Emirates vs. Air Canada
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I agree with Nolimit.
First, Canada and Australia are very different markets for a few important reasons. Maybe not important to you....
Second, there are others at the table that are willing to benefit Canada more than UAE are.
Third, it's Canada's assets for sale, not UAEs to take.
Fourth, free market does not mean you can fly where and when you want. I know the name implies that, but if you truly believe that you are a uneducated fool. Second part to that, it does not benefit Canada by having one with the UAE. The reason why are a mile long and have been beaten to death. Do your own homework.
Final point: The routes were always there FOR SALE. If you want it then first, behave professionally (sorry UAE you blew your wad on that note), and second ANTE UP.
First, Canada and Australia are very different markets for a few important reasons. Maybe not important to you....
Second, there are others at the table that are willing to benefit Canada more than UAE are.
Third, it's Canada's assets for sale, not UAEs to take.
Fourth, free market does not mean you can fly where and when you want. I know the name implies that, but if you truly believe that you are a uneducated fool. Second part to that, it does not benefit Canada by having one with the UAE. The reason why are a mile long and have been beaten to death. Do your own homework.
Final point: The routes were always there FOR SALE. If you want it then first, behave professionally (sorry UAE you blew your wad on that note), and second ANTE UP.
Good Morning All:
Although this thread has gone cold due to people running out of discussion points.
I have inserted the following from BBC World which might shed light on how "politics" are run in that side of the world.
Qatar's Bin Hammam accused of buying 2022 World Cup
Page last updated at 10:55 GMT, Monday, 30 May 2011 11:55 UK
Warner faces the media with the email he purports to have come from Valcke
Suspended Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has made public an e-mail that claims Mohamed Bin Hammam "bought" the 2022 World Cup finals for Qatar.
Fifa general secretary Jerome Valcke admitted he sent the e-mail, which also questioned why Asian football boss Bin Hammam was running for Fifa president.
Valcke wrote: "[Hammam] thought you can buy Fifa as they bought the World Cup."
However, Valcke said "it was a private e-mail" and pointed out that Warner had only published selected parts of it.
"He [Warner] sent me an email asking if I want that [Bin Hammam to run for Fifa president], he said that I should ask Bin Hammam to pull out," Valcke added.
Valcke also denied that he had influenced Fifa's ethics committee which Fifa suspended Warner and Bin Hammam on Sunday over separate allegations of bribery, pending further investigation.
He stated: "The first time I met the chairman of the ethics committee was yesterday [Sunday] at 1700 before we went to the press conference. I had no contact at all with anyone."
Bin Hammam was suspended a matter of hours after withdrawing from the Fifa presidential race on Sunday morning.
His decision leaves 75-year-old incumbent Sepp Blatter, who is seeking a fourth term in charge of the organisation he has run unopposed since 1998, as the only man running for the office. Blatter is due to hold a news conference on Monday at 1700 BST.
Fifa has said its election will go ahead, as scheduled, on Wednesday.
Warner, who is president of the North, Central American and Caribbean confederation (Concacaf), has reacted angrily to the allegations of bribery and the Fifa ethics committee's decision to suspend him.
The Trinidad and Tobago government minister raged: "I look on the suspension as the worst form of justice by any sporting organisation.
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You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it
Jack Warner
"They came premeditated, they weren't prepared to listen, they were hand-picked to do a task and they did just that.
"The guys were hand-picked by Blatter. A kangaroo court would be a decent thing to say."
Warner, who also turned on Valcke, stated: "I wrote to Valcke telling him, among other things, that the outcome of the [Fifa presidential] elections may cause some fracture in the Arab world which we can ill afford now and that I will like to ask Bin Hammam to withdraw from the race.
"To which Jerome replied to me and I quote: 'For MBH [Mohamad Bin Hammam], I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB [Joseph Sepp Blatter].
"Or he thought you can buy Fifa as they [Qatar] bought the WC [World Cup]'."
Warner showed the e-mail to television crews and added: "You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it."
Warner has also accused Blatter of making a gift of computers and an unauthorised $1m (£607,000) to Concacaf officials.
"I indicated that at the Miami Concacaf Congress on 3 May Mr Blatter made a gift of $1m to Concacaf to spend as it deems fit," Warner said in a statement.
"This annoyed [Uefa] president Michel Platini who was present and he approached secretary general Jerome Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the finance committee to make this gift to which Jerome replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter.
"I also indicated Fifa, through Mr Blatter, organised gifts of laptops and projectors to all members of the Caribbean and no objections have been made today of this to date."
