Service Air B747F
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Warm, sunny isle.
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Service Air B747F
Other than what's posted on their website www.serviceair.ca does anyone have some information about this company. They were advertising for B747F crew on www.climbto350.com a few days ago. Thanks.
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: "como todo buen piloto... mujeriego y borracho"
Posts: 2,005
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: uk
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I too am mildly curious about this company. They show a YVR base on their "none too elaborate" website.
Does anyone know if they are operating? or even have the aircraft.
They placed the ad on 350, but now it is gone, that was fast.
Out of interest, what would the current state of typed current 747 classic pilots be in Canada? Other than pilots working abroad and willing to return, I cannot imagine they have much of a local pool to draw on.
Does anyone know if they are operating? or even have the aircraft.
They placed the ad on 350, but now it is gone, that was fast.
Out of interest, what would the current state of typed current 747 classic pilots be in Canada? Other than pilots working abroad and willing to return, I cannot imagine they have much of a local pool to draw on.
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: "como todo buen piloto... mujeriego y borracho"
Posts: 2,005
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"what would the current state of typed current 747 classic pilots be in Canada? Other than pilots working abroad and willing to return, I cannot imagine they have much of a local pool to draw on."
I hear you on that one!
I hear you on that one!
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: uk
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
well, regardless of the local availability or not, word is they filled the slots.
so, wonder how many they needed? and what seat.
For that matter does anyone know if they are operating? I have not seen, or heard of anyone who has seen an aircraft flying.
Has anyone in YVR seen one?
Is this a just a proposal?
so, wonder how many they needed? and what seat.
For that matter does anyone know if they are operating? I have not seen, or heard of anyone who has seen an aircraft flying.
Has anyone in YVR seen one?
Is this a just a proposal?
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: minnesota
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I just got the email from them saying they had filled all the slots. I had a friend that lives in the area check them out......they have an office and he saw a 727 with their emblem. I would like to get get more info on their operation. I saw the post climbto350. I sent them an email talking about my background..........and actually got a call from them requesting my resume (which they already had.) On the phone I was told that this was just the initial class and that there would be more......if i didn't get offered anything at this time. They plan to have the first 747-200F operating around the beginning of June. BTW my background......3500TT, 3000 mutli/turbine (600 jet), 1100 PIC turbine. Canadian Military (DHC-5), American Eagle (ATR42/72, EMJ145/135), Northwest - furloughed ( S/O B27/ B747-200F - ANC base) and currently Pinnacle Airlines-NWA Regional (CRJ200 or CL-65). I have both FAA/MOT ATP's and had the B747F on my canadian lic. I hope to get back to the West Coast and maybe they will call for a later class.
Anybody else have any more info?
russell
Anybody else have any more info?russell
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Sum Ware
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well, what can I say. Back in 1999, he wanted to start with some B1900C freighter/medevac operation to go head to head with Westex on their freight and Kingair medevac operations. Then, talks went to wanting to get Citation IIs/B1900C to compete against Pacific Costal and the other charter companies on charter operations.
Lots of talks and talks but never came true. Then again, talks started with airplanes as big as the B727-200Fs to compete against ACE, Purolator...etc...and then talks bloom to L-188s Electras. There was even a time to get a B747-300 for pax operation.
What's next? Within this whole time frame, a few good people left to other better adventures. Most of us could not be and were not paid for our services to try to help this company start out.
Last year, the company operated just 1 Beaver along the coast.
So I'm quite suprised to see they are getting B747F this time.
All the best to him and his company. There sure were lots of broken promises and hidden agendas, however.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see those B747s with our eyes to believe they are there this time!
Lots of talks and talks but never came true. Then again, talks started with airplanes as big as the B727-200Fs to compete against ACE, Purolator...etc...and then talks bloom to L-188s Electras. There was even a time to get a B747-300 for pax operation.
What's next? Within this whole time frame, a few good people left to other better adventures. Most of us could not be and were not paid for our services to try to help this company start out.
Last year, the company operated just 1 Beaver along the coast.
So I'm quite suprised to see they are getting B747F this time.
