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I pocket about 50K USD a year as an FO at LPE, so that would put you at about 166K USD a year (working backwards from your 70%) ..................somehow I find that hard to believe.
I suggest you check your figures again.
OW
I suggest you check your figures again.
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Agree with O.W. Technically, you can make 166K a year as a career FO in FedEx, UPS, BA, LH? but off course, you'd represent a VERY SMALL % (<5%?) of the FOs in the industry. Also, in the case of the US (EU too), those 166K would turn into 100K-120K after taxes. by the way.......hey OW, are those 50K after taxes? if that's so, that's not bad at all for Peru. That's actually what you'd make here in the US as a captain in a regional and with a way more expensive cost of living.
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Figures checked, thank you for making my point. How many hours you flew in that year and how senior are you? or just to make it more simple, post the hourly rates for Cap and F/o's (I have a feeling you won't)
There are 767 contracts around the world that pay the F/O's way over six figures (year 1 that is)
DDR, there are no taxes in Peru?
There are 767 contracts around the world that pay the F/O's way over six figures (year 1 that is)
DDR, there are no taxes in Peru?
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DDRJ,
These figures are after tax, hence the use of the word "pocket". Pre-tax that would be about 75-80K USD more or less. And as you said this is Latin America, where cost of living is stilll relatively low.
Dominican,
So you are telling me you can make 166K USD as an FO NET, after tax, pocket?.....I dont think so pal. An even if that was Pre-tax money you would be looking at losing about 40-45% of it to the IRS (compared to 28-30% in Peru). So Netting about 90K. Now how senior would you have to be as an FO to be on that kind of money?
Oh yeah I am a 4th yr FO on the 767, Yr 1 FOs are making about 8-9% less than me on their basic (assuming they have 2000 hrs) and we all get the same productivity pay (flt pay), regardless of your seniority. FYI I flew 840 hours last year, had a total 45 days of vacation, the year before that only 740, the year before that 700, and so far this year I have only accrued 600 hrs and will probably close out on 750 or so. Last year was a 1 off, we inagurated MAD and that meant round-trip we were doing 24 hrs total, so naturallly workload incresased but we build the time faster and get more time off.
JAL/All Nippon contracts, for example on 767 are lucrative, paying as you say 6 figures but hey you are in Japan, COL there is astronomical, or if you commute are looking at 20-21 ON for 10 OFF. Not good for a family man with small children. And as you stated they are "contracts". Stability? Command prospects? there is a reason why they are called "contracts".............just ask any FO on "contracts" at SIA Cargo, JAL etc if they stand a chance of upgrade? And before I forget you have to do 6 months of ground school for your conversion on basic pay, good luck surviving off that in Osaka. I have looked into other 767 gigs and they dont add up, pay is good but place is expensive, or pay is good and place is a dump. Also you must be PIC type-rated, and have experience on type, for the more lucrative contracts.
Next year I upgrade and will be NETTING about 75-80K USD first year as Capt on the Bus, after only 5 years in the company, and living in Peru! (We also have another 10K/year for Capts, 6K for FOs that goes into a bank account building interest in your name which you can't touch until you leave the job, kind of like the end of service benefit in the middle east. So after 32 years as a capt that should be about 320K USD in CASH, plus interest, plus what I accrued as an FO in my case and without even considering pay rises over those 32 years)....and yes we also have a pension. This wont make you rich but willl allow you to live very well in Lima. You have to put things into perspective.
LAN is stilll growing and turning a healthy profit, something most if not all US carriers aren't doing in these trying times.
Nuff said,
OW
These figures are after tax, hence the use of the word "pocket". Pre-tax that would be about 75-80K USD more or less. And as you said this is Latin America, where cost of living is stilll relatively low.
Dominican,
So you are telling me you can make 166K USD as an FO NET, after tax, pocket?.....I dont think so pal. An even if that was Pre-tax money you would be looking at losing about 40-45% of it to the IRS (compared to 28-30% in Peru). So Netting about 90K. Now how senior would you have to be as an FO to be on that kind of money?
