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Old 9th Oct 2008, 01:34
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Dear Flyvargas, I totally agree with you. Nobody can expect Middle East/Far East salaries in South America.
But U$D 90,000 net per year is tooo high for a DEC.
Don't expect more than U$D 5,000 X 14 salaries=U$D 70,000.

One of my best friends was B767 Capt / Instructor pilot in LAN Chile, almost at the top of the pay scale and He was making less than U$D 8,000 per month including perdiem.
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5k to 6k is correct. But you also know you get paid for 16 months, right? 12 regular months plus: march, july,december gratificaciones (obligatory) and one bonus month per yr based on profit. Also, school rates: i was there yesterday, one of top schools in Lima: $300/mo. Also insurance offered: best insurance offered 4 people:150 soles($50/month).
Many variables, may be good for some, not so good for others. My advice: wage ALL variables to make an informed decision. LAN is a solid carrier,it will be there for a while.Then again, we're talking airlines here.
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Well, if you are peruvian....... go where your hart is. We are talking about good money in Peru right now. Also, being an airline CA back in S. America still gives you status, not like here in the US where we've come to be considered overpaid bus drivers by many... QOL is extremely important, but I guess the most important part is what your family thinks and feels about going down there, that's where you'll find the final answer.... LAN is in pretty good shape, and has a solid business model, not like the legacy carriers here in the US. Their business model is based on already expensive energy costs, and although they are affected by oil prices worlwide, they won't just disappear because the barrel of OIL goes up to $150. I'm saying this because I've been studying LAN for a while and it's amazing what they've accomplished. They were the 22nd most profitable airline in the world last year, and with only 80 or so airplanes (entire holding). Last year they turned net profits for 308M, more that most US and EU carriers that are 4+ times bigger. As you said, we are talking about airlines here, things could change, but in my opinion LAN has a very solid business model and stands a better chance to weather almost any crisis. They don't fly RJs.... they only serve markets for 100+ seats. RJs turned out to be the worst money loosers for some carriers when the oil started to go up. Anyways, if they keep doing what they've been doing they'll be fine....
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Dear Flyvargas, I totally agree with you. Nobody can expect Middle East/Far East salaries in South America.
Why not? It is precisely this conformist attitude that has kept our salary rates in Latin America this low for this long. cost of living has nothing to do with it, some of the lowest living costs on the planet are in Africa and their pilots make a pretty decent wage. I have flown with pilots from all over the world in my 26 years flying and I would put the professionalism of the Latin pilots in the highest regard. Why should we expect to get paid less?
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You are comparing Middle East pilot's pay with Latin America. In the middle east, what's going on right now, it's a very special cacse. There's a boom in their economies, based of course on oil prices. When your GDP grows so fast, transportation grows accordingly, specially aviation. Airlines have been doubling their size in a matter of months. It's been a crazy growth, so finding qualified people in your own country becomes challenging and that's when they need to pay a lot for a pilot to come overseas. Also remember, it's the middle east, for foreigners it has never been attractive. About Africa, well same deal, there are some airlines growing a lot and they need to attract pilots to come to a ****ty country. In Latin America, the aviation has been growing but at a much more modest rate. There's still plenty of pilots in Latin America. It's all based in the old offer and demand. And yes, it has a lot to do with the cost of living too. Also compare pilot wages to average professionals in the country (true for any LAN). How much does the average banker, lawyer, doctor makes in the US and L America? You were talking about the middle east, well in Dubai right now they need all kinds of proffesionals, not only pilots. Got this friend that has been looking at a job as a financial analyst in dubai (nothing special), and the starting salary is 190k a year plus a bunch of benefits. The day they run out of pilots in L America (I doubt it), that's when wages are going to go up. Meanwhile, it's not being conformist, it's just reality.
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You cant compare LAN-CH, wages and pay scales with LPE ones, the pay structures are completely different based on local laws. When was your friend on 8K? Just 2 yrs ago the exchange rate was 700 pesos to the dollar, it has been around 500 pesos for 2 years. In chile they get 12 salaries and then 2 more as a bonus based on performance. Also as an IP he was netting 1K more so putting him at 7K net, and as he was on 767 was not on highest payscale as A340 pilots make more. Just like 767 make more than 320 pilots. Also LAN Cargo pilots make the most. They get A340 pay while flying the 767F, so making more than their pax counterparts on the 767.

In Peru we get 12 regular salaries, 1 more in Feb (thanks to a Union benefit), and 2 more in July and Dec (called "gratificaciones", obligatory by law) and another 1.2 more into a separate bank account (half in May, half in Nov) called CTS (compensacion por tiempo de servicio, also obligatory by law and is not taxed so you get the gross + avg of productivity pay for the year). So as Fly Vargas says putting you at 16.2 salaries a year. So at 5K (flying 82 hrs approx by the way) Net x 15 = 75 add the CTS which is about 9-10K, that puts you at a total of 84-85K Net for the year. Not far off the 90K. Again year 1 for a 319 Capt living in Peru.