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Deputy chair of Fifa's ethics committee, Petrus Damaseb: "Mr Bin Hammam is hereby provisionally banned from taking part in any kind of football-related activity"
However, Platini said on Monday that he was having a joke with Blatter.
The Frencham said: "He [Blatter] can give [to] the projects that he wants to give. I joke, I said 'but Sepp this was not accepted by the committee' - but he can give many projects to many national associations and we will confirm in the GOAL project after.
"In many Congresses for many, many years the president can give one or two projects to national associations - he has his own budget and he can give to one confederation and then it has to be approved of course by the executive committee next time."
Blatter has denied any wrong-doing as have Warner and Hammam, who are accused of offering financial incentives to members of the Caribbean Football Union.
In a file of evidence it was claimed bundles of cash of up to $40,000 (£24,200) were handed over to members of the CFU at the meeting in Trinidad on 10 and 11 May.
The payments were allegedly made to secure votes for Bin Hammam in his campaign to challenge Blatter for the presidency.
Bin Hammam effectively claimed Blatter was aware of some of the wrongdoing but the Fifa president did not report it, in itself a breach of Fifa's ethics code, but he was found to have no case to answer.
And last week, Qatar 2022 World Cup officials denied allegations, published in the Sunday Times, that they paid bribes in return for votes.
Meanwhile, independent Australian senator Nick Xenophon has demanded that Fifa refunds the Aus$45.6m (£29.6m) they spent on their unsuccessful bid to host the 2022 World Cup.
Xenophon said: "It appears corrupt and highly questionable behaviour goes to the core of Fifa.
"Australia spent almost $46m on a bid we were never in the running for.
"Now we hear that bribes may have been made to fix the result for who will head up Fifa."
According to the Reuters news agency, China's Zhang Jilong will take charge of the Asian Football Confederation in the absence of Hammam.
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Blatter must be stopped - Warner
Although this thread has gone cold due to people running out of discussion points.
I have inserted the following from BBC World which might shed light on how "politics" are run in that side of the world.
Qatar's Bin Hammam accused of buying 2022 World Cup
IN ASSOCIATION WITH
Warner faces the media with the email he purports to have come from Valcke
Suspended Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has made public an e-mail that claims Mohamed Bin Hammam "bought" the 2022 World Cup finals for Qatar.
Fifa general secretary Jerome Valcke admitted he sent the e-mail, which also questioned why Asian football boss Bin Hammam was running for Fifa president.
Valcke wrote: "[Hammam] thought you can buy Fifa as they bought the World Cup."
However, Valcke said "it was a private e-mail" and pointed out that Warner had only published selected parts of it.
"He [Warner] sent me an email asking if I want that [Bin Hammam to run for Fifa president], he said that I should ask Bin Hammam to pull out," Valcke added.
Valcke also denied that he had influenced Fifa's ethics committee which Fifa suspended Warner and Bin Hammam on Sunday over separate allegations of bribery, pending further investigation.
He stated: "The first time I met the chairman of the ethics committee was yesterday [Sunday] at 1700 before we went to the press conference. I had no contact at all with anyone."
Bin Hammam was suspended a matter of hours after withdrawing from the Fifa presidential race on Sunday morning.
His decision leaves 75-year-old incumbent Sepp Blatter, who is seeking a fourth term in charge of the organisation he has run unopposed since 1998, as the only man running for the office. Blatter is due to hold a news conference on Monday at 1700 BST.
Fifa has said its election will go ahead, as scheduled, on Wednesday.
Warner, who is president of the North, Central American and Caribbean confederation (Concacaf), has reacted angrily to the allegations of bribery and the Fifa ethics committee's decision to suspend him.
The Trinidad and Tobago government minister raged: "I look on the suspension as the worst form of justice by any sporting organisation.
Continue reading the main story
You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it
Jack Warner
"They came premeditated, they weren't prepared to listen, they were hand-picked to do a task and they did just that.
"The guys were hand-picked by Blatter. A kangaroo court would be a decent thing to say."
Warner, who also turned on Valcke, stated: "I wrote to Valcke telling him, among other things, that the outcome of the [Fifa presidential] elections may cause some fracture in the Arab world which we can ill afford now and that I will like to ask Bin Hammam to withdraw from the race.
"To which Jerome replied to me and I quote: 'For MBH [Mohamad Bin Hammam], I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB [Joseph Sepp Blatter].
"Or he thought you can buy Fifa as they [Qatar] bought the WC [World Cup]'."
Warner showed the e-mail to television crews and added: "You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it."
Warner has also accused Blatter of making a gift of computers and an unauthorised $1m (£607,000) to Concacaf officials.
