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A bit like the statement further up
Aah... so you're basing all your harshness towards Apple products over your very unscientific survey of one.
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I support 6 PCs still running XP. All will have their Internet access disconnected by The Awful Day.
Then I'll sit back and see how many of the predicted horrors occur.
I wonder whether the dire predictions are partly a marketing tool to sell more-recent versions of Windows. I haven't been as faithful as I should about installing the very many patches which MS is still issuing after XP has been in use for more than a decade, but "my" PCs have been OK so far. And MS has said that they will be informing the protection software outfits about problems they find for at least another year. That won't solve the day-zero problems. How many of you have kept track of patches well enough to handle day-zero problems -- or would automatic updates from MS even be quick enough anyway?
Then I'll sit back and see how many of the predicted horrors occur.
I wonder whether the dire predictions are partly a marketing tool to sell more-recent versions of Windows. I haven't been as faithful as I should about installing the very many patches which MS is still issuing after XP has been in use for more than a decade, but "my" PCs have been OK so far. And MS has said that they will be informing the protection software outfits about problems they find for at least another year. That won't solve the day-zero problems. How many of you have kept track of patches well enough to handle day-zero problems -- or would automatic updates from MS even be quick enough anyway?
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They could perhaps be doing a better job of getting the message across that by buying Mac you're not necessarily choosing between Mac or Windows.... Windows runs perfectly well on a Mac either natively (Bootcamp) or virtualised (VMWare or Parallels).
There are other areas they should highlight too.
There are other areas they should highlight too.
As I said earlier, you can do a lot better with your dollars than buy a MAC. The current generation of Windows OS's is in my opinion more stable than OSX (and yes, I speak from experience working with hundreds of apple devices) and you can pick up a full system for a mere fraction of the price of a mac.
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If you had bothered to read the end of my last post, you would have seen I quite clearly noted that my original post on the matter of Ford was **NEVER** indented to be slagging-off Ford.
It was a mere figure of speech... you know... comparing cars vs comparing computers.... that sort of thing.... it was never intended to be a serious comment.
So please, do me a favour and don't take it out of context.
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If you had bothered to read the end of my last post, you would have seen I quite clearly noted that my original post on the matter of Ford was **NEVER** indented to be slagging-off Ford.
It was a mere figure of speech... you know... comparing cars vs comparing computers.... that sort of thing.... it was never intended to be a serious comment.
So please, do me a favour and don't take it out of context.
Thank you !
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And therein lies yet another one of those problems with mac. So not only do you have to pay premium dollars for it, if you want to run half the software out there, you then have to either dual boot and pay for another OS, or run a virtual machine and pay for another OS.
For every so-called "problem" you enjoy nitpicking and spreading FUD about Apple, I can find equal amounts (if not almost certainly more) "problems" with your beloved Windows and Linux.
So please... stop the fanboi nonsense .... if you've genuinely worked with hundreds of machines then you will know that EVERY platform has its pros and cons. There is no such thing as a perfect platform.
I too have used and maintained many Apple computers and don't share your negativity. They are solid, robust and OS X is a great OS.
But equally, there are situations where I'd choose Windows or Linux instead.... right tool for the job. But as far as home users go (which is the basis of this thread) .... there is absolutely nothing wrong with Mac and it is an excellent platform for the home user.
Apple platforms are not poor value for money..... they are no more poor value for money than a cheap POS Windows desktop you can buy from a highstreet shop. In American terminology the TCO of an Apple is not much more than the TCO of a Windows box.... there's more to life than just the acquisition cost of the device.... sounds to me like you need to learn that value does not equal price.
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While you are getting yourself 'sorted', Mix, only one 'n' in pensionner'
Thank you Mr Pensioner....glad you're making good use of your time proofreading people's forum posts.
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With the decision to go open office I wonder if there will even be a mass migration by public office installations to another flavour. All it will take is one country to succeed and the rest will follow. The howls from the button clicking admins will be hilarious.
I suspect a mass rollout of linux desktops is more likley then they break the noose of microsoft than a mass rollout akin to y2k.
I suspect a mass rollout of linux desktops is more likley then they break the noose of microsoft than a mass rollout akin to y2k.
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Oh Andy.
For every so-called "problem" you enjoy nitpicking and spreading FUD about Apple, I can find equal amounts (if not almost certainly more) "problems" with your beloved Windows and Linux.
So please... stop the fanboi nonsense .... if you've genuinely worked with hundreds of machines then you will know that EVERY platform has its pros and cons. There is no such thing as a perfect platform.
I too have used and maintained many Apple computers and don't share your negativity. They are solid, robust and OS X is a great OS.
