I see. A representative sample of one. Statistically accurate, is that?
A bit like the statement further up .

The Awful Day
 

I support 6 PCs still running XP. All will have their Internet access disconnected by The Awful Day.

Then I'll sit back and see how many of the predicted horrors occur.

I wonder whether the dire predictions are partly a marketing tool to sell more-recent versions of Windows. I haven't been as faithful as I should about installing the very many patches which MS is still issuing after XP has been in use for more than a decade, but "my" PCs have been OK so far. And MS has said that they will be informing the protection software outfits about problems they find for at least another year. That won't solve the day-zero problems. How many of you have kept track of patches well enough to handle day-zero problems -- or would automatic updates from MS even be quick enough anyway?

And therein lies yet another one of those problems with mac. So not only do you have to pay premium dollars for it, if you want to run half the software out there, you then have to either dual boot and pay for another OS, or run a virtual machine and pay for another OS.

As I said earlier, you can do a lot better with your dollars than buy a MAC. The current generation of Windows OS's is in my opinion more stable than OSX (and yes, I speak from experience working with hundreds of apple devices) and you can pick up a full system for a mere fraction of the price of a mac.

Keef :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

If you had bothered to read the end of my last post, you would have seen I quite clearly noted that my original post on the matter of Ford was **NEVER** indented to be slagging-off Ford.

It was a mere figure of speech... you know... comparing cars vs comparing computers.... that sort of thing.... it was never intended to be a serious comment.

So please, do me a favour and don't take it out of context.

Thank you !

Oh Andy.

For every so-called "problem" you enjoy nitpicking and spreading FUD about Apple, I can find equal amounts (if not almost certainly more) "problems" with your beloved Windows and Linux.

So please... stop the fanboi nonsense .... if you've genuinely worked with hundreds of machines then you will know that EVERY platform has its pros and cons. There is no such thing as a perfect platform.

I too have used and maintained many Apple computers and don't share your negativity. They are solid, robust and OS X is a great OS.

But equally, there are situations where I'd choose Windows or Linux instead.... right tool for the job. But as far as home users go (which is the basis of this thread) .... there is absolutely nothing wrong with Mac and it is an excellent platform for the home user.

Apple platforms are not poor value for money..... they are no more poor value for money than a cheap POS Windows desktop you can buy from a highstreet shop. In American terminology the TCO of an Apple is not much more than the TCO of a Windows box.... there's more to life than just the acquisition cost of the device.... sounds to me like you need to learn that value does not equal price.

While you are getting yourself 'sorted', Mix, only one 'n' in pensionner':)

Heh... I knew it was a mistake to come back to this thread. I think I'm done here for good now ... I'll leave you lot of stubborn clinger-ons to stew in your own juices.

Thank you Mr Pensioner....glad you're making good use of your time proofreading people's forum posts. :cool:

With the decision to go open office I wonder if there will even be a mass migration by public office installations to another flavour. All it will take is one country to succeed and the rest will follow. The howls from the button clicking admins will be hilarious.

I suspect a mass rollout of linux desktops is more likley then they break the noose of microsoft than a mass rollout akin to y2k.

... from a representative sample of one.

Comment taken in context, however embarrassing for the commentator.

And yet you clearly forget that I am a mac user... I own several and I often recommend them to people. I do not share your bias.

TCO of a Windows Box? Am I supposed to put it in for a service every 12 months?

I see Malware Bytes claims it is going to look after those of use who refuse to be forced... :}

I'd be happy to pay 6.8 pounds for 12 months support of XP! :oh:

- it's a lousy job but someone has to do it - just think yourself lucky we pennsionners are here to keep you safe.:p

I guess that's a subtle hint that I have not yet thanked you for fighting in that war....without which I might have been German. :cool:

Anyway, guess I better make haste and go back and find and correct that spelling mistake of mine !

Appreciated, but some of us began to wonder if you were...................:)

I did enjoy that game of football at the trenches.

MAD_JOCK
 

The only problem that I've had with Open Office, was that in the version that I used (ver 3 from memory); Libre Office, was, when editing large documents i.e greater than 15 pages, Libre tended to become very slow indeed.