We also get double basic pay extra when flying on a public holiday, In my case as an FO 300 USD and a Captain 500 USD. At 12 "feriados" a year and having flown all bar 2 so far (3 more left in the year) will get me an extra 3K proably. A capt will get 4K working 8 out 12. Flying all 12 means an extra 6K for a Capt, but that would be very unnlucky! So add it all up and you get about 88K NET for the year.

The most expensive school in Lima (American) costs 1000 USD, the best 3 English schools are at 800 and 4 other intl schools (Swiss, 2 English, German) run about 500 USD. These all have Anglo/European teachers hence the high price and they offer IB programs and are far superior to any state run school in the US. Peruvian Private schools are around 300 USD or so and are very good.

Car prices have gone down considerably this year. The government reduced its import levies, to promote car sales and with the upcoming TLC "tratado de libre comercio" with the US and Asia expect prices to go down even more. I bought a brand new car this year, it cost 3K more than in the US (based on Kelley blue book figures) so expect to pay about 15% more than in the US, but then again I would pay about 25% more than in Peru if I had bought the same car in the UK, and what would I pay for that same car in Singapore? I am guessing about 80-100% more........... and no its not a used Camry

OW

PS. According to the company, LPE FOs (those with more than 2000 hrs) make the most of all FOs in the LAN holding. Due to local employment laws which require payment of CTS, Gratis, Feriados and lower taxes making the total package greater apparently.

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Preguntas

FlingOW.
Thank you one more time for all your information. I send you a personals email, I hope that you answer me whenever you have a chance.
I am being hired by Lan Peru, FO for the 319, but I may be able to switch to the 767 before class. I am living the US and moving to Lima, I wish I can talk to you and get some advice. Thank you.
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Bottom line fellas: LAN is a very successful airline presently with what appears a great future. Used to think the same of Airtran, where i work, but don't know anymore.If you can live in Peru, with those wages, you'll be very well off. Of course is less pay than the states but cost of living dictates that. If OW got paid what his counterpart at say Delta gets paid he'd probably own a bunch of cevicherias due to all the excess cash. But it's not Delta and not the US. Also, the 85k-90k lets remember is FIRST YEAR pay. Increases follow every year (was told that yesterday,in Lima) LPE is been in business 9 years so i dont know what the top guy makes. OW you have any idea? Nevertheless, LAN has treated me very well as an applicant and now it's up to me to decide what's best for me and family.
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Entrevista Lan Peru

The Hiring process.

I will explain the way that they are interviewing people that is not from Peru and not even from the “Pacto Andino” countries, like me.
The company told me that they are looking for pilots out of Peru because they do not have enough nationals to cover the fast growing of the company. They are hiring DEC and FOs.
They prefer people with experience (for the Fo position) because the upgrade (A-319) can be very, VERY quick. People that I know that they are “importing” for FO position have 3000+ total, Jet, and 121 PIC. I don’t know if they also sponsor you if you are a low time pilot, may be if they like you.
For DEC, of course they ask for at least 4000 total and, at least 1000 PIC in Buses, Boeings , or similar size airplane. Don’t expect to be DEC if you have 3000 PIC in an ATR or 10000 SIC in a 777, they were clear on that.

First filter: Psychotecnic test.
Here is where 50% of the postulants get wash out.
The TEST:
1. They will give you a blank sheet and a pencil and tell you to draw something. When you are done, you have to write a brief explanation about your drawing.

2. Next is a series of questions. The interviewer asks verbally and you answer. Examples: Why people wash their clothes? If you find an envelope with the stamp and destination address on the middle of the street, what you do? Why people pay taxes? Watching a movie on the movie theater you are the first one to spot a fire, what you do?
They ask you about 20.

3. Intelligence test: 1. Series of numbers from 0 to 10.Each number has a symbol. Then, with a time limit, you have to complete as fast as you can, the new list of numbers with the correct symbol. 2. A lot of “logic type” figures test.3 More mental skills analyzed by giving you 9 small plastic cubes, and you have to move them around and put it together to emulate the figures that they show you.

4. Rorschach test.
5. A lot of personal questions about you, mother, father, etc.
The whole interview is almost 2 hours.


The rest of the process is normal.
Simulator test. If is Lima will be a 737-800 (I guess is the 800). It is “home made”, but do not expect a “game”, it is a beautiful fully equipped and working 737. It does not move, but is just like the “real cockpit” whit the original seats and everything.
The instructor is very professional and friendly. The flight is just normal instruments procedures and they want to see how you do in the cockpit. They do not expect you to fly the simulator like if you are a 737 pilot, like ing Cathay Pacific does.
ATP written test.
ICAO English tests.
Interview with the DO and you are done.

