Bombardier offers majority stake in C Series to Airbus

[peekay4]

@Willie

I did mention the Embraer talks in my prior post (2nd para). Frankly, I can't wrap my head around it.

@Torquelink has a good point

Anyway I'm trying to work out some simple numbers. Bombardier made a $3.4 billion investment into the CSeries and for that they need about 300 firm orders at the beginning of commercial service to get through ramp up, etc.

But then they sunk another $2 billion into the program. That's almost a 60% overrun, which simplistically suggests that they also proportionally need 60% additional firm orders (to around 475 total) just for parity.

They're now at 243 which means they actually need more than 230 new firm orders just to get back in healthy state. And that's on top of any possible cancellation from Republic, IFC, etc.

Another way to look at it is from a margin perspective. CS300 lists for $71 million. Again for simplicity lets say they generously make 5% margin off the list price ($3.5 million) and all of the planes they sell are CS300s.

That means the need to sell more than 570 CS300s just to get that additional $2 billion back. That's a staggering amount. To put that in perspective, that's about the size of the entire CRJ 700/900 fleet worldwide, down the drain.

Even if United, JetBlue, Air Canada, etc., all put in large 100 aircraft firm orders each, that still doesn't come close to recouping just this additional $2 billion investment, never mind the original investment, and any new investment they're seeking from partnerships.

So really Bombardier needs to deliver > 2,000 aircraft to make this endeavor worthwhile. Can they? Yes, it's possible.

But I can't see them getting to these numbers by partnering with Embraer, for example. With Airbus at least they can take advantage of that company's massive scale and network.

I know some analysts have called on Bombardier to cancel the CSeries but I don't see how they could at this point. With cancellation costs they'd be left with $10 billion in debt and an aging product line. They're in way too deep.

[striker26]

And once again the point is, not enough sales. Again everyone defending the C-Series is missing the facts. Since inception this airplane has not sold, every airplane they do sell will be like a Christmas gift. I agree that they shouldn't cancel now, and they have looked into partnerships and now to save face, im sure they will push the federal government to allow the sell of majority of their stake to a foreigner who can increase cash flow for the next airplane development (very unlikely as after this election the sale to foreigners is going to be very tough). Its a sad reality but i wish they introduced this airplane 10 years ago.......:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombar...dy_controversy

While Bombardier was crying about domestic subsidies, Embraer created one of the best 75-90 seat airplanes and a suitable replacement to operators who didnt want the 737/a320. Not to mention the RJ's which took many CRJ sales as well. Facts and history speak for themselves, maybe a new vision is in order.

[ExDubai]

I don't get it. Why should Airbus, Boeing or Embraer step in as the wight knight?

[Willie Everlearn]

peekay4

A lot of sensible comments in your post caused me to reflect and research a few of my own thoughts and ideas about all of this. Thanks. Being close to an abyss doesn't necessarily mean you'll fall in or be pushed in. There is however, that possibility if BBD refrain from trying to do something about avoiding it and from what I read, hear, and see, they don't appear to be rushing head-on toward that abyss willingly.
Which might be a good thing. Time will tell. I only would wish them best of luck.

Torque link

I appreciate your comments as well.
While I am not a numbers person when it comes to large number$ or aircraft order$, I take market projections from Airbus and Boeing with a pinch of salt. I do with BBD as well, with a minor exception. I don't think A&B pay too much attention to markets they don't have a major interest in. They've already lost in that 110-130 seat segment. This may be why they blow the CSeries off and I'd even speculate the E2 as well. The reality is the 110-130 seat market segment is there AND the CSeries (perhaps only for a few more months) is the only aircraft at present purposely designed for that market and they've achieved many impressive targets along the way. Overlaps with A&B are there but they are overlaps. Once some carriers get their heads around that and understand how the CSeries won't have to deal with any scope clauses (because it isn't a regional, seating restricted, weight restricted jet) and realize how they take back flying turned over to regional carriers, will they likely start buying CSeries. That's simply the way I see it and I'm not looking for any agreement or disagreement.
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Embraer (apparently) are denying they're in any talks with BBD. So, between the two stories I've heard this week, I have no idea what's really going on
When a company has a successful aircraft like the CRJ series, it's difficult not to recognize a successful competitor like Embraer who also have a successful stable of their own. As for which is the better aircraft that's simply a subjective opinion. As for the CSeries, my subjective opinion is that it's superior to any E jet which, by the way, may be targeted for the same seating capacity, but has no way near the cockpit or cabin compared to the CSeries and that will likely be a big deal to the people who buy aeroplanes. We'll see.