But equally, there are situations where I'd choose Windows or Linux instead.... right tool for the job. But as far as home users go (which is the basis of this thread) .... there is absolutely nothing wrong with Mac and it is an excellent platform for the home user.
Apple platforms are not poor value for money..... they are no more poor value for money than a cheap POS Windows desktop you can buy from a highstreet shop. In American terminology the TCO of an Apple is not much more than the TCO of a Windows box.... there's more to life than just the acquisition cost of the device.... sounds to me like you need to learn that value does not equal price.
For every so-called "problem" you enjoy nitpicking and spreading FUD about Apple, I can find equal amounts (if not almost certainly more) "problems" with your beloved Windows and Linux.
So please... stop the fanboi nonsense .... if you've genuinely worked with hundreds of machines then you will know that EVERY platform has its pros and cons. There is no such thing as a perfect platform.
I too have used and maintained many Apple computers and don't share your negativity. They are solid, robust and OS X is a great OS.
But equally, there are situations where I'd choose Windows or Linux instead.... right tool for the job. But as far as home users go (which is the basis of this thread) .... there is absolutely nothing wrong with Mac and it is an excellent platform for the home user.
Apple platforms are not poor value for money..... they are no more poor value for money than a cheap POS Windows desktop you can buy from a highstreet shop. In American terminology the TCO of an Apple is not much more than the TCO of a Windows box.... there's more to life than just the acquisition cost of the device.... sounds to me like you need to learn that value does not equal price.
TCO of a Windows Box? Am I supposed to put it in for a service every 12 months?
I see Malware Bytes claims it is going to look after those of use who refuse to be forced...
I'd be happy to pay 6.8 pounds for 12 months support of XP!
I see Malware Bytes claims it is going to look after those of use who refuse to be forced...
I'd be happy to pay 6.8 pounds for 12 months support of XP!
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Thank you Mr Pennsioner....glad you're making good use of your time proofreading people's forum posts.
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- it's a lousy job but someone has to do it - just think yourself lucky we pennsionners are here to keep you safe.
Anyway, guess I better make haste and go back and find and correct that spelling mistake of mine !
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I did enjoy that game of football at the trenches.
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The only problem that I've had with Open Office, was that in the version that I used (ver 3 from memory); Libre Office, was, when editing large documents i.e greater than 15 pages, Libre tended to become very slow indeed.
Note: I was using a Portable with 3 Gb of ram and a slow Dual core 1.8 GHz processor under XP or Vista + Norton or ESET and virus software.
Under Linux, the same spec P/C's things were better but still slower than Microsoft Office 2003/2007.
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Note: I was using a Portable with 3 Gb of ram and a slow Dual core 1.8 GHz processor under XP or Vista + Norton or ESET and virus software.
Under Linux, the same spec P/C's things were better but still slower than Microsoft Office 2003/2007.
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Heh... I knew it was a mistake to come back to this thread. I think I'm done here for good now ...
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I wouldn't say i am a power user of it so don't have a clue what open office is like.
I just read somewhere that vast quantitys of public service type organisations have gone onto it.
Linked with the fact that most other work is done via web apps i can see that from a bean counters out look a common linux desktop will seem very atractive.
Slight issues with support for a few years but then again we only used to need 20% of the support team than the button clickers needed for the same number if not slightly more machines and triple the number of users. That was on a NIS+ enterprise network.
It only used to take 2 people a week to design a roll out and we would blow down 1500 solaris boxes in one weekend. First time i saw it done i was waiting for mayhem monday morning. Not a peep from the unix users. Just the usual clueless ****e from the pc users.
I just read somewhere that vast quantitys of public service type organisations have gone onto it.
Linked with the fact that most other work is done via web apps i can see that from a bean counters out look a common linux desktop will seem very atractive.
Slight issues with support for a few years but then again we only used to need 20% of the support team than the button clickers needed for the same number if not slightly more machines and triple the number of users. That was on a NIS+ enterprise network.
It only used to take 2 people a week to design a roll out and we would blow down 1500 solaris boxes in one weekend. First time i saw it done i was waiting for mayhem monday morning. Not a peep from the unix users. Just the usual clueless ****e from the pc users.
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I do like the Germans and their engineering prowess however
Which consisted in my 25 years living there of hiring English for the design department and Turkish for the labourers.
Still, the German guys at Cleverbridge in Brabanter Str Köln are doing a good job, as are the ones at The Documentation Foundation, Kaufbeuren.
Which consisted in my 25 years living there of hiring English for the design department and Turkish for the labourers.
Still, the German guys at Cleverbridge in Brabanter Str Köln are doing a good job, as are the ones at The Documentation Foundation, Kaufbeuren.