Air Transat Hiring Again!
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Have just read on another forum that Transat pilots have obtained a one million dollar loan{gift?} from ALPA International so as to give them some clout during upcoming contract talks, will be away flying for a day, so maybe someone with more info could post.
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Clunk, What do you care if we got a million, you got a hard on against this company, so what is it to you?? We'll never be able to negotiate something good enough that would warant your approuval. Remember your pension is worth more than my salary. 
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TheCanuck,
Pardon me, but I have to contribute the following.
While I know very little of AT I've watched their success over the last 20 plus years and understand the contributions many pilots past and present must have contributed to that success.
Good luck to you and your pilot group with your negotiations. As negative as I am with regard to the flying business in this country, I sincerely hope you set a new standard in pilot wages by negotiating a fair and reasonable payscale for all professional pilots suffering at Canadian carriers from coast to coast of all types and sizes, to envy. I have every confidence that pilots under ALPA's guidance, flying an all wide body fleet, will be held to an international standard befitting your operation and not the usual drivel spit out by idiotic airline management of hard times, beyond our control operating costs, reduced margins, high oil prices and just about any other 'excuse' imaginable. These are tough economic times, and blah, blah, blah.
They will undoubtedly counter by pointing out the airline may very well fail. Actually, based on many management egos, that's not a likely scenario as these threats, enlightening statements, whatever you might refer to them as, have been made year after year after year. We're more afraid of the unknown possibilities than they are. In the end, no guts, no glory. If it kills your airline, then moving forward you'll realize the airline was in shaky financial shape anyway and was likely doomed to failure, regardless. What better time to be standing in such a strong bargaining position? Look at the pilot recruiting going on around the world. Have no fear. You have a fallback position and it doesn't include concessions.
Well, while they're paying these unreasonable expenses claimed to be out of their control, maybe they should ponder how these aircraft will make it into the air if the ever rising day to day costs for the 'industry standard' pilot and his family which aren't being met, don't show up to work?
Improving your lot in life will have a knock on effect at every carrier at every level. So, good luck you and your ALPA pilot group.
Willie
Pardon me, but I have to contribute the following.
While I know very little of AT I've watched their success over the last 20 plus years and understand the contributions many pilots past and present must have contributed to that success.
Good luck to you and your pilot group with your negotiations. As negative as I am with regard to the flying business in this country, I sincerely hope you set a new standard in pilot wages by negotiating a fair and reasonable payscale for all professional pilots suffering at Canadian carriers from coast to coast of all types and sizes, to envy. I have every confidence that pilots under ALPA's guidance, flying an all wide body fleet, will be held to an international standard befitting your operation and not the usual drivel spit out by idiotic airline management of hard times, beyond our control operating costs, reduced margins, high oil prices and just about any other 'excuse' imaginable. These are tough economic times, and blah, blah, blah.
They will undoubtedly counter by pointing out the airline may very well fail. Actually, based on many management egos, that's not a likely scenario as these threats, enlightening statements, whatever you might refer to them as, have been made year after year after year. We're more afraid of the unknown possibilities than they are. In the end, no guts, no glory. If it kills your airline, then moving forward you'll realize the airline was in shaky financial shape anyway and was likely doomed to failure, regardless. What better time to be standing in such a strong bargaining position? Look at the pilot recruiting going on around the world. Have no fear. You have a fallback position and it doesn't include concessions.
Well, while they're paying these unreasonable expenses claimed to be out of their control, maybe they should ponder how these aircraft will make it into the air if the ever rising day to day costs for the 'industry standard' pilot and his family which aren't being met, don't show up to work?
Improving your lot in life will have a knock on effect at every carrier at every level. So, good luck you and your ALPA pilot group.
Willie
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Thanks Willie,
If the company shuts down because of these negotiations, you're right it was on shaky grounds, then better they fail now than later. I'm glad that Alpa gave us this grant to help us out with these negotiations.
cheers
If the company shuts down because of these negotiations, you're right it was on shaky grounds, then better they fail now than later. I'm glad that Alpa gave us this grant to help us out with these negotiations.
cheers
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I've been around this business for quite awhile and I've seen, heard and known of many pilots who've given numerous concessions, (year after year, negotiation after negotiation) to their employer out of fear their operation may have to shut down if the pilots don't help out.