All the best to him and his company. There sure were lots of broken promises and hidden agendas, however.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see those B747s with our eyes to believe they are there this time!
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: On the Beach
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
service air
A few guys I know have applied, myself included - although I was told all the slots are filled, while other guys were still being asked for interviews. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting to see their airplanes. Word has it CargoJet will be in the air with a heavy one of these days, but sounds like a DC10-30. Rumour is that service airs business plans have walked too, lots of empty promises and pockets.
From what I've managed to find out, they have never even owned an aircraft, and have never operated anything bigger than Beaver, and according to Transport, aren't even allowed to operate a Beaver anymore!
Sound like a pipe dream, no cash, big plans...watch your wallets boys!
From what I've managed to find out, they have never even owned an aircraft, and have never operated anything bigger than Beaver, and according to Transport, aren't even allowed to operate a Beaver anymore!
Sound like a pipe dream, no cash, big plans...watch your wallets boys!
Guest
Posts: n/a
Well what can I say, but some of you should show more professionalizm. 1) So what if it's a pipe dream - the guy's that got in are getting a 747 endorsment. If it doesn't pan out - oh well, they aren't paying for the training. 2) If you guys knew anything about business you would know that under most cases it is cheaper to lease an airplane - just because they haven't owned an airplane doesn't mean anything! 3) You can't operate a Beaver under CARS 705! So if you amend your operating certificate and your AMO (maintenance cert) you have to have them SUSPENDED.......... Doesn't mean they did anything wrong. We should watch them cautiously as we would any other new company - but I wish them all the best. It's a gutsy move to try and start this kind of operation in these days - but I really don't think someone would spend the money to train crews and get the proper certificates if they weren't serious (and a 747 is some serious airplane). BTW - I know some of these things because a very good friend of mine has worked with these guys for a while now.
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: uk
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Skyhawk 1
jolly nice of you to come to their defense, but a few questions for you.
You say, "if you guys knew anything about business"
well have you worked in the contract envinronment?
have you been typed by a company or seen it done on a new fleet type?
Are you aware of just how much is involved in adding an aircraft type to an AOC? not to mention adding initial crew training to this.
Why do you think it is more economical for a new start up integrating a new type, to also incur the expense of training up crew, when there is obviously qualified typed current crew available to fill these slots.
Now you have implied that you do know business, by saying we do not, so:
How many start ups integrating a new widebody type have you observed over the years?
I have seen a few, as I have been flying contract widebody for some time, 747 freighters, and others.
I have seen these companies come and go, and the vast majority do go, if they even manage to start.
Are you aware of the current availablility of 747 Freighters these days? They are a pretty lean commodity, 100`s of which there are a few, are range limited for the routes they suggest, 200 Freighters are basically not available, as those that are have already been spoken for, which accounts for new conversions being done, ( at great cost)
300 freighters, not certified in Canada, or the US, so nope.
400 freighters, no way does cost to return work here with a startup, onea/c operation.
So I suggest that you perhaps read between the lines of some posting, as they are current, and typed, and have been turned down, this in itself suggests that this is at this point no more than a feeler excersise at best
Oh one last point, ya sure it`s a "gutsy move" to try these days, but as you may be well aware there has also been a ton of guys screwed by just such gutsy moves, and in the contract envinronment it is best for everyone concerned to go in eyes wide open, which is exactly why there is a healthy dose of scepticism exibited here.
Skyhawk 1, it is certainly does not show a lack of professionalism to do as much research as possible on any prospective company.
jolly nice of you to come to their defense, but a few questions for you.
You say, "if you guys knew anything about business"
well have you worked in the contract envinronment?
have you been typed by a company or seen it done on a new fleet type?
Are you aware of just how much is involved in adding an aircraft type to an AOC? not to mention adding initial crew training to this.
Why do you think it is more economical for a new start up integrating a new type, to also incur the expense of training up crew, when there is obviously qualified typed current crew available to fill these slots.
Now you have implied that you do know business, by saying we do not, so:
How many start ups integrating a new widebody type have you observed over the years?