Oh yeah I am a 4th yr FO on the 767, Yr 1 FOs are making about 8-9% less than me on their basic (assuming they have 2000 hrs) and we all get the same productivity pay (flt pay), regardless of your seniority. FYI I flew 840 hours last year, had a total 45 days of vacation, the year before that only 740, the year before that 700, and so far this year I have only accrued 600 hrs and will probably close out on 750 or so. Last year was a 1 off, we inagurated MAD and that meant round-trip we were doing 24 hrs total, so naturallly workload incresased but we build the time faster and get more time off.
JAL/All Nippon contracts, for example on 767 are lucrative, paying as you say 6 figures but hey you are in Japan, COL there is astronomical, or if you commute are looking at 20-21 ON for 10 OFF. Not good for a family man with small children. And as you stated they are "contracts". Stability? Command prospects? there is a reason why they are called "contracts".............just ask any FO on "contracts" at SIA Cargo, JAL etc if they stand a chance of upgrade? And before I forget you have to do 6 months of ground school for your conversion on basic pay, good luck surviving off that in Osaka. I have looked into other 767 gigs and they dont add up, pay is good but place is expensive, or pay is good and place is a dump. Also you must be PIC type-rated, and have experience on type, for the more lucrative contracts.
Next year I upgrade and will be NETTING about 75-80K USD first year as Capt on the Bus, after only 5 years in the company, and living in Peru! (We also have another 10K/year for Capts, 6K for FOs that goes into a bank account building interest in your name which you can't touch until you leave the job, kind of like the end of service benefit in the middle east. So after 32 years as a capt that should be about 320K USD in CASH, plus interest, plus what I accrued as an FO in my case and without even considering pay rises over those 32 years)....and yes we also have a pension. This wont make you rich but willl allow you to live very well in Lima. You have to put things into perspective.
LAN is stilll growing and turning a healthy profit, something most if not all US carriers aren't doing in these trying times.
Nuff said,
OW
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I'm not an F/O and my point is that If you are going to become an expat F/O, do it for 8-10K a month, not for 4K but to each its own, your numbers and the numbers from my friends working there are nowhere close, but I've been in Lima many times and it is a very beautiful place so enjoy, I hope that your upgrade works out for you.
And by the way, these numbers you mentioned in a previuos post are more in line with what my friends are telling me
Seems like a sensible word of caution to me. And here are more numbers posted by you that are more in line with what my friends are telling me
Nuff said Indeed
And by the way, these numbers you mentioned in a previuos post are more in line with what my friends are telling me
To add to Colofly72 post:
English is a must, but so is spanish! Growth is on 319 for time being, Medellin (regional) inaugurated and Tumbes and Cajamarca (domestic) to come in July. 767 has suspended 2 flts/week to LAX and 3 additional flts to MAD were canceled until further notice.
Future plans include 32 787 for delivery as of 2011 (most likely will be delayed). IAD has been rumoured for yrs but still nothing as of yet.
Unless joining as a DEC, upgrades are based on having a Min. of 4000 hrs, 2 yrs service on present fleet, and on seniority. If one doesnt have the hours they go to next pilot on the list. We are currently at 240 or so pilots, aim is 300 by end of year, half of which are FOs. As DECs are hired number of FOs upgrading is less than 1/3 of the required.....expect 6-10 yrs in the RHS for new hires, maybe even more once we hit critical mass.
One word of caution, lowtimers get paid jack schmidt.... <1000 hrs make around 1000-1300USD and <1700 or so make 2000-2300USD. Only above said hrs will one get paid line FO full pay, about 3000USD. Productivity pay starts at 70 hrs at 40USD/hr before tax. Oh and you get a whopping 1% per year of service (after 2 yrs) to a max of 25%..........
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English is a must, but so is spanish! Growth is on 319 for time being, Medellin (regional) inaugurated and Tumbes and Cajamarca (domestic) to come in July. 767 has suspended 2 flts/week to LAX and 3 additional flts to MAD were canceled until further notice.
Future plans include 32 787 for delivery as of 2011 (most likely will be delayed). IAD has been rumoured for yrs but still nothing as of yet.