Note: I was using a Portable with 3 Gb of ram and a slow Dual core 1.8 GHz processor under XP or Vista + Norton or ESET and virus software.

Under Linux, the same spec P/C's things were better but still slower than Microsoft Office 2003/2007.

CAT III

Don't leave until after the final patch is released this week. That's when all the fun supposedly begins. :E

He might not be German but he drives a BMW......

Nein.... ich nein bin ein BMW driver. :cool:

I do like the Germans and their engineering prowess however.

I wouldn't say i am a power user of it so don't have a clue what open office is like.


I just read somewhere that vast quantitys of public service type organisations have gone onto it.

Linked with the fact that most other work is done via web apps i can see that from a bean counters out look a common linux desktop will seem very atractive.

Slight issues with support for a few years but then again we only used to need 20% of the support team than the button clickers needed for the same number if not slightly more machines and triple the number of users. That was on a NIS+ enterprise network.

It only used to take 2 people a week to design a roll out and we would blow down 1500 solaris boxes in one weekend. First time i saw it done i was waiting for mayhem monday morning. Not a peep from the unix users. Just the usual clueless !!!!e from the pc users.

I do like the Germans and their engineering prowess however

Which consisted in my 25 years living there of hiring English for the design department and Turkish for the labourers.

Still, the German guys at Cleverbridge in Brabanter Str Köln are doing a good job, as are the ones at The Documentation Foundation, Kaufbeuren.

Whilst we're patting German tech employees on the back, the guys on the mission critical support desks at Oracle München are also the dogs proverbials. :ok:

Each one of them knows that complex software inside out, left to right, upside down and absolutely love a good problem to chew on which they take ownership of and will ruthlessly see through until the problem is fixed. Of course they speak absolutely spotless fluent English too ! Truly some of the best vendor support I've ever had the pleasure of working with.

It was with a heavy heart I shut down my friend, Windows XP, last night, for the last time. A bit like a funeral; we'd done so much together, had a few trials along the way but overall, rock solid with no complaints.

So now I'm off on a PITA "adventure"; where's this, where's that, how do I do this, how are my elderly friends going to cope...

Apart from getting full access to my 3tb data drive, nothing's new (OK, I accept there may be some under-the-hood stuff which needed updating) so to the nerds who like re-arranging the interface every couple of years to look nice n pretty...thanks for nothing!

Well the nightly news got my wife's attention regarding the demise of XP. Of course the first question was what's XP

After explaining to her that it was what makes her computers work, she then asked what she should do about it. Simple I told her we could just replace the whole box with a new-use computer that doesn't run on XP.

She immediately replied why don't you

I advised her that she would then lose all those programs she had come to love along with all her imbedded passwords since she could never remember where she got the program from or even what her password was at the time.

She decided to keep her old computer and ignore the warning.

Well - I've just done the last XP updates so, presumably, that will last for a month. I have now managed to get a new hard drive installed in my main machine with a working, fully updated copy of XP on it and the Linux Ubuntu or maybe Linux Mint disc is just waiting to go in. If it all goes pear shaped then the old hard drive goes back and the opinion on the block seems to be to shell out for Win 7 until Microshaft issue an OS which everybody likes - er like DOS 6.22!.

P.P.

Sounds to me like typical FUD spreading by the XP clinger-on brigade. :ugh:

I'm sure if you wanted to you could have migrated your wife over to Windows 7/8 without much effort.

Only a single man could make such a statement :E

Oh the crap that comes out of people's mouthes round here !

Only a single man could make the stupid statement you have.

I really truly am done with this thread now.

Again! How many times have you promised that now, I've lost count.

OK, I apologise. It was an error of judgement and a total loss of SA.

I had come straight from Jet Blast where flippant off the cuff remarks are more or less SOP. I moved to this Board and failed to flick the switch. I had briefly forgotten that this is a very serious thread and any attempt at humor will not be well received. Again, I'm sorry. It won't happen again.

And just for the record - married 45+ years - to the same girl (and I'm still trying to get he to check her own email).

(sigh)

FOR :{

its an attribute of certain techy admin types Full.

It can get quite amusing sometimes when things don't quite go the way they should with them.

Its actually a big difference between Connys and perms.