Willie

[peekay4]

I don't get it. Why should Airbus, Boeing or Embraer step in as the wight knight?

To make money, obviously, while at the same time neutralizing a competitor.

Thinking out loud:

If Airbus can take a majority stake in a CSeries joint-venture for say $2 billion, that could be a steal, for a program that's close to certification and has most of the risks already solved. They get the potential upside without any the downside.

With time Airbus can also negotiate more forcefully with the CSeries supply chain, and leverage their vast sales and service networks to ensure the program's success. They could also demand more efficiency from internal Bombardier manufacturing.

And with Airbus backing, airlines which today may lack confidence in Bombardier can be secure in placing orders.

Airbus can also offer the CSeries as a sweetener to their customers, to package alongside the regular lineup, complementing or outright replacing the tepid A319neo.

Strategically, they can also ensure that there's no CS500 to compete with the A320 in the future.

Lots of questions though:

- How big is the actual market for 110-160 seat jet aircraft? Hundreds? Thousands?
- How will the deal be financed?
- What would be Airbus's ROI on the money they put into the joint venture?
- Will the Quebec government agree to consolidation of plants, etc., for efficiency?
- What's the best strategy vs. the A319neo?
- Will having the CSeries really help sell more A320s and above?
- How problematic is the lack of common cockpit, spares, etc., on the service network?

[ExDubai]

Peekay

Airbus developed around the A320 a family of aircrafts with a common design and most important with a lot of common parts. This designfeature is helps a) keep production cost under control and b) is a hell of an sales argument when it comes to maintenence cost, etc. The other usp is the flight deck/type rating. So why should Airbus try and sell an Aircraft which doesn't fit into their productline?

The point is, if Airbus needs an Aircraft in the range of the CS 100, it will be a derivate of the A320 family because Airbus and their customers are able to take the full advantage of the common development/design. Bombardier is not really a competition for neither Airbus or Boeing. They are to small and they play in a total different league. Don't know if the figure is right but I heard that BMD is bleeding 400 Mio. Dollar/quarter. Plus the upcoming cost to ramp up the CSeries production, no clou where BDD will find the necessary cash for a CS 500 development.

Embraer has already a product which is a competition for Bombardier. So why should EMB be the "white knight". Embraer wouldn't start breaking out in tears if one of their main competitors is struggeling over the next years. BDD is loosing ground on the commercial and on the business/private jet market.

At the end of the day there are only 2 options for the financial problems of Bombardier. A) Foreign/Chinese money or B) the canadian tax payer.

Bombardier needs a large order from somebody like United. Currently I don't know if BDD is willing to pay the prize for such a kind of order (meaning selling them on a hugh discount).

Also interesting the current leasing rates/month
http://www.myairlease.com/resources/fleetstatus

[peekay4]

@ExDubai

Did you see my last bullet point above? The lack of commonality is an obvious question in any analysis of a possible partnership.

BUT, the fact is, within the Airbus Group they obviously already have numerous heterogeneous aircraft with no commonality between them.

And more to the point, Airbus already have several joint ventures. Like the 50%-50% JV with Alenia to make the ATR 42/72 mentioned earlier in the thread, and also their 30% stake in DAHER-SOCATA for the TBM 700.

So similarly they can enter say a 51%-49% JV with Bombardier for the CSeries.

Bombardier probably need $2 to $3 billion plus 300-400 firm orders to get the CSeries in sound footing. So it's not a matter of just getting money from the Canadian/Quebec government or from China. As @striker26 points out, they need sales, and for that they need a strategic partner.

IF (and it's a big if) Bombardier can survive independently and take the CSeries to a break-even-point, then there is no doubt that a CS500 will be on their sights. Expanding the product line beyond the CS100 & CS300 is almost the only way they could rationalize the current investment in the program.

If so, Airbus might regret not spending that $2 billion.

[Grizzz]

Canadian election coming on the 19th. As I see it, 2 of the main contending parties will offer some kind of help to Bombardier, as both are currently promising the sky to any Quebec based business enterprise. Bombardier may get a hand up from all us poor Canucks.

[ExDubai]

....Bombardier may get a hand up from all us poor Canucks.

