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Hey Keg don't you guys worry about the 313kt below 8000 ft restriction re birstrike protection for the windows ?
Agree though the 767 is a pleasure in descent and the terminal area, and slows down ok if given a chance. Do you guys use a ECON descent initially ?
The 757 is a whole different story, but thats another story....
Agree though the 767 is a pleasure in descent and the terminal area, and slows down ok if given a chance. Do you guys use a ECON descent initially ?
The 757 is a whole different story, but thats another story....
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2XL, when I did a trip with BA a couple of years back, their drivers also mentioned the same speed. I had forgotten about it after that but I can't find any reference to it in any of our documentation.
I've spoken to our technical bloke and he hadn't heard of it on the 767 although was aware of it for other aircraft.
He going to give BA a call and see what he can find out.
Fairly rare for us to use an ECON descent. Depending on your CI and wieght, it can be anywhere from about 250 knots to 344!
Company SOP is to use cruise mach into 300 knots although that is crew discretion with ATC permitting.
Also, our Autothrottle and VNAV can be twitchy descending out of strong tailwinds and the QF 767s have a habit of diving for the barbers pole. An update of the path when they do that will invariably get them a couple of thousand feet low of the profile!! Again,!
Had fun into DN the other morning though. No speed control and a right circuit. Shame they are still trying to dig the thing from out of the 500' markers where I buried it!!
You shouldn't have to be flying at 0400!
I've spoken to our technical bloke and he hadn't heard of it on the 767 although was aware of it for other aircraft.
He going to give BA a call and see what he can find out.
Fairly rare for us to use an ECON descent. Depending on your CI and wieght, it can be anywhere from about 250 knots to 344!
Company SOP is to use cruise mach into 300 knots although that is crew discretion with ATC permitting.
Also, our Autothrottle and VNAV can be twitchy descending out of strong tailwinds and the QF 767s have a habit of diving for the barbers pole. An update of the path when they do that will invariably get them a couple of thousand feet low of the profile!! Again,
!Had fun into DN the other morning though. No speed control and a right circuit. Shame they are still trying to dig the thing from out of the 500' markers where I buried it!!
You shouldn't have to be flying at 0400!
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Hey Keg, the 313kt limit is in our Company Flight Crew Procedures Manual under Limitations. I'll re-check if it is also a CAA requirement or simply Boeing Directive - the memory gets foggy.
We used to use 290/.79 for descents and recently reverted back to ECON. As you correctly stated in practical terms you keep the beast on profile, as quick as you can (time=fuel=money). Some countries always impose the 250/10000 and others do not, you soon get to know (Wx, ATC, traffic excluded).
Oh yeh, I can relate to the 0400 landings as well. Practical, not pretty at times but we walk away !
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We used to use 290/.79 for descents and recently reverted back to ECON. As you correctly stated in practical terms you keep the beast on profile, as quick as you can (time=fuel=money). Some countries always impose the 250/10000 and others do not, you soon get to know (Wx, ATC, traffic excluded).
Oh yeh, I can relate to the 0400 landings as well. Practical, not pretty at times but we walk away !
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Hey Keg I was on a 763 flight into DN the other day that got driven into runway 29 pretty hard, maybe it was you
However a 4am arrival was probably QF61 from singapore??
However a 4am arrival was probably QF61 from singapore??
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Way off track on Q recruitment now but what the hey.
Jimmy, it was the night where it was 28 degrees at 0400 (apparently that is some Darwin record).
I had been pretty aggressive in the circuit but it was all looking good until I forgot to look up from my aimpoint and buried the thing right in it.
Dn tends to catch a lot of players. 200' wide runway, can't decide whether it is sloping up or down, hot, all the good stuff. I just wish I could claim some of those factors contributing to my plant but alas it was just pilot error!! It was the 62 as well!
Jimmy, it was the night where it was 28 degrees at 0400 (apparently that is some Darwin record).
I had been pretty aggressive in the circuit but it was all looking good until I forgot to look up from my aimpoint and buried the thing right in it.