I have seen a few, as I have been flying contract widebody for some time, 747 freighters, and others.
I have seen these companies come and go, and the vast majority do go, if they even manage to start.
Are you aware of the current availablility of 747 Freighters these days? They are a pretty lean commodity, 100`s of which there are a few, are range limited for the routes they suggest, 200 Freighters are basically not available, as those that are have already been spoken for, which accounts for new conversions being done, ( at great cost)
300 freighters, not certified in Canada, or the US, so nope.
400 freighters, no way does cost to return work here with a startup, onea/c operation.
So I suggest that you perhaps read between the lines of some posting, as they are current, and typed, and have been turned down, this in itself suggests that this is at this point no more than a feeler excersise at best
Oh one last point, ya sure it`s a "gutsy move" to try these days, but as you may be well aware there has also been a ton of guys screwed by just such gutsy moves, and in the contract envinronment it is best for everyone concerned to go in eyes wide open, which is exactly why there is a healthy dose of scepticism exibited here.
Skyhawk 1, it is certainly does not show a lack of professionalism to do as much research as possible on any prospective company.
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: On the Beach
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Service...ha
They never owned, or leased a BEaver. Operated 1, for a year. They're going nowhere, and you can't get a straight answer out of them. Glad I'm not wasting my money travelling there for an interview, and I will be extremely suprosed if they even manage to get 1 guy trained. It looks more and more like a pump and dump investment scam. woudln't waste my time based on their reputation.
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: At the airport
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For all you naysayers, why??? Give the operation a chance to try it out.. I think you should all be happy that someone is trying to get something going in this country at a time when the prospects are gloomy at best..
Last year, the company operated just 1 Beaver along the coast.
snotbox, nice name.... I think if you had any knowledge you would find that it was not last year that they started operating a beaver....
Are you aware of the current availablility of 747 Freighters these days? They are a pretty lean commodity, 100`s of which there are a few, are range limited for the routes they suggest, 200 Freighters are basically not available, as those that are have already been spoken for, which accounts for new conversions being done, ( at great cost)
300 freighters, not certified in Canada, or the US, so nope.
400 freighters, no way does cost to return work here with a startup, onea/c operation.
canadair, while some of what you say is true.. Can you tell me which types of 747 freighters do in fact have a Canadian type certificate?? BTW they are all available for the right price...
They never owned, or leased a BEaver. Operated 1, for a year.
to tell the truth...If they never owned or leased one, how did they ever operate it????
Glad I'm not wasting my money travelling there for an interview, and I will be extremely suprosed if they even manage to get 1 guy trained.
Just so you know, I hear that they do have 2 full crews trained now...
You people crack me up.... You crap all over anyone who has an idea and tries to put it into action... Then you want all the benefits once it is a done deal.. Why don't you let the company do their best to get going and create some employment which is badly needed in this country and wish them the best.. If you think it is too risky for you, don't apply.... If not, shut up and let them do their thing..
Phil
Last year, the company operated just 1 Beaver along the coast.
snotbox, nice name.... I think if you had any knowledge you would find that it was not last year that they started operating a beaver....
Are you aware of the current availablility of 747 Freighters these days? They are a pretty lean commodity, 100`s of which there are a few, are range limited for the routes they suggest, 200 Freighters are basically not available, as those that are have already been spoken for, which accounts for new conversions being done, ( at great cost)
300 freighters, not certified in Canada, or the US, so nope.
400 freighters, no way does cost to return work here with a startup, onea/c operation.
canadair, while some of what you say is true.. Can you tell me which types of 747 freighters do in fact have a Canadian type certificate?? BTW they are all available for the right price...
They never owned, or leased a BEaver. Operated 1, for a year.
to tell the truth...If they never owned or leased one, how did they ever operate it????
Glad I'm not wasting my money travelling there for an interview, and I will be extremely suprosed if they even manage to get 1 guy trained.
Just so you know, I hear that they do have 2 full crews trained now...
