Qantas B777
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Lanastar, that one has been doing the rounds at QF for a while now. Ever since we did the deal for the 738s the rumour mill has been in over drive about ditching the A330's and going for 777s instead.. .. .All signs point to the contrary. We have E&M guys and girls going to Toulouse shortly, we have selected the Senior checks, we are negotiating pay and conditions, we already have had the first couple of managment guys go to Toulouse for their course. . .. .Other things that could/may happen. If Boeing were to give a massive discount due to Sep 11 then you can guarantee that Airbus would be prepared to do the same so the cost side of things goes a little awry there. Further, the fact that the A330s were almost thrown in for the A380s also complicates that side of the logic.. .. .The big rumour is that we will take delivery and ship them to Boeing straight up in exchange for 777s but again, there is nothing to support that apart from 'I heard from somone who was talking to someone who overheard someone saying......'. .. .As with everything in QF, I'll believe it when I see it pushing back from the gate on it's very first revenue service.. .. .Hope that helps.
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Looks like the A330's are going ahead:. .. .Qantas buys two A330 cabin service trainers. .Sydney, 15 March 2002 : . . . .Qantas will take delivery of two A330 Cabin Service Trainers (CST) in June for the training of about 2,400 Short Haul Cabin Crew in preparation for the arrival of the Airbus A330 fleet.. .. .Qantas last week finalised the contract for the trainers with RP Technologies, a UK-based company which produces simulators and trainers. The trainer galleys will be provided by Singapore Jamco. . .. .The trainers will complement the existing Boeing 747 and 767 trainers in Sydney and the Boeing 767 and 737 trainers in Melbourne.. .. .Acting Cabin Services Group General Manager Shayne Nealon said the trainers would arrive in June with training to commence in August after installation and commissioning.. .. ."The trainers will be shipped in modules and assembled in-situ at the Sydney and Melbourne training centres. They will form a 16-metre section of fuselage with high fidelity replica cabin interior and seating for 60 passengers configured in both business and economy classes.. .. ."The galleys will be fully operational with all associated stowages, and functional equipment such as ovens and beverage makers as they will be installed in the A330 fleet.. .. ."These features will provide our staff with a highly realistic facility in which to train in all aspects of operation of cabin equipment and provide the highest possible standard of service and safety.". .. .A project of this magnitude has not been undertaken since the 747 cabin simulators were installed in 1990 for the introduction of a new fleet of Boeing 747's.. .. .Qantas has ordered 13 A330s for delivery between November this year and 2005 to provide for fleet flexibility and growth on domestic routes.
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Interesting though.. .. .Qantas still don't have (or plan to have) a modern technology aircraft that will fly 300 to 375 seat routes of 5 to 15 hours. The operating capability mix offered by the 777-200ER and the 777-300 (and from 2003 the 777-300ER) is being taken up by lots of other carriers but not by QF.. .. .Are they that much smarter than the rest? There's a big big gap between the 330 and the 380. Still, QF are one of the last major airlines in the world to operate the 747 Classic so maybe the fleet planners are just a bit slow. (like the 330).. .. .Cheers. .. .Sherm
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Maybe Sherm, but I believe it was Qantas that asked for the changes to the 747-100, that basically became the 747-200. Upper deck windows is just one example. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
767-400 in another rumour.. .. .But a few days ago a box swopper told me people are still going to France for training. . .. .Funny thing though, one of the new Senior Checks for the 330 is also on transfer to BNE base!. .. .Qantas is a public company and hold their cards very close. I don't expect to know whats going on and I work there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />
Mud Skipper, I think you can ignore any 764 rumours. No airline will go near it at this stage, and Boeing have produced a dud variant of the 767 here. More 763s are a chance though they'd probably be headed to Australian.. .. .Sherm Boy, you are right there is a large gap between the A330 and A380 and that is why they are keeping and expanding the 744 fleet. With 763s, A332s and A333s doing domestic and regional services and 744s and A380s handling long range services, the need for another type such as 777 doesn't make sense particularly as long range medium load services out of Australia are to places such as South America and South Africa where ETOPs remains an issue.
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The 777 would be an ideal aircraft for higher frequency runs SY/PH, ML/PH where the 743/744 is not efficent, and up north to Bangkok, Jakarta, Taipei, Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo etc.. .. .Having too many types in a fleet costs.. .. .I haven't seen an order for a 744 for a while, most of the orders that are to be delivered are 744Fs.. .. .The break even load factor on the A330/A340 is less than the 744, and the same or less than the 777. 777/744 are faster. The same crews can fly a A330 or A340, no can do for the 777/744.. .. .Very short conversion course from A330 to A340 (days), the A330 sim is also an A340 sim by replacing the thrust quadrant, and the fire panel (5 minute job they clip in and out). Crews can fly the A330 and A340 in the same bid period, CX do this. A 777 sim would be another US$15-20 mil.. .. .The A332 has some legs, 6600nm+ depending on the load, ie it could do JFK-NRT-SYD (250 pax). For freight you can get 45t of freight under the floor on a A330.. .. .One of the driving issues that lead SA to the 340 over the 777 was ETOPS, similar geographic isolation on routes to QF. Using a 340 over the South Americian routes would allow the operation of a 4 engine aircraft to 65S for the South African routes, and 72S for the African routes like they do on the 744. Any twin would require lower latitudes and longer trip times.. .. .The A345/A346 are becomming the choice aircraft for many operators to replace the classic 747s where ETOPS is a consideration, or on routes where a 744 load cannot be justified.. .. .The A345/A346 non stop range out of SY covers a lot of the globe. SA would be able to go non stop JNB-SY with a A346 (7500 nm 380 pax) or A345 (8500 nm 310 pax).. .. .Z