That's the reason why you pay taxes, it's called solidarity with the weak and poor ones

[twochai]

Embraer (apparently) are denying they're in any talks with BBD. So, between the two stories I've heard this week, I have no idea what's really going on

A tie-up with Embraer makes no sense at all:

(a) because of product line overlap,
(b) because EMB has plenty of problems of their own right now, like:

(a) Brazil and its serious financial and business issues
(b) The KC390 military transport - serious technical problems resulting in an announced two year delay on a fixed price development contract, with minimal ultimate market potential in a saturated and declining segment:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-kc-390-415195

[Willie Everlearn]

From Leeham news...

"Earlier this year, Airbus officials said they will concentrate on improving existing airplanes once the A350 enters service.

Boeing followed by saying it would not take any “moonshots” and develop new airplanes, at least for some indeterminate time.

The sentiment on the part of both companies is understandable if not disappointing for aviation purists who want to see new and innovative airplane models rather than made-over sub-types.

This is one of those cases where both schools of thought are right.

New airplanes are, to state the obvious, very expensive to develop and in this increasingly technological age and demand for “smarter” airplanes that are more fuel efficient and which try to improve passenger experience while cramming as many revenue-paying passengers into the airplane as possible, becoming more and more challenging. Where it once was possible to bring an airplane to market within four years of launch, today airframers routinely look at seven years and even eight. Even derivative airplanes are now taking six or seven years to enter service from launch.

The most recent all-new new airplane programs that suffered delays are the Boeing 787, the Airbus A350, A380, the Bombardier CSeries, the Mitsubishi MRJ, the AVIC (now COMAC) ARJ-21, the COMAC C919, Sukhoi SSJ and the Irkut MC-21.

In other words, every single one. Some are running 18 months late (the A350), two years (the CSeries and MRJ and some are much longer (787, SSJ, ARJ21 and C919). Reasons vary, from inexperience (AVIC, COMAC and Mitsubishi) to industrial issues (787), design issues (ARJ-21, 787) and technical issues (pretty much all in one way or another).

Programs have price tags in the billions before anything goes wrong. Boeing’s 787 probably has set a record for program cost overruns in the civilian sector, with estimates hitting $22bn all-in–Boeing won’t put a price tag on it publicly. So it’s only natural that with these numbers and technical challenges at stake that the OEMs want to “harvest” the technology, as Boeing puts it, not only in derivatives but across family siblings.

Boeing’s 787 was a program debacle but this didn’t stop the company from applying design features and technologies rather quickly across the siblings. The 787’s 21st Century look interior inspire the interiors for the 747-8 and 737. Elements will clearly be included in the forthcoming 777X. The 787’s GEnx engines were applied to the 747-8 and so were elements of the 787 wing design, which were also applied to the 777X. The 787-8/9 begot the 787-10.

At Airbus, the company was sorely hurt by the development costs and delays of the A380 and military A400M. The cash squeeze, in our view, forced Airbus into at first a band-aid response to the 787 and expensive redesigns of the A350 until it settled on the three-member family of the XWB, the -800/900/1000. The -800 was the response to the 787-9; the -900 and -1000 took on the 777-200 and 300ER. The 787-8 went unchallenged, technologically speaking, leaving this battle to the A330, which for clarity we will call the A330 Classic.

Any fair assessment concludes that Airbus fumbled the ball, though it was a fumble induced by the A380 and A400M issues. Trying to cover two competitors, the 787 and the 777, with one family simply wasn’t a strategy that many thought would work. While Airbus was making the argument that the 787 carried too few passengers in an aviation world that was increasing in size, thus justifying the larger A350-800, its A350-1000 was smaller that the 777-300ER it was designed to compete with. This would come back to haunt Airbus in the coming years.

As time passed, it became clear the -800 wasn’t the right solution. Aircraft economics just weren’t good enough. The airplane cost about as much to operate as the larger -900 but it carried fewer passengers. Airlines were beginning to upgauge to the -900 and, in a few cases, the -1000, in part because Airbus had limited resources and were concentrating them on the -900 and -1000. It was clear the -800 had limited appeal and would be better off dropped. But what to do to cover the 787-8 and 787-9 markets?

