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Can't we all just get along!?!? haha
74 - are you actually getting paid?
If you're 'working' there, you must be getting paid...
If you're not getting paid, it's called 'playing'.
Oh, look at what's written at the bottom of the page....
"As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions."
If you actually 'work' at Service Air, and you truly 'know' something....then spit it out. Otherwise, anything you say, or anything anyone else says is pure speculation.
The only undisputable facts are this:
1 - SAG has no aircraft
2 - They have no contracts to operate aircraft (otherwise there would be a pile of investors lined up, and aircraft on the ramp already)
3 - They have a history of making BIG BIG plans and SUPER DUPER claims...but none of them have happened yet.
This smells like that blabber mouth Rosebrugh in Calgary that scammed his way into Cancom.
74 - are you actually getting paid?
If you're 'working' there, you must be getting paid...
If you're not getting paid, it's called 'playing'.
Oh, look at what's written at the bottom of the page....
"As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions."
If you actually 'work' at Service Air, and you truly 'know' something....then spit it out. Otherwise, anything you say, or anything anyone else says is pure speculation.
The only undisputable facts are this:
1 - SAG has no aircraft
2 - They have no contracts to operate aircraft (otherwise there would be a pile of investors lined up, and aircraft on the ramp already)
3 - They have a history of making BIG BIG plans and SUPER DUPER claims...but none of them have happened yet.
This smells like that blabber mouth Rosebrugh in Calgary that scammed his way into Cancom.
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U&D,
Well, all I can say is it's money in my pocket!
I don't know how many times I've said that when there is something that can be said, it will. As for the "undisputed facts" you are right, and I have said - more than once - there are no aircraft yet.
As for number two - you have no knowledge of what contracts we do or don't have. So in your own words it "is pure speculation" on your part. We do have contracts in place - however it is not appropreate to say with who, or release details of those contracts AT THIS TIME. Details will be made public after the first revenue flights.
As for Rosebrugh, he tried to weasle in here at the beinging - and was quickly shooed away.
It's too bad your so negative about this company. We are trying to do something positive for Canadian aviation.
"a man with a positive mental attitude can overcome any adverseity and acheive his goals, but nothing on earth can help a man with a negative mental attitude."
Well, all I can say is it's money in my pocket!
I don't know how many times I've said that when there is something that can be said, it will. As for the "undisputed facts" you are right, and I have said - more than once - there are no aircraft yet.
As for number two - you have no knowledge of what contracts we do or don't have. So in your own words it "is pure speculation" on your part. We do have contracts in place - however it is not appropreate to say with who, or release details of those contracts AT THIS TIME. Details will be made public after the first revenue flights.
As for Rosebrugh, he tried to weasle in here at the beinging - and was quickly shooed away.
It's too bad your so negative about this company. We are trying to do something positive for Canadian aviation.
"a man with a positive mental attitude can overcome any adverseity and acheive his goals, but nothing on earth can help a man with a negative mental attitude."
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Au Contrair 74...
According to the SAG website:
"Service Air has commercial commitments in place with established Canadian and foreign general sales agents (GSA's). More information will be provided when operations commence."
What is a 'commercial commitment' with a GSA worth? Absolutely nothing. There isn't a GSA on the planet that will make a revenue commitment, and that's a fact. If you disagree, you truly don't understand the air cargo business and you should stick to driving the bus.
In fact, when you do have an aircraft, and you are flying, I'll buy some space. There... now you have another 'commercial commitment' in place. What's it worth? Nothing.
I agree, SAG is trying to do something positive for Canadian Aviation. Unfortunately a taxi driver, a couple of bean counters, a dentist, a retired rent-a-cop and a computer Geek don't have what it takes to do it.
From the looks of it, there's only one decent person on the Administration side of things, but he'll need money and aircraft to do anything worthwhile. Let's hope you can give it to him.
Here's a quote for you...
'Brutus, thou dost protest too much.'
If you were making any headway, you'd be busy launching an airline, not beating a dead horse on PPRuNe.