You people crack me up.... You crap all over anyone who has an idea and tries to put it into action... Then you want all the benefits once it is a done deal.. Why don't you let the company do their best to get going and create some employment which is badly needed in this country and wish them the best.. If you think it is too risky for you, don't apply.... If not, shut up and let them do their thing..
Phil
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: delta.bc.canada
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Last I heard was that they were to hold a 'course'last month ,but experienced delay re' the manuals approval by TC.
Servieair,Capt Bill Best 604 2337727.
Understood that there were no 200 guys qualified-all require coursrs.
Servieair,Capt Bill Best 604 2337727.
Understood that there were no 200 guys qualified-all require coursrs.
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Canada
Posts: 819
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Phil,
relax. It's aviation.
BTW
Atlas Air have 200s ready to go. I see several (others) parked in Arizona. So, like you say "for a price".
Certification in Canada????
No sweat.
100s, 200s, 300s, or 400s. It certainly can be done.
I'm with you...people should stop slagging the possibilities and PRAY that one of these startups actually gets going.
It's long overdue.
Willie
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: At the airport
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Willie,
No need for me to relax... I'm merely trying to get the fools to cut these people some slack.. I don't work for them so I really have nothing to gain by it but do believe that every new start up should get a chance to prove themselves..
For certification, well, a quick visit to the TC site will show you that the 200 series has been type certified... Now depending on which series of the 200 it is might make a difference... But then again, who knows with TC...
I agree with you though, that people should be encouraging new start-ups rather than slagging them.. Computers have a nasty habit of leaving a trail and I wouldn't want to be the guy/gal who didn't get a job cause they trashed a company on the internet...
Phil
No need for me to relax... I'm merely trying to get the fools to cut these people some slack.. I don't work for them so I really have nothing to gain by it but do believe that every new start up should get a chance to prove themselves..
For certification, well, a quick visit to the TC site will show you that the 200 series has been type certified... Now depending on which series of the 200 it is might make a difference... But then again, who knows with TC...
I agree with you though, that people should be encouraging new start-ups rather than slagging them.. Computers have a nasty habit of leaving a trail and I wouldn't want to be the guy/gal who didn't get a job cause they trashed a company on the internet...
Phil
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: uk
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think you guys are missing the point. This was not so much "slagging off" a prospective employer / start up, as a statement of how they plan their operation. You say they are running a course as no typed classic guys out there, wrong, I know of at least 4 typed under 40 experienced current 200 people, canadian citizens, with the 74200 on their CDN lic who applied, none even got an answer! so how interested were they in typed pilots? not very.
Regards certified 74`s in Canada, you just have to look at what has been operated in the past, the 200 by CDN, AC, Ward Air, Nationair, and 400 by CDN and AC, so these are fine, no 300`s, but they have never been cert in North America.
So, while I think everyone with a vested interest, ie Canadians who may someday want to return to Canada, and are already typed on the aircraft they plan to operate, would be happy to see such a venture prosper, we are also realists, and this one just has all the indications of not working.
As mentioned before, the formula is wrong, 1 airplane means no redundancy, a 400 would just be too costly on a 1 aircraft operation, they are up against massive competition with the establised asian carriers already serving, and choosing to type crews over getting experienced typed pilots is not the way to go for a start up.
Classic, AFX, TBG, TJ, lots have tried, few survive.
So, if it does get off the ground, well good for them, it is a major uphill battle.
THis is all fact, if you choose to call it "slagging off" well fine, but I suspect that some of these opinions are from those not currently in the industry, and wishing they had a chance with someone, who see any new venture as a potential future employer, great, but if you have been with a few, lost the last few paychecks and watched them slide into obscurity, you may view these new start ups and their plans from a different side.
Regards certified 74`s in Canada, you just have to look at what has been operated in the past, the 200 by CDN, AC, Ward Air, Nationair, and 400 by CDN and AC, so these are fine, no 300`s, but they have never been cert in North America.
So, while I think everyone with a vested interest, ie Canadians who may someday want to return to Canada, and are already typed on the aircraft they plan to operate, would be happy to see such a venture prosper, we are also realists, and this one just has all the indications of not working.