The -1000 had its own issues. the original intent was to have full commonality between the family members, including the all-important (and very expensive) engines. But the performance was proving to fall short as analysis progressed. Airbus and engine maker Rolls-Royce soon tweaked the airplane, but in doing so angered customers because some of the critical engine commonality was lost. Emirates Airlines years later canceled its order for the A350 because it wasn’t the airplane it contracted for, said president Tim Clark.

After Boeing launched the 777-9, which carries an advertised 407 passengers to the -1000’s advertised 369, Airbus is faced with having too-small an airplane against the 777. The company is working to close the gap.

Airbus and Boeing weren’t the only OEMs to encounter problems with new airplane programs. Mitsubishi is two years late with the MRJ regional jet. Bombardier is 18-24 months late with the CSeries. China’s AVIC and COMAC, building their first jet transports that aren’t mere “Chinese copies” of other Western jetliners, are finding great difficulty and endless challenges. Russia’s Sukhoi and Irkut, integrating Western technology into local designs, are running into challenges as well.

Embraer, on the other hand, elected to take a bye on going with a new airplane design to succeed its popular E-Jet, electing instead to proceed with derivatives. It’s too early to know whether EMB is going to have challenges, but other OEMS found that derivatives can be anything but easy.

With multiples and multiples of billions of dollars at stake to develop new airplanes, and the billions of dollars of cost overruns at risk, it’s understandable the Airbus and Boeing are shifting to looking at derivatives and incremental improvements now for the lower-risk and ability to “harvest” technology across family lines.

This is hardly new. Airframers have been doing this since the Douglas DC-1 prototype begot the DC-2, which led to the DC-3. The Douglas DC-4 was the basis for the DC-6 and DC-7, for which there were A, B and C versions. Lockheed revamped the L-049 Constellation through several major upgrades (the -649, 749, 1049 and 1649, with several sub-sub-types in between). Convair created the CV-240 and revised it twice with the CV-340 and 440. The Martin 202 became the 303 (dumped after design issues with the 202) and the 404.

The trend continued into the jet age. Douglas created the DC-8-10/20/30/40/50 on the same basic airframe and really went to town with the DC-8 Super 60 Series. The DC-9-10 became the -20/30/40/50, the Super 80 (in four variants) and the basis for the MD-90 and MD-95. Boeing’s ground-breaking 707-120 became the 138/227/320B/C, the 707-020 (more commonly known as the 720), the C-135/KC-135 and a number of other military variants. The fuselage was the basis of the 727, 737 and 757. And so on.

European manufacturers of the early jet age followed the same pattern. There were four commercial versions intended for the deHavilland Comet. The Hawker Siddeley came in multiple versions, as did the British Aircraft Corp. BAC-111.

Bombardier created several versions of the Dash 8 turbo prop and the CRJ regional jet. Embraer has four versions of its E-Jet, reduced to three in the forthcoming E2 re-engined derivative.

Derivatives usually are successful, but not always. Often there becomes a “derivative too far.”
The small Boeing 737-500 sold reasonably well, 389, but its upgraded counter part, the 737-600 proved a dud with just 69 sales. The 737-7 MAX has done even worse: 55 sales to just two customers. We doubt this model will ever be built.
The Airbus A319 sold more than 1,500 in its original version, a solid number by any standard, but the upgraded A319neo has just 49 sales. The smaller A318 topped out at 79 sales.
Specialty airplanes haven’t done well, either. The Douglas DC-8 Super 62, designed to be a an extended long range airplane of the era, garnered just 51 orders. The more recent super-long range airplane, the 777LR, has sold 59; the last commercial airline order was three years ago. The -200LR replacement, the 777-8, is unlikely to do much better. The 747SP did worse, selling just 45.

Boeing’s decision to proceed with derivatives for the 737 and 777 rather than new designs stemmed from the debacles of the 787 program, which in turn adversely affected the 747-8, inducing two years of delays and adding billions to the cost.

Boeing ridiculed Airbus for proceeding with the A380 but went ahead with the 747-8, which has done far worse. The A380, no barn-burner by any means, has 314 net sales but the 747-8I has 51 sales (19 t Lufthansa and several head-of-state orders). There have been 67 747-8F orders. Boeing has already taken a write-off of more than $1bn on the program and is likely facing another big charge and a production rate cut. Outside of the public face of Boeing, there are few who believe the program has much life left and when talking to Boeing personnel privately, they almost to a person agree. This is clearly an example of a derivative too far.

