climb almost as well...certainly better than any other -200 that Talair ever owned.
As you no doubt remember Wau was a mostly 'freight base', hauling coffee out of the strips and 'stuff' into them. I used to fly her mostly with just the front row of seats in(to control CofG) and the fold ups that were along the rear bulkhead and the three fold up side saddle ones on the starboard side rear cabin. The 'loading system' was put nothing much in the nose locker, very little in the tail locker and the rest evenly in the cabin behind the first row of seats
I onced pulled 2000kgs of coffee out of Heiwini in RDB to Aseki with just enough fuel to get home to Wau safely. Just needed a little more than 'normal' flaps on take-off...and I was half way to Aseki before I milked them back to 0 <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
What's a -200 worth these days, if you can find a good one? 1/2 mill US? Would think the -200 compares very favourably with a Nomad price wise and it's 4 times the aeroplane!
Chuck.
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sheesh chuck...im impressed 2T out of Heiwini!!!
i used to pucker every time i went there...but then again in the good 'ol days they probably cut the grass!
Remember Jim the 185 misso pilot from Wau? hes got sum good tales
i used to pucker every time i went there...but then again in the good 'ol days they probably cut the grass!
Remember Jim the 185 misso pilot from Wau? hes got sum good tales
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em nau!
yip still getting round in P2-SEQ or at least was a couple of years ago
i had the (dis) pleasure of belting round in another ex Talair balus whilst i was there C206 P2-SEH (different rego now tho)...still had a DCA sticker in the flight manual allowing 8 pax on bench seats...was tough work with a two blade prop...richard wanted to swap it for the three blade he had on his 185 at the time!
yip still getting round in P2-SEQ or at least was a couple of years ago
i had the (dis) pleasure of belting round in another ex Talair balus whilst i was there C206 P2-SEH (different rego now tho)...still had a DCA sticker in the flight manual allowing 8 pax on bench seats...was tough work with a two blade prop...richard wanted to swap it for the three blade he had on his 185 at the time!
Jim Bloom! Remember him well.
VH-GKR/P2-RDB was a very early serial number (actually a -100 with the extended nose cone mod) and was reputed to be an early hand built version, hence the very light weight.
Not sure on DHC6-200 prices but should be well under US$500K I would think. The -20 engines are a problem getting parts. Even -300's are only US$750K plus I think. (Anticipate a comment/correction here from nasa... )
I remember the Pilatus PC6BH2 Porter loading system for coffee into Wau. Fill cabin with bags of coffee until roof high/cabin full.... The Porter was heavily penalised by DCA - if I remember correctly the Aussie gross weight was only 4,800 pounds whereas the US military operated at 6,100 pounds.
VH-GKR/P2-RDB was a very early serial number (actually a -100 with the extended nose cone mod) and was reputed to be an early hand built version, hence the very light weight.
Not sure on DHC6-200 prices but should be well under US$500K I would think. The -20 engines are a problem getting parts. Even -300's are only US$750K plus I think. (Anticipate a comment/correction here from nasa...
)I remember the Pilatus PC6BH2 Porter loading system for coffee into Wau. Fill cabin with bags of coffee until roof high/cabin full.... The Porter was heavily penalised by DCA - if I remember correctly the Aussie gross weight was only 4,800 pounds whereas the US military operated at 6,100 pounds.
Grandpa Aerotart
Well that answers the question why it always flew better than the other ex TAA -200/100s! I always thought Bravo had must have been built on a Monday about mid morning, as opposed to Echo and Foxtrot which seemed to have been born about Friday at 1659!
I 'lifted' the old TAA stamped crash axe but lost it too in Rabaul <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
Thankfully my experience of 206s in PNG was VERY limited. Flew SIA (Turbo Robertson STOL) and SEK (pre talair and a piece of junk), BMU(ex SEJ),CJK(a late model privately owned) and KRM(training mission pilot ex Kerema on loan from Talair, also late model)
Still I think we've hijacked the thread a bit, we are supposed to be slagging Nomads
Anymore news about the beached one...or have things gone very quiet for a reason?
Chuck.
PS Torres I think more like 1.1 mill US+ for a good -300.
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I 'lifted' the old TAA stamped crash axe but lost it too in Rabaul <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
Thankfully my experience of 206s in PNG was VERY limited. Flew SIA (Turbo Robertson STOL) and SEK (pre talair and a piece of junk), BMU(ex SEJ),CJK(a late model privately owned) and KRM(training mission pilot ex Kerema on loan from Talair, also late model)
Still I think we've hijacked the thread a bit, we are supposed to be slagging Nomads
Anymore news about the beached one...or have things gone very quiet for a reason?
Chuck.
PS Torres I think more like 1.1 mill US+ for a good -300.
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You said:-
"Yup Torres the IAT ones were the ones I remember derilict at BK when I was learning to fly in 1980/81ish."
I seem to recall 3 brightly painted N24's (One red, one blue - and I forget the third aircraft's colour)in a hangar at Madang. That would have been around 1983.(+/-).
Do you think these are the same airframes?
You said:-
"Yup Torres the IAT ones were the ones I remember derilict at BK when I was learning to fly in 1980/81ish."
I seem to recall 3 brightly painted N24's (One red, one blue - and I forget the third aircraft's colour)in a hangar at Madang. That would have been around 1983.(+/-).
Do you think these are the same airframes?
Grandpa Aerotart
Probably.......it was a while back, my memory could easy be out by a couple of years. I was dicking around BK from December 1980 till about mid 1986 between PPL/CPL/Instructors Rating/part time Instructing and generally wannabee mode of behaviour 1.
Chuck.
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I flew the Nomad on RPT and charter and loved it. The airplane compared more to an Islander or Trislander than a Twin Otter, which was in a totally different class. The Nomad would lift 12 pax out of short, grass strips and put them back again safely. Engine failures were easy, the performance of the airplane was much better than other light airplanes, and the single engine ceiling was higher, allowing IFR with few restrictions. It was noisy inside at high power, but cruised fast and quiet. STOL performance was better than the Otter, and we even carried a hostess who served beer and snacks to the passengers, none of whom made any complaint to me or the company about the airplane.
When I read the comments from some of you guys it makes me sad that the "tall poppy" syndrome, or whatever it is that makes an Aussie bash anything that comes from Aus, is so prevalent. I really had a higher regard for the intelligence of pilots, and am disappointed to find I am wrong.
When I read the comments from some of you guys it makes me sad that the "tall poppy" syndrome, or whatever it is that makes an Aussie bash anything that comes from Aus, is so prevalent. I really had a higher regard for the intelligence of pilots, and am disappointed to find I am wrong.
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SOUNDS STRANGE BUT WHAT THE HELL WE'RE ALL HUMAN
AT LEAST NO ONE WAS INJURED. GOOD ON THE PILOT FOR GETTING IT DOWN SAFELY.HOWEVER MUST ALWAYS PREFLIGHT PROPERLY..... [quote] <hr></blockquote> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0">
AT LEAST NO ONE WAS INJURED. GOOD ON THE PILOT FOR GETTING IT DOWN SAFELY.HOWEVER MUST ALWAYS PREFLIGHT PROPERLY..... [quote] <hr></blockquote> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0">