Unless joining as a DEC, upgrades are based on having a Min. of 4000 hrs, 2 yrs service on present fleet, and on seniority. If one doesnt have the hours they go to next pilot on the list. We are currently at 240 or so pilots, aim is 300 by end of year, half of which are FOs. As DECs are hired number of FOs upgrading is less than 1/3 of the required.....expect 6-10 yrs in the RHS for new hires, maybe even more once we hit critical mass.
One word of caution, lowtimers get paid jack schmidt.... <1000 hrs make around 1000-1300USD and <1700 or so make 2000-2300USD. Only above said hrs will one get paid line FO full pay, about 3000USD. Productivity pay starts at 70 hrs at 40USD/hr before tax. Oh and you get a whopping 1% per year of service (after 2 yrs) to a max of 25%..........
OW
For those wishing to apply as DEC, pay is about 19,700 Soles basic before tax. Productivity pay starts at hour 70 at 180 per hour gross, max FTL of 90 per month. Currently 3 Soles to 1 USD. Tax man, 10% pension contribution, commission, health insurance, etc accounts for 30-35%. Most Capts on 319 netting around 5K USD first year flying above 80 hours. Double salary in Feb, July and Dec. Pre-Unionization 2 years ago: 3200USD Capt/ 2400USD FO take home
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Dominican,
If you read my post again you see that I mention "assuming they have 2000hrs". Yes the low timers are getting a real bum deal. Still my numbers are not misleading.
Lets do the math with the figures, for bus FO 3000 USD basic take home year 1, multiply that by 15 (remember I mention double pay in 3 months) you get 45K take home not including flt pay. I got over 50K total for the year take home(including flt pay and 76ers make about 6% more on their basic). Captains on the bus get a little over 5000 USD a month take home ,year 1 (basic plus flt pay). Multiply that by 15 and you get 75K USD a year take home year 1.
Now how are these figures any different to what I posted before and now? I am not misleading anyone, just do the math (it would seem you didnt)
The pre-union figures were low, I agree but that was more than 2 years ago.
OW
PS. You are right, dont go expat unless it is for 8K USD per month as an FO. I personally would go expat as an FO if it paid more than what I could make as capt in LAN, wouldn't have any problems giving up the command if it made sense for the family and me.
If you read my post again you see that I mention "assuming they have 2000hrs". Yes the low timers are getting a real bum deal. Still my numbers are not misleading.
Lets do the math with the figures, for bus FO 3000 USD basic take home year 1, multiply that by 15 (remember I mention double pay in 3 months) you get 45K take home not including flt pay. I got over 50K total for the year take home(including flt pay and 76ers make about 6% more on their basic). Captains on the bus get a little over 5000 USD a month take home ,year 1 (basic plus flt pay). Multiply that by 15 and you get 75K USD a year take home year 1.
Now how are these figures any different to what I posted before and now? I am not misleading anyone, just do the math (it would seem you didnt)
The pre-union figures were low, I agree but that was more than 2 years ago.
OW
PS. You are right, dont go expat unless it is for 8K USD per month as an FO. I personally would go expat as an FO if it paid more than what I could make as capt in LAN, wouldn't have any problems giving up the command if it made sense for the family and me.
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Update on 767 Ops
For those genuinely interested in LPE,
It seems KIAD is on the books for Jan 2009 according to the bosses. Very excited about the news.
767 Destinations for 2009 will be:
KLAX
KMIA
KIAD..pending confirmation
LEMD
MMMX
SVMI
SAEZ
SCEL
SEGU
SBGR is going to be Bus only destination as of next month.
Regards,
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It seems KIAD is on the books for Jan 2009 according to the bosses. Very excited about the news.
767 Destinations for 2009 will be:
KLAX
KMIA
KIAD..pending confirmation
LEMD
MMMX
SVMI
SAEZ
SCEL
SEGU
SBGR is going to be Bus only destination as of next month.
Regards,
OW
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I have a couple of friends in mx in Santiago, where they perform the heavier checks for the holding, and they do a pretty good job there. Visited the facilities myself and I was impressed. Besides that, new airplanes make things much easier.