As mentioned before, the formula is wrong, 1 airplane means no redundancy, a 400 would just be too costly on a 1 aircraft operation, they are up against massive competition with the establised asian carriers already serving, and choosing to type crews over getting experienced typed pilots is not the way to go for a start up.
Classic, AFX, TBG, TJ, lots have tried, few survive.
So, if it does get off the ground, well good for them, it is a major uphill battle.
THis is all fact, if you choose to call it "slagging off" well fine, but I suspect that some of these opinions are from those not currently in the industry, and wishing they had a chance with someone, who see any new venture as a potential future employer, great, but if you have been with a few, lost the last few paychecks and watched them slide into obscurity, you may view these new start ups and their plans from a different side.
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Canada
Posts: 819
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
canadair
I agree with your posting. However, the reality for pilots in Canada pre-empts the return for many of those who went overseas.
For several reasons.
Once you've gotten a taste of the overseas realities, your return to this country will be anything but the happy experience you'd expect it to be.
Right now there are so many pilots from failed companies walking the streets and standing in line for what 'table scrap' jobs are out there, it's difficult to reason and/or understand why anyone would even want to fly aeroplanes in this country in the first place.
We still have to wait for AC pilots to 'stop kicking their toys out of their crib' to see IF they're going to even survive. If that all comes crashing down there will be even more long faces standing in even longer lines for what little 'table scrap' jobs might be available. (IMHO)
Anyone looking to start up any kind of carrier right now may well be advised to stay away from 'the bitter ones' circulating throughout the country and go with whomever remains unspoilt.
Just a thought.
Willie
I agree with your posting. However, the reality for pilots in Canada pre-empts the return for many of those who went overseas.
For several reasons.
Once you've gotten a taste of the overseas realities, your return to this country will be anything but the happy experience you'd expect it to be.
Right now there are so many pilots from failed companies walking the streets and standing in line for what 'table scrap' jobs are out there, it's difficult to reason and/or understand why anyone would even want to fly aeroplanes in this country in the first place.
We still have to wait for AC pilots to 'stop kicking their toys out of their crib' to see IF they're going to even survive. If that all comes crashing down there will be even more long faces standing in even longer lines for what little 'table scrap' jobs might be available. (IMHO)
Anyone looking to start up any kind of carrier right now may well be advised to stay away from 'the bitter ones' circulating throughout the country and go with whomever remains unspoilt.
Just a thought.
Willie
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: uk
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"stop kicking their toys out of their crib"
I like it
very descriptive statement on the current situation.
Willie:
points taken re the Canadian job market, but as it was all the guys I know who enquired about the possibility of these guys running a 74, work out of Canada, have for many years, and were just looking at it as a potential to move back, although none really thought it was a valid opportunity anyway.
I, like many have worked away from Canada for years, and while I completely agree that there is no chance of matching the dollars we make abroad, money is not everything. Canada is still my home, or at least where I am from, and in an ideal world where I would choose to work and live,... reality dictates otherwise.
So, while one would definately take a large pay cut to go to say Westjet, at least you are living in Canadian dollars as well, which is much cheaper than Europe, so all is semi relative.
I watch the CDN job market from over here, so no direct contact, but from what I can see, it is pretty screwed up these days, Westjet seems the only possible consideration, but as the AC situation plays out, all else looks to get worse.
I can say though, that there are many many Canadians who would gladly take that pay cut, and come back if they had something to go to.
So to get back to the original point, I would say that the "bitter ones" are not those of us currently flying abroad, ( which, agreed you did not imply) a group which includes, Ward Air, Canadian, NationAir, C3, lots are 74 current and keen to get back, so honestly if they say they could not get typed guys, they either don`t read their email, ignore their email, or just like spending money.
I like it
very descriptive statement on the current situation.
Willie:
points taken re the Canadian job market, but as it was all the guys I know who enquired about the possibility of these guys running a 74, work out of Canada, have for many years, and were just looking at it as a potential to move back, although none really thought it was a valid opportunity anyway.
