Obtaining Canada CPL on basis ICAO CPL

[CaptPR]

Hello,
I am ICAO CPL holder with MEL with IR rating (at present lapsed). I am doing research on how to obtain Transport Canada CPL on basis of the license that I hold and getting very confused with information that the internet is providing.
Requesting your humble guidance.

[JA8957]

The Transport Canada website has a step by step guide for conversions. What's your main concern?

[Mostly Harmless]

421.30 Aeroplanes (9) - Requirements
https://tc.canada.ca/en/corporate-services/acts-regulations/list-regulations/canadian-aviation-regulations-sor-96-433/standards/standard-421-flight-crew-permits-licences-ratings-canadian-aviation-regulations-cars#421_07

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/licensing-pilots-personnel/flight-crew-licences-permits-ratings/licensing-foreign-pilots

[CaptPR]

Thanks for replying. I have gone through the CARs. The doubt I have is that before appearing for the check ride ( I am endorsed on C172 and PA34), how many hrs of dual I have to fly in each aircraft?

[+TSRA]

There are no individual endorsements for the C172 or PA34 in Canada. Respectively, they are covered under the blanket "all single pilot, non-high performance single-engine land aeroplanes" and "all single pilot, non-high performance multi-engine land" ratings.

In Canada, you only obtain an individual type rating where the aircraft requires at least two pilots (including cruise relief, flight engineers, and second officers), any high-performance aircraft, or any aircraft where there is no blanket type rating issued (CAR 421.40(2))

As far as the hours you need, it is easiest to compare your total hours against the licence you are wishing to obtain the FLVC for. In the case of a CPL, you will want to compare against CAR 421.30(4). Technically, you don't have to do this for an FLVC, but because it is only valid for one year, I imagine your intent is to obtain the FLVC in order to do the CPL flight test, and for that, you'll definitely need to meet the minimum number of hours.

Also, you can't just show up for a flight test in Canada. I can't remember what it's called for a licence, but in the airline world we call it "being nominated." The flight school that you will do the flight test at will want to fly with you for at least a couple of hours before they nominate you to the flight test, if for no other reason than to make sure you meet their insurance requirements. They will confirm that you meet the minimum requirements before you're allowed to take the flight test, so don't worry too much as they'll make sure you're all legal.

The thing I'd be most concerned about is making sure you have enough money for between 5 to 10 hours of renting with an instructor before you take the flight test.

[CaptPR]

+TSRA This information will surely help me, thank you very much for guiding me

[AirUK]

Hi there,

I've also tried asking in a couple of other threads, but I've been searching for more information and haven't been very lucky so far, so here I am again!

I hold a UK CAA-issued ATPL(A) with B757/767 TR. I would like to obtain a Canadian ATPL as well. I wondered if anyone had been through the process and if so, would they be willing to answer a couple of questions for me please?

From what I understand, I need to carry out the following:

1. TC Class 1 medical - I can do this in the UK.
2. SAMRA/SARON/INRAT exams - is there a distance learning course or good study guide and/or practice questions for these? Also, can I sit thee exams anywhere in Europe or do I need to travel to Canada for that?
3. Training as required then Flight test - I assume this needs to be carried out in Canada, but perhaps there is an authorised instructor/examiner in the UK/EU who can do this?
4. Paperwork - as part of this my UK ATPL needs to be checked by TC - I am in full-time airline employment so I can't send this away, I guess the only option would be to book a flight to Canada to have the licence verified in person and have ny logbooks verified at the same time?

Have I missed anything else pertinent? I really appreciate anyone's assistance with this. I have a lot of family in Canada so the dream is to emigrate there one day, but for now I'd settle for just obtaining the licence. Thank you in advance, UK.