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Mx is one of LAN's strong points and the maintenance facility in SCL is very impressive.. Aircraft are well maintained and nicely kitted out (767 with Pegasus FMC with dual GPS and VHF/HF datalink via ACARS are great for the MAD and LAX flights). I can honestly say I have no complaints with this dept. And as DDRJ says, new aircaft make it a lot easier. Half of the boeing fleet (10) arrived in the last 18 months straight from Paine Field. The buses are all pretty much new except for 2 A340 previously with Air Canada.
DDRJ, whats your status with LAN? Are you still in the running for LAN Chile?
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DDRJ, whats your status with LAN? Are you still in the running for LAN Chile?
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I'm really aiming at LAN Arg since I'm argentinian. I've been in direct contact with one of the top dogs in arg and he liked my resume. The problem is that he told me that they won't be able to offer me an interview 'till I don't get my argentinian "comercial de primera", which it's a pain in the arse because of the infamous burocracia argentina. Now I have time, so I'll be going to baires to begin the process very soon. About LAN ch, I'm also working on it, I'll be there maybe next month to get my chilean CPL.(I've been there twice already doing paperwork) and to get that you need a visa, which I'm supposed to be getting soon. Just so you know, officially LAN Chile doesn't provide a work VISA (anymore). Also, before they offer me an interview, they told me I need to have a chilean CPL, FAA tickets won't do the trick. Also, right now they're pretty much staffed, so the next call is going to be for next year. There's a very slight chance they open a few slots by the end of the year, but that will deppend on how many pilots they need to lend to the rest of the holding. All this I'm telling you came out from the mouth of the head of the HR dept. She was really nice and polite, and told me she liked my resume, but she was very clear about all this. Also, the new call is going to be a fairly small one since they are anticipating a slowdown in the growth. Now, I'm sure you heard about many expats working in Chile and it's true, but also the HR lady told me that the ones they recentely hired already had chilean CPLs. I'm assuming they did what I'm doing now (PLEAS DON'T ASK
) which by the way is not easy at all. Anyways, I'm just doing my best the get the job either in Argentina or Chile. We'll see how things turn...
) which by the way is not easy at all. Anyways, I'm just doing my best the get the job either in Argentina or Chile. We'll see how things turn...
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Thanx a lot ! I will need some good luck on top on working hard...... by the way, LPE was an option too, but I've heard it has become very competitive, specially with all the Latinos pilots being furloughed in the US. I've been told that for expats they were really looking for people with experience in the bus or 76 (for FOs). Apparentely they're not looking for DECs anymore). So, I'm sure you'll be seeing a lot of new guys ex Spirit, ex UA, etc...
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Not true. I have experience on B717 only and i'm being offered DEC as of today. However, i'm still trying to decide if this is a good move since i'm a fairly senior capt. where i'm at (Airtran) but with this economy don't know if we'll be in business too much longer. I'm sure it is more competitive now but they're still hiring DEC's. Before anyone says it: yes, Airtran pays more. But by the time you take taxes,SS,union dues and other crap they're very close. Also, a big player is the cost of living. Big difference b/w West Palm Beach, where i live, and Lima.
Peruvian DGAC ATPL/Frozen ATPL exams
For those who are thinking in LAN Peru / TACA Peru.
The Peruvian DGAC is gonna requiered a written exam for converting your
ICAO licence to Peruvian CPL IR Frozen ATPL or Full ATPL.
That exam is taken in the DGAC using the same ASA FAA's ATPL computer program.
You have to consider to study all the ASA FAA ATPL book, FAR 121 and FAR 135.
I don't know why but the DGAC takes all the questions not only the 121 ones.
The minimum pass grade is 80% and you have 2 hours for finishing the test.
The Medical is taken in the FAP (Fuerza Aerea Peruana) Hospital.
It is much more detail than the FAA. It is gonna be much better if you go very early morning, around 07:30 am.
For First Psicological, they are gonna ask you to write an autobiography.
So have it ready before going to the exam.
Enjoy Lima.
The Peruvian DGAC is gonna requiered a written exam for converting your
ICAO licence to Peruvian CPL IR Frozen ATPL or Full ATPL.
That exam is taken in the DGAC using the same ASA FAA's ATPL computer program.
You have to consider to study all the ASA FAA ATPL book, FAR 121 and FAR 135.
I don't know why but the DGAC takes all the questions not only the 121 ones.