I, like many have worked away from Canada for years, and while I completely agree that there is no chance of matching the dollars we make abroad, money is not everything. Canada is still my home, or at least where I am from, and in an ideal world where I would choose to work and live,... reality dictates otherwise.
So, while one would definately take a large pay cut to go to say Westjet, at least you are living in Canadian dollars as well, which is much cheaper than Europe, so all is semi relative.
I watch the CDN job market from over here, so no direct contact, but from what I can see, it is pretty screwed up these days, Westjet seems the only possible consideration, but as the AC situation plays out, all else looks to get worse.
I can say though, that there are many many Canadians who would gladly take that pay cut, and come back if they had something to go to.
So to get back to the original point, I would say that the "bitter ones" are not those of us currently flying abroad, ( which, agreed you did not imply) a group which includes, Ward Air, Canadian, NationAir, C3, lots are 74 current and keen to get back, so honestly if they say they could not get typed guys, they either don`t read their email, ignore their email, or just like spending money.
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Canada
Posts: 819
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
canadair
Again, I quite agree with your remarks.
Having done the 'overseas' thing myself, I may have compromised some excellent opportunities by an earlier than planned return to the motherland, for various reasons. (Selfishness wasn't one of them.) So, from experience, be careful when you make decisions over there. Homesickness can cause serious judgemental errors when it comes to that.
Unfortunately for me, it's been one regret after another since my return, but that's just the way it's worked for me.
(I'll try not to bore you with the 'crap' I've gone through.)
I've grown indifferent to the Canadian Aviation scene (which is officially, a complete joke) and have started to look for something else that makes sense.
You may find that if you do likewise, the people you're likely to end up flying with back here, simply cannot relate to your overseas experience and will look at you like you're from Mars.
I completely understand the emotional aspect of the Canadian ex-pat wishing to return to Canada, one day. I understand completely!!
As you'd expect, there are many "issues" to deal with in Canadian Aviation and very quickly one has to shake ones head and ask how much more regressive can it get???
Hold onto your hat!
As for the 7-4 Typed CDN Ex-Pat, I know there are dozens out there and an opportunity like this for someone wishing to come home, is more than understandable.
Anyone jumping into the Canadian Airline scene would be well advised to 'go for it'. There aren't the capitalization bucks out there these days, but somebody's got to succeed at it at some point one of these days and as usual, there are those Canadians who feel we aren't good enough to do it as well as the Yanks, Brits, Aussies, you-name-it.
I say.....bah, humbug!!!
P.S. Whatever you do, keep yourself current!!!
Again, I quite agree with your remarks.
Having done the 'overseas' thing myself, I may have compromised some excellent opportunities by an earlier than planned return to the motherland, for various reasons. (Selfishness wasn't one of them.) So, from experience, be careful when you make decisions over there. Homesickness can cause serious judgemental errors when it comes to that.
Unfortunately for me, it's been one regret after another since my return, but that's just the way it's worked for me.
(I'll try not to bore you with the 'crap' I've gone through.)
I've grown indifferent to the Canadian Aviation scene (which is officially, a complete joke) and have started to look for something else that makes sense.
You may find that if you do likewise, the people you're likely to end up flying with back here, simply cannot relate to your overseas experience and will look at you like you're from Mars.
I completely understand the emotional aspect of the Canadian ex-pat wishing to return to Canada, one day. I understand completely!!
As you'd expect, there are many "issues" to deal with in Canadian Aviation and very quickly one has to shake ones head and ask how much more regressive can it get???
Hold onto your hat!
As for the 7-4 Typed CDN Ex-Pat, I know there are dozens out there and an opportunity like this for someone wishing to come home, is more than understandable.
Anyone jumping into the Canadian Airline scene would be well advised to 'go for it'. There aren't the capitalization bucks out there these days, but somebody's got to succeed at it at some point one of these days and as usual, there are those Canadians who feel we aren't good enough to do it as well as the Yanks, Brits, Aussies, you-name-it.
I say.....bah, humbug!!!
P.S. Whatever you do, keep yourself current!!!