As a conny you get over ruled with something which is blatantly stupid, and you just shrug your shoulders and move on with the knowledge that its not going to be your problem or if it does you will make a tidy sum sorting it out.

The joy of submitting your invoice at the end of the month and thinking

"h'mm that's 25 billing days, 15 mins per day sat on the throne squeezing one out. That will be over 6 hours and 300 quid, they want it they can have it"

And that can be XP or some dodgy !!!!e subnet setup and even that device of Satan an exchange server. But I did threaten to walk out when they said they were getting a Mac server on my Unix server subnet until I had seen that we had a decent cisco router coming in and I could gag the bastard into solitary confinement with its own line to the backup robot tape drive.

But some of the permys get their knickers in a right twist over things. Sometimes months after an "argument" it will be brought up even after the whole setup had been evicted from the enterprise. There are some conny's like that as well but they are really not very happy individuals and suffer from permanent failure of contract renewals.

I would disagree with you, but I have had the misfortune of setting up the latest version... :{

I even had it on my CV for my last 2 jobs as a conny.

"No knowledge what's so ever about exchange server, any mention of it by references is a complete lie"

It was asked about in interview. Only thing was the last job I ended up in for years outlasting quite a few perms. And I did end up having to fix the bloody thing though when the raid went tits up and the ickle button clickers managed to screw up pressing a button waiting for a light to stop flashing and going green. Then pulling a drive pressing another button pressing the button again and then leaving it completely alone until its happy.

That was 18 hours billable.

Thankfully the sparc2 with 1Gb of ram and a 500mb local disk was configurable in 10 seconds with a pre-prepared script to take the load and only 6 hours worth had been lost. Which I sorted for the next time by buffering 24hours to the exchange server in the future. It did happen again after I had left.

When met up with mates from that contract 4 years later they had dumped exchange. And apparently my sparc2 was still going strong. With its lead weighted keyboard, laser mouse on a mirror grid. Those Keyboards were something else you could bang nails into walls with them. It might even be still working 14 years on as I had soldered in a paper clip instead of the slow blow fuse in the power pack.

Moving XP programs to win7
 

Hi all,

Is it possible to move programs I have on Xp to Win7 such as all the Oxford cbt stuff I own, RANT XL, Bristol GS course etc.

If it's going to be impossible can anyone suggest the best way to run a dual system whereby I don't allow XP to connect to the internet. Is it best to get a new HD to install internally or just install win7 to the same internal HD as XP.

There is a lot mentioned in ealier posts but if one can skip the IT jargon that would be super. Also happy to be recommended to a decent site for a tutorial if it's to complex.

Thank you.

Its a bit of pain to be honest. What size is your current disk?

You can't just move the programs you have to reinstall them again.

If you still have all the disks etc it won't be to bad.

Mad jock

Thanks for the feedback.

I have 50 gb left out of 120 gb but I can move loads of stuff to an external that I've got. Can't really re-install as Ive got to provide unlock keys again.

I think I'll run two systems MJ. Any gotchas?

Cheers
mo

get a new large disk for internal and clone the current disk onto it.

How to Clone a Hard Disk | eHow

Then install a copy of win 7 on as a dual boot.

Then go into XP and disable the network.

its pretty easy to be honest.

Why clone
 

Thanks. Can't I just install win7 onto the new internal Hard Disk and forget about cloning the old one. i.e use 2 disks. Or am I missing something here.

mo

Your going to run out of space very quickly if your running two OS's and wanting to install programs in win7 as well.

Better to bite the bullet and get a bigger disk before you put all the effort in moving everything.

Ok got it. put everthing on one disk.

Cheers MJ

Get a new hard disk (makes life easier), install Win7 on it, and install something like VirtualBox or other virtual server software, then follow the relevant instructions to either set up a VM using the old hard disk or clone it as a virtual disk image. This method leaves your XP data intact.

That lets you run XP stuff at the same time as Win7. You can set up the networking for the XP side so it can't see the outside world too. You can use your stuff on XP until you get around to installing and configuring it on the Win7 machine. It's possible to set up folders on the Win7 machine that appear as shared drives on the XP machine so moving data between them is relatively easy if you want to copy application data across.