The only negative issue (and I am sorry to all the Limeños, but this is true and I say this with a lot of respect) was Lima. The people are very friendly and polite, and the City is OK, but the weather is horrible, at least for me. I am a very “outdoors” person, and when I was there the whole city was “grey”. The locals told me that it is like that almost all year around except for 2 or 3 months during the summer. 9 months a years is overcast 24/7, 7 days a week.
The Lan’s people are very nice, and you can feel a good atmosphere. Looks like is one of the top company to work for in Peru.
I hope I help somebody with the information.
Good luck .
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Spot on Re interview process. Man I had forgotten those questions, but they were exacty the ones I had when interviewing almost 5 years ago.

Also right about the DEC requirements.

Now about Lima, well dude you did come in the middle of winter. The weather in Lima resembles that of foggy London, but come mid-dec, its scorching sun until mid April. Believe me you will want to get away from the heat as its sweltering in mid february. This year autum was wonderful, giving us respite from the summer heat (4 months) and winter didn't fully kick in until late in June. July through October has been miserable and cold indeed. But spring is around the corner.

Now what you weren't told is about Lima's micro-climates. A short 30min drive (from my house anyway ) will get you into beautifully sunny countryside. The valleys are blue skies during the winter in Lima, and overcast during the summer in Lima. Most people go away on their weekends or just for Sunday lunch or frequent their clubs "sedes" in the countryside in Chaclacayo or Chosica for camping, biking, horseriding, bbq, etc and other outdoor activities. Also if you choose to live in the La Molina district you will have sun all year round pretty much. There is much about Lima you will not know until you spend some time here.

I will get back to your PMs asap, slipped my mind, sorry.

Welcome to LPE Tangalanga,

OW

PS. The bus lads are doing 80 odd every month, equating to about 60-80 cycles. 767 chaps are doing about 75-80 per month, equating to about 10 cycles. Pros and cons on both fleets, but the Boeing still retains some of the "glamour" that once existed in aviation. Fatigue is more of an issue on the bus than on the 767 once you get used to night flying. I log twice as much night than I do day, every month.

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Oh yeah, the company provides chauffer-driven transportation to and from the airport max of 4 occupants in a mini-bus (rarely more than 3, mostly 2 or 3 and sometimes picked up by myself). So no gas or parking expenses incurred by you. You will probably only need one car for the family......... just as well cause they are so expensive

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Hey Tangalanga!!

I sent you a PM regarding contact info (person, e-mail) for LAN Peru. Can you please take a look? Thanks!
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Smile The outodoors in LPE

Tanga
I just wanted to add some info to OW's about the outdoor in Peru.
As you probably know you've got unlimited ID90's and should start using them. I recommend Tumbes, Cuzco and depending on your like's of the Amazon Forest, Iquitos and Puerto Maldonado. Also, by car there’s a lot more to explore. One very nice Captain in the 767 owns a small lodge hotel in Oxapampa which he rents out to fellow pilots at special rates. The area there is subtropical and very enjoyable. I myself miss going skiing; Peru is just too damn close to the Equator for that
The problem in LPE is to get 2 or 3 days off in a row, as most of us fly 6 on and 1 off, and scheduling has this habbit of sending you home the last day at 11PM and pick you up after your day off at 7AM. But we have very high hopes that will change the next few weeks to come as the company is reorganizing the Operations Department.
Now, from an external point of view, as so many airlines are struggling in the Americas, we are doing not so bad at all. We keep growing, the company is EXTREMELY stable (I hope that stays that way) and some of the foreign pilots might even like to stay a while longer once you get used to the Peruvian cuisine (It’s a little spicy, but very tasty and a huge variety available).
PM me if you wanna know more...
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dietas or dieteticos

Please could you tell me how much is the per diem for the airbus? thank you very much
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Y a donde envio el CV?

Para LAN Peru? Anyone has the contact address to send it? Everything sounds interesting.
Mas tarde que temprano me gustaria volver a hablar espaniol con mis vecinos. Asia is getting a bit boring after 13 years now.
Gracias
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Moving Expenses

For those in the know:

If you get hired, does LPE help you out with the moving expenses, or are you on your own?? Is there a "moving allowance"?? If not, how much do I have to fork out to move from CCS to LIM??

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If you sign a 3 yr training bond as oppossed to a 2 yr they pay for your move to the equivalent of a small apartment for you alone or a small house for a family. Don't have exact details in front of me , but that's what they offer.
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Viaticos

T-6,

In this part of the world per-diems are known as "viaticos". In LPE on the Bus it is 45 USD (except GRU which is 55 USD) per night away from base. This usually equates to about 200 bucks or so a month on the Bus, assuming you get qualified on the regional routes (GRU, LPB-VIR, & SCL which are only pernoctes on Bus) all other regional (BOG, MDE, UIO) and domestic destinations are roundtrips, hence no "viaticos".

On the other hand, the Boeing avg. is around 700 a month, though I have personally broken the 1000 dollar mark on more than one occasion.

OW

PS. Last year I made 7310 in "viaticos" alone, and I am currently on 6590 for 2008, so it's pretty safe to say I will break last years mark with 2 months left before years end.

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Please anyone knows where to aply for the job? I have been surfing Lan www site but it takes me nowhere. Thanks.
Alguien me pordria decir donde aplicar para el trabajo?
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