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northern_chique,. .Maybe your initials are R....D.....Me thinks you have this subject a little too close to heart.. .But if you're not who you may be, the pilot of GKZ on that fateful day (with the limited experience the average Kakair pilot has) conducted a successful emergency landing bearing in mind the following:. .1.Nobody was badly injured.. .2.The engine failure occured at an altitude of no higher than 1000ft.. .3.The pilot was inadequately trained by the inadequate CP on emergency procedures.. .So before you start threatening people on this site, maybe you should think twice. Big brother is out there (HERE).. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
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Oh, I forgot!! It was an EDP failure, which absolved pilot error, but the CP (what a guy) sacked the pilot anyway. Maybe the CP should think about his experience regarding training of junior pilots a little more carefully and realise his responsibilities as CP.!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />
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Hey Northern Chique, calm down, you haven't worked under him, he is tough and ruthless (one day soon he will be rough and toothless, if C**** M***** has his way).. .But in defence of her, no she is not R**** D****** at all, far from it.. .But Skidmark you are right, it was an EDP failure, and Bull musn't have trained him properly, as if he was he would have put the Aux pump on, but even if he HAD been taught that, his course of action may have proven to be a better one.. .Put yourself in the pilots spot, you're a low time pilot, doing low level scenics, not trained in a low level course, and no training from the CP, you have an engine failure at low level, and your perfomance becomes that of the common house brick (ie, you're going down FAST). What would you do if you only had a few seconds to do something, would you look at your fuel, mags, master, pumps etc, or would you try to save your life by finding a suitable area to land the sucker.. .Now admitadly this is how the majority of people would view the situation, but our old buddy here didn't see it that way, all he saw was, the stupid low time pilots didn't turn on the Aux pump, and because of it, i've got a blemish next to my name.. .I think that being the CP of a company with low time pilots, you are obliged to train them properly and teach them all that you know, and not blame them when something goes wrong.. .It will eventually come back on him, after all, there are alot of pilots he has p***** off in the past, and if he wants to get himself a REAL GA job then he's got buckleys. He had a chance with the police airwing, but it seems a single engine turbine is too hard to fly, so how is he expected to fly a twin engine turbine? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .. .(Edited for not being Perfect). . . . <small>[ 09 March 2002, 01:35: Message edited by: Mr Perfect ]</small>
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Skidmark etc, don't soil yer collective undies about it, the accident happened, end story. . . </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">It was an EDP failure, which absolved pilot error....</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Everyone here has the benefit of hindsight (20/20 usually), and can obviously say that they would have done differently in that situation, had they been there themselves. Some shcools of thought say that they aux (low boost) pump should be on when low, others say not. We can only hope to learn from the mistakes/misfortunes of others so as not to make them ourselves.. .. .No need for anyone to make a huge issue of it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />
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429 CJ,. .. .Not a huge issue at all except for the fact that the pilot involved was sacked(meaning big career drama)unfairly by some Bozo not exercising his delegated duties correctly. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .This bloke seems to think that he has the power to make/break careers. When in fact he is a clown!! From what I know, the pilot of GKZ at the time made his decision and stuck to it!! HE DID A GOOD JOB IN AVOIDING A CATASTROPHY. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> . .. .For the members involved at Air Ngukurr - WATCH OUT, this guy will take you down - regardless. I've never heard of him backing up an employee when the Company Director wants blood.. .. .IMHO, all pilots simply want to get the job done in the best and most professional way in order to climb the ladder. They have all spent far too much time, effort and brass to make a mistake and they know it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I'm sure you've seen this happpen time and again for those of us relegated to the GA scene and these young aspiring jocks should be praised for their dedication. . .. .Go get Joe Bloggs apprentice plumber/uni graduate to put up with this cr@p. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />
Sorry, Ive been down south for too long...... .. .So R D sacks this poor bloke who was obviously a little shaken after the incident which would no doubt have pleased Kakadu Bob, then why did R D leave the company and how did he end up where he is today?. .. .Northern_chique: threatening legal action against somebody who posts on an ANONYMOUS RUMOUR network suggests one of two things.. .1) You have something to hide or,. .2) You dont understand the spirit that this whole forum was created in.. .. .Either way - Lighten up!
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It may be prudent boys and girls to remember that even though this is an anonymous rumour forum that the lord high master has had to defend himself of some threatened legal actions. He has also closed Dunnunda from time to time to demonstrate his point, (and also is level of pi$$ed offness). .. .so.... pull your collective heads in, as the way I read N_C's post, she was doing the prudent thing and making a timely reminder to all that legal action can be taken and for all to be cautious in treading where angels fear! I didn't see her post as a threat of legal action against anyone in particular ... . .. .but then I am female and a logical one at that!. .. .Woomera, Woomera where for art though Woomera
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I believe RD left Kakair to pursue his own career with the NT Police Airwing. This didn't work out for him. Rumour has it that he couldn't make the grade on the PC12. So he went back to Wimray as a casual charter pilot.. .. .Air Ngukurr bought out Wimray, the CP was sacked by CASA, and so Air Ngukurr needed a bunny to "tow the line".. .. .Hey presto, RD is new CP for them.. .. .Here endith the lesson. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
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Voice. .. .Thank you, geez guys N C wasn't threatening legal action against anybody, just pointing out that it ain't fun from whichever side you're looking at it from.