So were the Airbus A340-500 and to a lesser degree the -600. One can argue whether the A340 was a mistake, but at the time of its launch, ETOPS was in its infancy and two-engine safety over water for extended flights was still a matter of some disagreement. The A340 simply came along at an inopportune time. Developing the super-long range -500 fell into the specialty airplane tap and the -600 was hampered by thirsty engines at a time when twin-engines had made four-engine aircraft obsolete. Bad timing all around.

Boeing’s 787 family now consists of the -8/9-10. The 10 has 139 orders, but sales have largely stalled since its launch. There are 459 orders of the 8 and 456 for the 9. Why isn’t the 10 selling better? It’s the largest family member, at a nominal seating of 323, with decent range of 7,000nm. Economics on the airplane should be at the top of the industry.

When we talk to people in the industry, comments range from the 10 will be a “niche” airplane to the line is sold out to 2020. The consensus opinion, however, is that Boeing is simply demanding too much money for the value received. The 10’s list price is $297.5m, $40m more than the 9 and $32.5m less than the larger, more capable 777-300ER.

Boeing’s 737 MAX family is a story of Good News-Bad News. The program has nearly 2,300 firm orders, clearly a success. But the MAX 7 has only 55 and the MAX 9 perhaps 350-400 when making some allocations of the Series TBD category–not bad, but trailing the competing A321neo by a factor of more than 2-3:1. The MAX 9 is widely recognized to have field performance issues. It can’t get off a 10,000 ft runway with maximum payload and fuel, according to our sources and our own calculations. The poor-selling MAX 9 is a get reason why Airbus retains about a 60% market share in the single aisle category and why a survey of an audience of 1,200 at the recent ISTAT conference in Istanbul showed 50% believe Airbus now has the better competitive single-aisle airplane vs 23% for Boeing–a market perception that must strike a dagger in Boeing’s ego.

Airbus announced it will re-engine the A330 and incorporate some other improvements. Boeing quickly began to talk down the airplane, to be point of being insulting-which tells us it’s worried about the A330neo. (Airbus resorted to the same tactic against the Bombardier CSeries.) Boeing routinely compared the 787-10 with the A330neo and boasted the 10 has 30% better economics. When you consider that 10 carriers 35 more passengers, you can see why Boeing would make this claim–but Boeing’s silence on comparing the 787-8/9 with the economics of the A330-800/900 is deafening.

Our own sources inside Boeing tell us Boeing is, in fact, quite worried about the challenge the neo presents to the 8/9, particularly with Airbus’ ability to price the neo much lower than the 8/9.
Embraer comes in almost as an afterthought in such discussions because with jets seating 75-122 passengers, the E-Jet is essentially overshadowed by the sex, sales and bickering at the Airbus and Boeing levels.

Some make an argument that Embraer was wiser to choose the derivative route in proceeding with a re-engined E-Jet, the E2, than was Bombardier in designing a new, clean-sheet jet. BBD had no choice: its CRJs are out-classed by the E-Jet and the CRJ-1000 is another example of a stretch-too-far.

Furthermore, the E-Jet aircraft isn’t that old–although design does, indeed, date to the late 1990s (the E-Jet entered service in 2004), wings and engines make the airplane and the E2 will have new designs of each. With a large, installed customer base for what is now known as the E1, EMB faced a much easier sales task than BBD did and does for the CSeries, for which a customer base must be created. In many respects, on a number of levels, EMB’s decision to go with a derivative was the classic no-brainer.

Despite the Airbus/Boeing strategies today of pursuing derivatives and harvesting technology, we are firmly convinced Boeing has no choice but to launch a 757/737-9 replacement in 2018, followed in two years by a replacement for the 737-8. The 737 has been taken as far as it can go. The MAX 7 is dead and the MAX 9 is struggling. The recently launched MAX 200 will be a highly niche airplane that will limit its appeal. This makes the MAX family basically a plane-and-a-half family.

The A319neo, if it is built (we think this more likely given special hot-and-high condition of Avianca Columbia) has already been reduced to today’s A318. The A320neo and A321neo are selling very well. Both are subject to incremental improvements and we expect to see more that will further enhance their competitiveness and capabilities. But when (not if) Boeing launches a replacement program for the 757/737, Airbus will have to follow.

It’s almost 2015 and 2018 isn’t that far away. For the purists who want to see new airplanes, we don’t think you will have long to wait."