According to the SAG website:
"Service Air has commercial commitments in place with established Canadian and foreign general sales agents (GSA's). More information will be provided when operations commence."
What is a 'commercial commitment' with a GSA worth? Absolutely nothing. There isn't a GSA on the planet that will make a revenue commitment, and that's a fact. If you disagree, you truly don't understand the air cargo business and you should stick to driving the bus.
In fact, when you do have an aircraft, and you are flying, I'll buy some space. There... now you have another 'commercial commitment' in place. What's it worth? Nothing.
I agree, SAG is trying to do something positive for Canadian Aviation. Unfortunately a taxi driver, a couple of bean counters, a dentist, a retired rent-a-cop and a computer Geek don't have what it takes to do it.
From the looks of it, there's only one decent person on the Administration side of things, but he'll need money and aircraft to do anything worthwhile. Let's hope you can give it to him.
Here's a quote for you...
'Brutus, thou dost protest too much.'
If you were making any headway, you'd be busy launching an airline, not beating a dead horse on PPRuNe.
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Unfortunately a taxi driver, a couple of bean counters, a dentist, a retired rent-a-cop and a computer Geek don't have what it takes to do it.
.........and Fred Smith was a high school dropout. What's your point?
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You're comparing this group of Dorks to Fred Smith?!!?
Your head's in the clouds, unfortunately not in the 'I'm at FL350 in a 744F' kind of way.
I don't think anyone wants to hear from you again until you're waving at us from the window of a Service Air 747. So basically, we shouldn't hear from you again. Ever.
Good luck in the EI line. I'll save you a spot. (The lines are shorter in Alberta)
Your head's in the clouds, unfortunately not in the 'I'm at FL350 in a 744F' kind of way.
I don't think anyone wants to hear from you again until you're waving at us from the window of a Service Air 747. So basically, we shouldn't hear from you again. Ever.
Good luck in the EI line. I'll save you a spot. (The lines are shorter in Alberta)
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This may be of interest, given that it relates to Cargo...
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Air Canada Cargo Subcontracts Dedicated Freighters
Air Canada Cargo yesterday announced that it has increased cargo capacity significantly on the north Atlantic and in Canada with the launch of new dedicated freighter services through subcontracted carriers.
Through a lease agreement with Gemini Air Cargo, Air Canada Cargo has introduced five times weekly freighter service between Toronto and Frankfurt. With a total cargo capacity of 85 tonnes, the MD-11 service represents a 16 percent increase in available weight capacity.
In addition, Air Canada Cargo has boosted freight capacity within Canada through an agreement with Cargojet Airways. Using Boeing 727 cargo aircraft on the Toronto/Calgary/Vancouver route, Air Canada Cargo provides its customers with an additional 18 tonnes of upper deck capacity four days per week.
"With the launch of dedicated all-freight services on key routes in Canada and over the North Atlantic, Air Canada Cargo is strengthening its position in the highly competitive cargo business by introducing new services that complement our shared capacity with Air Canada's passenger operations," said Claude Morin, vice president, Air Canada Cargo. "Today, with Air Canada having successfully restructured its business and reduced costs to competitive levels, Air Canada Cargo is positioned to succeed as a stand alone business unit."
Air Canada Cargo is a limited partnership of ACE Aviation Holdings, Inc. It offers cargo services on domestic Canada, U.S. transborder and international flights operated by Air Canada.
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Air Canada Cargo Subcontracts Dedicated Freighters
Air Canada Cargo yesterday announced that it has increased cargo capacity significantly on the north Atlantic and in Canada with the launch of new dedicated freighter services through subcontracted carriers.
Through a lease agreement with Gemini Air Cargo, Air Canada Cargo has introduced five times weekly freighter service between Toronto and Frankfurt. With a total cargo capacity of 85 tonnes, the MD-11 service represents a 16 percent increase in available weight capacity.
In addition, Air Canada Cargo has boosted freight capacity within Canada through an agreement with Cargojet Airways. Using Boeing 727 cargo aircraft on the Toronto/Calgary/Vancouver route, Air Canada Cargo provides its customers with an additional 18 tonnes of upper deck capacity four days per week.