[pittss2b]

LIcence conversion

We have the process listed here to convert:
https://www.harvsair.com/course/fore...ce-conversion/

Above all get a Canadian aviation medical at least 2-3 months before wanting to write. Maybe even more with COVID right now. The aviation medical gives you a licence number and you need this licence number to write the exams and do flight test.
https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur....aspx?lang=eng

Cost to convert using a multi engine airplane
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ptjw8j3by...rsion.rtf?dl=0

Online Course to prepare for the INRAT, SAMRA, SARON examinations.
https://www.pilottraining.ca/index.p...product_id=270

Exams can only be done at a Transport Canada office in Canada.
https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/civ...s_and_regional

You can do the ride either in a multi engine airplane or a full flight simulator any where in the world, but only if you have a person who holds the Canadian Pilot Examiner for Instrument Ratings conducting the flight test.

You'll need a Aviation Language ICAO test of 4 or higher. Any ICAO English test is ok.

Once you have the requirements done, you complete this application and submit it in person to one of TC regional locations. Also get 2 passport pictures of yourself

https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Corp-Serv-G.../26-0795_BO_PX
https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Corp-Serv-G.../26-0726E_E_PX

You'll probably want a Canadian Aviation Radio Operators Cert as well, it's pretty easy. We have a online course for such here:
https://www.pilottraining.ca/index.p...product_id=266
Technically your foreign radio licence is valid in Canada, but few operators here know that and expect a Canadian version.

[RanRO]

Hi,

Trust everyone is well and doing good. I am an CAA CPL holder from reading the info on this thread it has come to my understanding that TC issues SEL and MEL rating which is valid for all types of aircrafts. At present I am doing my multi training in Piper 34 and later in the near future I decide to get a TC CPL, to obtain the multi rating I have to give the check ride on PA34 or any multi engine aircraft is ok?

[+TSRA]

come to my understanding that TC issues SEL and MEL rating which is valid for all types of aircrafts

Not quite.

There are ultimately nine different ratings available for persons who hold a licence:

i) All single-pilot non-high performance, single-engine land,
ii) All single-pilot non-high performance, single-engine sea,
iii) All single-pilot non-high performance, single-engine land and sea,
iv) All single-pilot non-high performance, single-engine and centre thrust multi-engine land,
v) All single-pilot non-high performance, single-engine and centre thrust multi-engine sea,
vi) All single-pilot non-high performance, single-engine and centre thrust multi-engine land and sea,
vii) All single-pilot non-high performance, single-engine and multi-engine land,
viii) All single-pilot non-high performance, single-engine and multi-engine land and sea,
ix) Individual Type Ratings.

I specify a licence because there are three other blanket ratings for those pilots who hold a recreational pilot permit.

I digress. As you can see, most general aviation aircraft will fit into one of the first eight ratings depending on engine and gear configuration.

The ninth - an individual type rating - is limited to those aircraft types that meet these requirements:

i) the minimum flight crew is two pilots,
ii) a cruise relief pilot, flight engineer, or second officer is required,
iii) All high-performance aircraft, or
iv) An aircraft that is not otherwise covered by a blanket type rating.

A Seneca does not require or meet any of those requirements and is therefore covered by the "All Single Pilot Non-High Performance Multi-Engine Land" Blanket Type Rating. To obtain the blanket rating, you would complete the ride in any Non-High Performance Multi-Engine aircraft.

For the sake of the argument, you could complete your training in a Seneca and then go do the flight test in a Beech Baron. Why you would do that is beyond me though - you'd be doing the flight test in an airplane you're not familiar with and even though the blanket rating covers airplanes that fly the same and are not generally complex, they still have differences that you don't want to be thinking through in the middle of a flight test. Plus, I'm sure there is an insurance requirement somewhere that says you have to have a minimum number of hours in the aircraft before you do a flight test, especially if the examiner is not employed directly by the flight school (as was the case when I did my multi training).

What you could not do, however, is complete your training in a Seneca and then go do the flight test in, say, a King Air. The King Air requires an Individual Type Rating, so you'd have to do the training applicable to the type rating first, among other pre-requisites.

[CaptPR]

Hey,

How many checkrides have to be given for the conversion from ICAO? Is it only 1 checkride or each checkride for every endorsement (SEL, MEL, IR, Night,VFR over the Top)?