Food for thought.
Gino

[evansb]

Mitsubishi's MRJ maiden flight is scheduled within the next two months...

[peekay4]

Canadian election coming on the 19th. As I see it, 2 of the main contending parties will offer some kind of help to Bombardier, as both are currently promising the sky to any Quebec based business enterprise. Bombardier may get a hand up from all us poor Canucks.

Well if the Liberals win tomorrow (and they're up in the polls) then Bombardier can pretty much kiss the 12 orders from Porter Airlines goodbye. Those orders are conditional on an expansion of the Toronto City Airport, which the Liberals are on the record of opposing.

Bombardier is still pretty much a family-owned company, and no one will invest a huge amount of new cash into the company unless the family is willing to make some deep concessions (which so far they're not willing to do). Hence a joint-venture might be a better option.

And for Canadians, do we really want to bail out a super-rich family which has insisted on some questionable strategy? In Quebec (and Canada) there is a lot of patriotic feelings when it comes to Bombardier, but the reality is we may be bailing out a bunch of billionaires.

The most recent all-new new airplane programs that suffered delays are the Boeing 787, the Airbus A350, A380, the Bombardier CSeries, the Mitsubishi MRJ, the AVIC (now COMAC) ARJ-21, the COMAC C919, Sukhoi SSJ and the Irkut MC-21.

Mitsubishi's MRJ maiden flight is scheduled within the next two months...

Yeah. And even if the MRJ turns out to be a complete disaster and they cancel the entire thing, what's the impact to parent companies Mitsubishi and Toyota? Nothing. They have trillions of dollars in assets. The MRJ is a minor "side investment" to them.

And that's one of the ways the CSeries differs from the other programs mentioned.

The CSeries isn't just a "moonshot", but is a "bet the farm" proposition. When you "bet the farm", mistakes aren't just costly: they threaten your very existence.

During the 787 program, even after numerous delays, Boeing's overall financial health was barely affected. Their credit rating went from A+ to A. Airbus Group's credit rating actually went up during the A350 program.

Bombardier's credit rating is now junk, with negative outlook for even further reductions.

The 787 and A350 also had a proven market, with over 800 firm orders each at the time of their respective first flights, all but guaranteeing their financial positions.

Bombardier is struggling right now just to keep their 243 orders.

[ICT_SLB]

G7000/8000 are "delayed" - with the demonstrated efficiency of the CSeries, would there be significant sales of a BBJ-like Executive variant in their place? The airframe cost would not appear to be significant in that market.

[ExDubai]

G7000/8000 are "delayed" - with the demonstrated efficiency of the CSeries, would there be significant sales of a BBJ-like Executive variant in their place? The airframe cost would not appear to be significant in that market.

A C-Series business jet would make sense, but not as replacement for the G7000/8000. It could be a interesting competition for Embraer Lineage 1000 and the small Airbus ACJ or Boeing BBJ. Esp. if Aux fuel tanks available. The Global 7000/8000 are ULR Jets with a range of 7.300 NM and above to compete with the latest Gulfstream Jets. And when you see the Gulfstream sales numbers the Global 7000/8000 should have been in the market since 2013.

[peekay4]

In an AFP article this morning an industry analyst puts the CSeries break-even point at 800 firm orders, up from the original 300 target.

Back-of-napkin calculations suggests that even in a good case scenario the program will be losing money for around 7 years.

It also implies they'll need much more than $2 billion extra to invest in the program, on top of the $5.4+ billion spent to date.

They're really cutting it to the edge with this one.

http://news.yahoo.com/bombardier-win...063654327.html

[ExDubai]

City Jet announced that they will purchase/lease 15 Superjets +10 options.
One of their Investors explained that the prize tag on the C-Series is a real challenge for a regional airline. The weak Rubel and Real is another challenge

[ExDubai]

Interesting article about profit and new developments....
Will 787 program ever show an overall profit? Analysts grow more skeptical | The Seattle Times

[_Phoenix]

C Series aircraft is the greenest single-aisle aircraft in its class, it has radically reduced emissions and flies 4 times quieter than other in-production aircraft in its class. It has enhanced cabin interiors and lowest seat-mile cost in its class. I strongly believe that this plane is a brand new design of 21st century and it will become a real competitor, for decades to come.

[ExDubai]

I strongly believe that this plane is a brand new design of 21st century and it will become a real competitor, for decades to come...

How much do you want to bet The question is, under which Brand name....