Dn tends to catch a lot of players. 200' wide runway, can't decide whether it is sloping up or down, hot, all the good stuff. I just wish I could claim some of those factors contributing to my plant but alas it was just pilot error!!
It was the 62 as well!
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When I click on the topic "Q recruitment", I hope to read something about Q recruitment. Silly me but there we are. As interesting as it is to read about your exploits flying 767's, I'd rather read about it under another topic, say "There I Was in my 767...." or something similar. Please, can we stick to the topic or let it die a natural death? Thanks. 
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No need to apologize Keg. Your posts are always reasonable, interesting and very helpful. It's just that there are a lot of people out there who are either going to apply to Q, are going through the Q selection process, or are waiting for the phone call from Q. Any piece of info, however small, can be most interesting and may even be helpful. It is hard enough to get any information out of 9691 ****. Not having a go at QCC3 - things are changing on a daily basis at Q and they can only react to what the company wants. That's why a forum like this that can provide info, sometimes from 'insiders', can be very beneficial. Just wanted to get things 'back on track' if possible. Cheers.
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RPPT you start the post "There I was in my 767..." and I'll contribute to it. Sound fair ? In the meantime good luck at QF, unless you are ex Ansett it could be some time for you.
Look for the Australian Airlines ads to appear shortly, and sorry QF boys it will not be you flying the 767's.
Look for the Australian Airlines ads to appear shortly, and sorry QF boys it will not be you flying the 767's.
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Thank you Keg,sorry to side track the thread,maybe should start a new:"Why are QF 767s so slow inside 30nm".ATC and other pilots would be fascinated(ATC states that if you tell a QF 767 to do a high speed descent a few minutes are lost!Explains Binoculars poor skills).
Witnessed an AIRNZ 767 pilot beautifully manage a high speed descent(340kts to 20 track miles),no speed brake,very deft energy management.AN 767 same.
Unless your piloting skills are below average there sould be no concerns for pax safety/comfort on a well managed high speed descent.
Oh yeah,have a QF interview soon,appreciate the snippets.
Witnessed an AIRNZ 767 pilot beautifully manage a high speed descent(340kts to 20 track miles),no speed brake,very deft energy management.AN 767 same.
Unless your piloting skills are below average there sould be no concerns for pax safety/comfort on a well managed high speed descent.
Oh yeah,have a QF interview soon,appreciate the snippets.
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Just thought that I'd throw a few stats up from what I can glean from 'the sytem'.
About 120 PUITs have started with QF since March this year.
Another six start in two days (although 8 November is a strange day to start!!).
Still going strong.
Also how seven contract captains and six F/Os on the books.
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About 120 PUITs have started with QF since March this year.
Another six start in two days (although 8 November is a strange day to start!!).
Still going strong.
Also how seven contract captains and six F/Os on the books.
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Apologies to RPPT,
Bulldog,
340kts till 20nm and no speed brake? I would be very interested to see that done. By my calculations you would need to be at 1500'at the 20mile mark to get it in without speed brake. Only problem is those pesky CTA steps. They didnt have an anchor did they?
Once again sorry for hijacking the post, but I am genuinely interested.
Bulldog,
340kts till 20nm and no speed brake? I would be very interested to see that done. By my calculations you would need to be at 1500'at the 20mile mark to get it in without speed brake. Only problem is those pesky CTA steps. They didnt have an anchor did they?
Once again sorry for hijacking the post, but I am genuinely interested.
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Go on Brutus try it!!Not sure if he took gear out of sequence(can that be done 767).
Sorry to divert thread maybe should start one along the lines aforementioned.
Why are QF 767s so slow inside 30nm?
Sorry to divert thread maybe should start one along the lines aforementioned.
Why are QF 767s so slow inside 30nm?
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Future Recruitment Requirements at QANTAS
Approx 30 pilots/month for the next 12 - 18 months due: fleet expansion (majority), retirements, rank upgrades.
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Approx 30 pilots/month for the next 12 - 18 months due: fleet expansion (majority), retirements, rank upgrades.
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