The minimum pass grade is 80% and you have 2 hours for finishing the test.
The Medical is taken in the FAP (Fuerza Aerea Peruana) Hospital.
It is much more detail than the FAA. It is gonna be much better if you go very early morning, around 07:30 am.
For First Psicological, they are gonna ask you to write an autobiography.
So have it ready before going to the exam.
Enjoy Lima.
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Good for you! As I said before, about LPE I don't know much but what I've been told (not from the company itself). About leaving Air Tran......hummmm that's a thoughy isn't it? I mean, I'm trying to bail out off course, but I'm a regional driver....(I'm sure you remember those days
). I personally wouldn't leave a CA seat in Air Tran unless:
-You are peruvian and have friends and family in Lima
-You're really not convinced with your life in WPBeach
-You know for sure you are going to get demoted to FO.
Remember, things will get better in the US at some point (but first, things will get worse for sure). I'm eager to leave this regional because I was going to leave it sooner or later (my life couldn't get much worse than it is right now) It's not a company where I would build a career, but in your case you are in a company where you pretty much would stay and retire. Anyways, just my point of view, not trying to say do it or don't.
GOOD LUCK !
Good for you! As I said before, about LPE I don't know much but what I've been told (not from the company itself). About leaving Air Tran......hummmm that's a thoughy isn't it? I mean, I'm trying to bail out off course, but I'm a regional driver....(I'm sure you remember those days
). I personally wouldn't leave a CA seat in Air Tran unless:-You are peruvian and have friends and family in Lima
-You're really not convinced with your life in WPBeach
-You know for sure you are going to get demoted to FO.
Remember, things will get better in the US at some point (but first, things will get worse for sure). I'm eager to leave this regional because I was going to leave it sooner or later (my life couldn't get much worse than it is right now) It's not a company where I would build a career, but in your case you are in a company where you pretty much would stay and retire. Anyways, just my point of view, not trying to say do it or don't.
GOOD LUCK !
Another thing you have to considerer about LAN Peru / TACA is the scholarship of your children.
An International School in Lima is gonna cost you around U$D500-1200.
LAN Peru is not paying for that.
An Airbus A320 Captain Salary is not higher than U$D5,000 and not more
than U$D 6,000 for a '67 Capt.
I have an Argentine friend who was flying for LAN Chile as a B767 Captain.
He was also Instructor Pilot and his salary was lower than U$D 8,000 including perdiem.
The Salary scale in the LAN Group is from
1) LAN Chile 2) LAN Cargo 3) LAN Express 4) LAN Peru 5) LAN Ecuador
6) LAN Argentina.
An International School in Lima is gonna cost you around U$D500-1200.
LAN Peru is not paying for that.
An Airbus A320 Captain Salary is not higher than U$D5,000 and not more
than U$D 6,000 for a '67 Capt.
I have an Argentine friend who was flying for LAN Chile as a B767 Captain.
He was also Instructor Pilot and his salary was lower than U$D 8,000 including perdiem.
The Salary scale in the LAN Group is from
1) LAN Chile 2) LAN Cargo 3) LAN Express 4) LAN Peru 5) LAN Ecuador
6) LAN Argentina.
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Very low salary rates, very expensive schools and get ready to pay for a Mercedes but drive a used Camry. But then again they keep finding people so why pay an average wage?
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What do you consider an average wage? And is it for the states or Peru? 90k net(1st yr DEC)goes a long ways in Peru you know. However, if you live in the us and still pay bills here, then that's not that great money. At any rate, don't expect Middle east wages in so.am. Apples and oranges dude.
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I personally wouldn't leave a CA seat in Air Tran unless:
-You are peruvian and have friends and family in Lima
-You're really not convinced with your life in WPBeach
-You know for sure you are going to get demoted to FO.
I am peruvian and i have family there.
I LOVE living in WPB
I'm top 1/3 seniority list.
See my dilema?
-You are peruvian and have friends and family in Lima
-You're really not convinced with your life in WPBeach
-You know for sure you are going to get demoted to FO.
I am peruvian and i have family there.
I LOVE living in WPB
I'm top 1/3 seniority list.
See my dilema?