When you eventually find yourself at a point where it's time to gain back some of what you've given up or lost over time, you're at a crossroad.
A) If you're one of these poor sods, having given up these concessions and given into those appeals, over the course of several years and economic cycles, how would you feel if you gave into yet another appeal and came up short in your compensation package AND the company somehow manages to continue to operate?
Who got the better deal?
B) Now, if you're one of these poor sods, having given up these concessions and given in to these appeals, over the course of several years and economic cycles, how would you feel if you got what you deserved in a compensation package and the company still continues to operate? Who got the better deal?
C) If you're one of these poor sods, having given up these concessions and given into those appeals, over the course of several years and economic cycles, how would you feel if you got what you wanted AND the company at some point down the road has to shut down?
Who got the better deal?
(Rhetorical questions, of course)
Many will watch with curiosity, like kids glued to the window at Baskin-Robbins.
Willie
When you eventually find yourself at a point where it's time to gain back some of what you've given up or lost over time, you're at a crossroad.
A) If you're one of these poor sods, having given up these concessions and given into those appeals, over the course of several years and economic cycles, how would you feel if you gave into yet another appeal and came up short in your compensation package AND the company somehow manages to continue to operate?
Who got the better deal?
B) Now, if you're one of these poor sods, having given up these concessions and given in to these appeals, over the course of several years and economic cycles, how would you feel if you got what you deserved in a compensation package and the company still continues to operate? Who got the better deal?
C) If you're one of these poor sods, having given up these concessions and given into those appeals, over the course of several years and economic cycles, how would you feel if you got what you wanted AND the company at some point down the road has to shut down?
Who got the better deal?
(Rhetorical questions, of course)
Many will watch with curiosity, like kids glued to the window at Baskin-Robbins.
Willie
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Canuck, I dont have any "hard " feelings about your company, and if my pension is indeed greater than your income and you are in the left seat of a widebody, then this is totally wrong! For the life of me I cant understand your apparent pride in this situation, I no longer fly three hundred folks around the world, you do, you should be paid for it, lets hope that the new guts being shown by the pilots at Spirit, Jazz, and Transat marks a begining of a rebuilding pilots status/pay/working conditions around the world, not just in North America. By the way, I number severall Transat pilots anoung my close friends, they share this view, good luck to all of you in this endevour!
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Approaching 60, with 4,000 plus between the A300-600 and A310-300 AND living in Montreal, tabernac. How do I get on with AT?
(oops, sorry, too old and not current on type. Who said they were looking for experience?)
but it was all good fun over the years.
Willie
(oops, sorry, too old and not current on type. Who said they were looking for experience?)
but it was all good fun over the years.
Willie
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Stand by, drama on the horizon, things are just about to change with AT. Negotation are in a dead end, company want to bring the company 20 years back in the industry, sad very sad and not looking good!!! Not sure Union are up to the challenge on this one!! I guess the ''modus operantis'' from Canjet and Sunwing have just kill all the gain we made in Canada in the last couple years...prostitution in this industry are not yet to disapear...
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billy
TS pilots will be okay.
You have to stand your ground. Darkwing and Scamjet don't have the uplift outside their commitments. Nor do they have the crew. When TS shutsdown, the TS aircraft will be parked. An aircraft on the ground that doesn't earn an income isn't going to sit idle for very long.
Believe me, the Pilots are in the driver's seat.
Good luck.
Willie
TS pilots will be okay.
You have to stand your ground. Darkwing and Scamjet don't have the uplift outside their commitments. Nor do they have the crew. When TS shutsdown, the TS aircraft will be parked. An aircraft on the ground that doesn't earn an income isn't going to sit idle for very long.
Believe me, the Pilots are in the driver's seat.
Good luck.
Willie