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A casual question here guys.. .. .How can a person not make the grade on an aircraft? I can only assume the applicant was not screened properly at the interview stage. A few appropiate questions on turbine engines perhaps, a few on the CAO's and CAR's and perhaps some human factors type questions on high altitude flight.. .A far as the practical training is concerned, if a candidate fails to make the grade isn't this a reflection on the quality of instruction?. .. .Not withstanding I'm sure there are some out there that should not be let lose in an aircraft but a Police PC-12? Somethings wrong somewhere.
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Voice. .You rang?. .. .But, soft! what light through yonder tower breaks?. . It is the east, and Voice is the sun.. . Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,. . Who is already sick and pale with grief,. . That thou her maid art far more fair than she:. . Be not her maid, since she is envious;. . Her vestal livery is but sick and green. . And none but fools do wear it; cast it off.. . It is my lady, O, it is my love!. . O, that she knew she were!. . She speaks yet she says nothing: what of that?. . Her eye discourses; I will answer it.. . I am too bold, 'tis not to me she speaks:. . Two of the fairest stars in all the heaven,. . Having some business, do entreat her eyes. . To twinkle in their spheres till they return.. . What if her eyes were there, they in her head?. . The brightness of her cheek would shame those stars,. . As daylight doth a lamp; her eyes in heaven. . Would through the airy region stream so bright. . That birds would sing and think it were not night.. . See, how she leans her cheek upon her hand!. . O, that I were a glove upon that hand,. . That I might touch that cheek!. .. .Now can I have that Flight Level and clearance direct I requested please? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .To the rest of you.. .. .And on a serious note, this subject has been raised before and it would appear that since then certain events have subsequently taken place.. .. .Please discuss and contain your comments to the important issues only, names or initials are not necessary, especially in the small community in which you are.. . . . <small>[ 10 March 2002, 13:00: Message edited by: Woomera ]</small>
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gaunty and voice. .. .thank you for your upholding of my "reputation". . .. .for the record guys and gals, and those who forget the rights others have... those ten thingys where the object of my rather brief statement and the consequences of running the boundries of those thingies.. .. .Heated and poorly thought out statements have resulted previously in many of us loosing what little precious time we have on pprune. . .. .While one would hope all would retain a little professionalism, antagonistic attitudes help no one. Debate, humour and support for those involved in a very sick aviation industry, may be much better placed than to deride those unfortunate enough to get in your collective way.. .. .There may be there are no angels in this sad tale, but it doesnt help to aid in public humiliation.
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Well it looks like the focus has shifted from the old vilain to the new. Old CP has done quite a good job of pulling his head in, I think he realised that it was about to get shot off!!! . .. .What I do find interesting is the fact that someone here posted that he is a reasonable man, and thet he has been getting better than he was. That is to say he is not as dodgy as he once was. Should he be exused then for past wrongs? Maybe Osama isnt such a bad bloke because he hasent killed anyone in the last couple of months. . .. .I hear that the old CP thinks he will get his CP approval back. Oh CASA dont let this happen. Imagine if he once again rules the roost, then while he is in charge Air Nukurr has one go in. The media will have a field day "CASA were aware the chief pilot was dodgy years ago but failed to act" Yep dont let him slip through the net.. .. .Thats all for now.
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Oh well, I think we've just about flogged this one to death. Anyway, I believe that Peter Wally and prop-wash mentioned at the start of all this something about a little island to the EAST??? Could this be Groote Island????. .. .What stuff can we dig up on this lot??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
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With regards to all the concern with respect to slander and libel on this BB I seem to remember that the old USENET used to and may still be a completely unmoderated free for all. Last time I looked at it under the aus.aviation section some time back a certain well-known former chairman of CASA was refrred to in very derogatory terms. Way back in the mists of time during the Gulf war, before fancy colourful browsers (was Mosaic around then?)the old Usenet really displayed online human debauchery in every imaginable form.. .. . Ahhh the good old days!
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Hey Mr. Sniperpilot....bet you can remember this;. .. .Nah ne na nah ne na nah. Bwwillllll.. .. .(Goldeneye theme after you got killed by the golden gun). .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />
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Blah Blah Bl**dy Blah . .Same nameless, faceless, gutless ex fisherman all throwing the same mud. Maybe one day you will have the courage to face up to the people with whom you have a problem and confront them, instead of hiding behind your computer screen.. .Denigrating people in an anonymous forum is easy, coming forward and airing your grievances is not.. .I know who you are and I can name names to you know.......................... .. .Thats my two bob's worth. HH.. .. .Ps: Apologies to all the constructive contributors.. .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> " Those that can do! the others just sit back and complain" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 13 March 2002, 23:27: Message edited by: Howard Hughes ]</small>