"With the launch of dedicated all-freight services on key routes in Canada and over the North Atlantic, Air Canada Cargo is strengthening its position in the highly competitive cargo business by introducing new services that complement our shared capacity with Air Canada's passenger operations," said Claude Morin, vice president, Air Canada Cargo. "Today, with Air Canada having successfully restructured its business and reduced costs to competitive levels, Air Canada Cargo is positioned to succeed as a stand alone business unit."
Air Canada Cargo is a limited partnership of ACE Aviation Holdings, Inc. It offers cargo services on domestic Canada, U.S. transborder and international flights operated by Air Canada.
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Thanks for that Zepplin.
It's interesting, except that there is nothing new in that news release - except the additional space on the MD-11 vs the 747 combi. A/C has been running freight across Canada for a while using ACE (All Canada Express) now they gave they contract to Cargojet. A/C will simply use these 2 carriers for 2-3 years untill they get their own cargo fleet up and running.
There's lots of freight to go around.
U&D,
No - not directly. But if a highschool dropout can do it - why not a couple of guys with some aviation experiance, business experiance, and some post secondary eduction?
If Fred Smith was starting Fedex today - you'd be dumping all over him right now too.
I've tried to be nice to you but you keep throwing insults. It's cruel to keep feeding trolls. If you keep doing it they will never learn to survive on their own. So I'm going to let you stand in your EI line by yourself. I do wish you the best though.
If anyone else has any serious questions or comments - I'll be around from time to time.
It's interesting, except that there is nothing new in that news release - except the additional space on the MD-11 vs the 747 combi. A/C has been running freight across Canada for a while using ACE (All Canada Express) now they gave they contract to Cargojet. A/C will simply use these 2 carriers for 2-3 years untill they get their own cargo fleet up and running.
There's lots of freight to go around.
U&D,
You're comparing this group of Dorks to Fred Smith?!!?
If Fred Smith was starting Fedex today - you'd be dumping all over him right now too.
I've tried to be nice to you but you keep throwing insults. It's cruel to keep feeding trolls. If you keep doing it they will never learn to survive on their own. So I'm going to let you stand in your EI line by yourself. I do wish you the best though.
If anyone else has any serious questions or comments - I'll be around from time to time.
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People have asked serious questions, and have only heard BS answers.
Frankly, with the way the economy and market is today, a 'Fred Smith' is highly unlikely to succeed. Gone are the days of Barry LaPointe flying around in a little piston popper being a pioneer of air cargo...
Now Richard Branson, Michele LeBlanc, Virmani...guys with a dump truck full of cash to throw into an operation, they are more likely to succeed these days.
Is one of those guys on the team? Didn't think so.........
Frankly, with the way the economy and market is today, a 'Fred Smith' is highly unlikely to succeed. Gone are the days of Barry LaPointe flying around in a little piston popper being a pioneer of air cargo...
Now Richard Branson, Michele LeBlanc, Virmani...guys with a dump truck full of cash to throw into an operation, they are more likely to succeed these days.
Is one of those guys on the team? Didn't think so.........
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HCL, Crewing agency based in Vancouver is recruiting B744 or/and B742 crews for a Canadian Freight and combi start up operation. Can this be serviceair?
https://www.hollandcanadaline.com/00...ract/03CAN.htm
https://www.hollandcanadaline.com/00...ract/03CAN.htm
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No word yet on this ? cargo airline? I have watched this thread from its first post...it has missed the "8" ball.....if it was ever in the game.
It is just sad to see it fall to the bottom of the "message board", so I figured it was time to say something about this ? cargo airline.
russ
NWA 747-200 Cargo - furloughed
It is just sad to see it fall to the bottom of the "message board", so I figured it was time to say something about this ? cargo airline.
russ
NWA 747-200 Cargo - furloughed
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And a very Merry Christmas and happy Holidays to those 'working' at Service Air as well.
Hopefully everyone will get the gift of insight, and JD will put a little truth in the stockings this year.
Hopefully everyone will get the gift of insight, and JD will put a little truth in the stockings this year.