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gonzags 19th Feb 2011 18:19

Thanks for your help swiss, i have just send you a PM.

speedover60 19th Feb 2011 19:30


Send me a pm and I will put you in touch with a friend of mine that just did it, he went to EVORA, he got everything done in just over 2 months in Rio....


I have mentioned earlier on the topic that ANAC have said my license conversion would take around 2 months and a few people said it would be very unlikely.

Very good to know that your friend managed to get it done within 2 months.

gonzags 19th Feb 2011 19:36

Speedover, what are the requirements that they ask you to convert your license? thanks in advance.
Cheers!

flyingswiss 19th Feb 2011 22:44

The Seneca at the aeroclube was not available, so he also had to wait couple weeks, unless he would have been done a lot earlier. But keep in mind he had all the paper required already in Portuguese and all the Brazilian documents ready...he had the book to study for the Air law test and the CCF way before starting the process too. He was fresh out of Flight school so he really only needed 2 flights to get done.

gonzags 19th Feb 2011 22:50

Do you guys know which is the book for the air law exam and where can i get it?

flyingswiss 20th Feb 2011 14:32

Livro Regulamentos de Tráfego Aéreo - Vôo por Instrumentos - 16ª Edição - Relativa.com.br - PLINIO JR. - ISBN 8586262404.

but the best is to get the question banks from any Flight School

gonzags 20th Feb 2011 15:31

I really appreciate your help flyingswiss, thanks so much.
Cheers!!

speedover60 20th Feb 2011 17:41

Hi gonzags!

The documentation and requirements asked by ANAC were:

* Identidade (Brazilian ID)
* CPF
* Titulo de Eleitor (Election vote prove)
* Alistamento Militar (Prove that you have tried to serve the Brazilian army)
* Certificado de conclusao do ensino medio (Secondary school diploma)

* Copy of your license (It has to be authenticated)
* Pass Air Law test ( Regulamentos de trafego aereo)
* Get Brazilian Medical

The minimum requirement of training in Brazil is:

* 2 Hours IFR including 3 landings at day and 2 landings at night
* Flight test (approx 1.40 minutes)

I have spoken to someone in ANAC Rio and I've been told I can have my ICAO level 6 on my Brazilian license if the authority that have issued my license (in my case UK CAA) give me a letter confirming I have that level of English.

Has anyone gone trough this situation?

flyingswiss 20th Feb 2011 19:25

In Rio they don`t give you the ICAO level you have on your foreign license, both me and my gf had to take the test.

gonzags, you can`t get a CPL license unless you have an RNE, they will give you a 90 day validation (it`s a PPL VFR day only) only. If you have a student Visa you can get a PPL, funny thing is that ANAC allows you to get a PPL if you just come here as a tourist, but the aeroclube won`t allow you to fly their planes without a student Visa, if you are in Brazil with the protocolo of the RNE you will need the Policia Federal to do a declaration that you are allowed to train.

to take the CCF you will need to get a yellow fever shot (the rest of the stuff you probably already have it) and a letter from an aeroclube or ANAC that you are doing a validation of the CPL, unless they will only give you a 2nd class medical.

All your documents have to be in Portuguese, translated by a sworn translator, the signature has to be recognized and the copies authenticated.

You don`t need your high school to be recognized until you start flying, but I will do this 1st since can be a pain. Your Diploma has to be recognized at the Brazilian Consulate of the country you studied in and then translated like above, you don`t need to recognize the transcripts...make sure you have them for all the years you studied, if Spain has an exit exam that will do it too over the transcripts. Take all this stuff to MEC.

you don`t need to do any night IFR.

speedover60 20th Feb 2011 19:50

Flyingswiss, if you speak Portuguese have a look at this email sent by ANAC.

Peço perdão pela demora. Segue em anexo o modelo de requerimento a ser preenchido para a solicitação de validação da Proficiencia Linguistica em sua licença brasileira. Reintero que além do requerimento são necessários também: a cópia autenticada da sua licença estrangeira e uma declaração da autoridade de aviação civil estrangeira constando a data em que foi realizada a avaliação, o grau de proficiência obtido e contatos telefônicos e e-mail para consulta à autoridade. A partir do recebimento de tal documentação e feita análise, será necessário a confirmação das informações junto à autoridade.

Att.

Setor de Proficiência Linguística

gonzags 20th Feb 2011 20:09

Hi flyingswiss, i already have the JAA CPL/ IR/ MULTI license, so i would just need to convert it, for the moment im going to start the legal bureaucracy to get my RNE, and then i will convert my license.
One question, what is CFF and MEC?
If i already have the license, do i need to present the high school diploma and do that stuff on the consulate?
Cheers guys!!

flyingswiss 20th Feb 2011 21:23

MEC=http://www.mec.gov.br/

CCF=Medical

I know you already have a license the stuff I said above are things you can get based on your license, to get a PPL validation for which is not required an RNE you only need a tourist visa (not needed in your case), but in the regs the aeroclubes (still from DAC) have it says a foreign needs an RNE or a student Visa to do any type of training.

Why do you wanna go to Brazil? if there is a 90% chance you will not be able to work as a pilot, you don`t even have an FAA license that would still allow you to do some flying..

gonzags 20th Feb 2011 22:05

Well, my girlfriend is from there, she lives there, and im going to try it, i basically want to be with her. Call me romantic!! :p

Jiri 24th Feb 2011 00:54

Hi flyingswiss
Do you have some contact or info for Evora as you have mentioned in mess., that would be so cool...
I appreciate your help.

JumpJumpJump 17th Mar 2011 02:55

In all honesty, do you think it would be better to just throw away your logbook and start from scratch over here?


I feel like I am getting nowhere with ANAC as an estrangeiro to co validate an FAA PPL.

I got married yesterday to a Brazilian and just started all the nonsense towards getting a permanant right to remain. If anybody is in Brasilia and wants a coffee and a chat, please PM!

The goal is to work in the amazon flying light twins or caravans.

All advice appreciated.

Regards

JJJ

varigflier 17th Mar 2011 04:50

Your hours won't be validated no matter how many stamps, signatures, proof of ownership of airplane etc you show these idiots but you should still be able to get a conversion without your time counting. It just takes forever and the process sucks. Get used to it.

VF

flyingswiss 17th Mar 2011 18:21

All the time gets validated, they validated mine (hundreds of hours flown as private pilot) and all my gf hours

JumpJumpJump 18th Mar 2011 03:35

So I will have a zero hour ppl?

zedoscarro 18th Mar 2011 15:45

Jumpx3

You´ll have a licence. However, in case you apply for an airliner, you´ll have to show them something from outside Brazil showing how many hours you actually have.

No Big Deal.
Happened to me. Only 4 hours in Brazil, but over 200 in Europe. No problem in getting a job...

varigflier 19th Mar 2011 03:39

Same with me. Over 2200 hours when I got mine convalidated. 3 hours in Brasil. No problem getting a job. I haven't met anyone who got their hours validated yet.


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