"I indicated that at the Miami Concacaf Congress on 3 May Mr Blatter made a gift of $1m to Concacaf to spend as it deems fit," Warner said in a statement.
"This annoyed [Uefa] president Michel Platini who was present and he approached secretary general Jerome Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the finance committee to make this gift to which Jerome replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter.
"I also indicated Fifa, through Mr Blatter, organised gifts of laptops and projectors to all members of the Caribbean and no objections have been made today of this to date."
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Deputy chair of Fifa's ethics committee, Petrus Damaseb: "Mr Bin Hammam is hereby provisionally banned from taking part in any kind of football-related activity"
However, Platini said on Monday that he was having a joke with Blatter.
The Frencham said: "He [Blatter] can give [to] the projects that he wants to give. I joke, I said 'but Sepp this was not accepted by the committee' - but he can give many projects to many national associations and we will confirm in the GOAL project after.
"In many Congresses for many, many years the president can give one or two projects to national associations - he has his own budget and he can give to one confederation and then it has to be approved of course by the executive committee next time."
Blatter has denied any wrong-doing as have Warner and Hammam, who are accused of offering financial incentives to members of the Caribbean Football Union.
In a file of evidence it was claimed bundles of cash of up to $40,000 (£24,200) were handed over to members of the CFU at the meeting in Trinidad on 10 and 11 May.
The payments were allegedly made to secure votes for Bin Hammam in his campaign to challenge Blatter for the presidency.
Bin Hammam effectively claimed Blatter was aware of some of the wrongdoing but the Fifa president did not report it, in itself a breach of Fifa's ethics code, but he was found to have no case to answer.
And last week, Qatar 2022 World Cup officials denied allegations, published in the Sunday Times, that they paid bribes in return for votes.
Meanwhile, independent Australian senator Nick Xenophon has demanded that Fifa refunds the Aus$45.6m (£29.6m) they spent on their unsuccessful bid to host the 2022 World Cup.
Xenophon said: "It appears corrupt and highly questionable behaviour goes to the core of Fifa.
"Australia spent almost $46m on a bid we were never in the running for.
"Now we hear that bribes may have been made to fix the result for who will head up Fifa."
According to the Reuters news agency, China's Zhang Jilong will take charge of the Asian Football Confederation in the absence of Hammam.
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Oddly enough there is a newspaper editorial here in Dubai this morning which snidely cocks a snook at Air Canada with a leader that says "here is how 'politics' are run on that side of the world!"
The article is about a match-fixing in Cuban baseball.
Scathing, eh?
The article is about a match-fixing in Cuban baseball.
Scathing, eh?
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UAE vs AC - The Economist's POV...
Why not resurrect this thread, yet again....?
Article in this month's Economist:
Canada and the United Arab Emirates: Penny wise | The Economist
I don't know who the mysterious author "M.D." is, but his writings as the Canuckistani Correspondent exhibit a distinct anti-Harper bias...
Article in this month's Economist:
Canada and the United Arab Emirates: Penny wise | The Economist
I don't know who the mysterious author "M.D." is, but his writings as the Canuckistani Correspondent exhibit a distinct anti-Harper bias...
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Total crap! What minister Baird said, {he aint exactly known to be very PC!} was" get stuffed," which reflects the sentiments of most Canadians with an IQ above room temp in degrees C! Our memorial to our dead has now been moved back to Canada, after all sorts of obstruction from the locals, are they so God -damn stupid that they dont understand what this does to public opinion in Canada? It seems they are indeed that bloody dumb and stupid, " stuff them all "is the sentiment I hear around my home town.
Well, if you read the comments to the article, it seems most Canadians are unhappy with the govt's handling of the situation.
As well, this Economist writer in his/her obvious disdain for the 'Conservative' Prime Minister of Canada is either ignorant of the fact or chose to omit the fact that the Federal Government (not Stephen Harper) legislated back-to-work rules to both Air Canada and -- the government owned Canada Post office. Also, perhaps this leftwinger should have checked on the amount of the loan to the Feds
Air Canada now owes before blithely spewing his/her misleading information? Of course that is just too much to expect from the usual attitudes Canadians have been subjected to by their so-called across the pond 'superiors'.
And, at least our Feds are busily re-building our armed forces after Afghanistan unlike the labor-lite
Cameron Coalition which is busily firing thousands of their armed forces, sinking carriers, et al. and this Econo. writer writes a sneering piece on Canada's
Defence Minister and armed forces.
Pffffft.
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PacWest, it seems naive to think decisions like legislating unions back to work would happen without direct input from Harper.
As I recall, it is not the 'Federal' or 'Canadian' government it is, at his direction, the 'Harper' government.
Your disdain for anyone with a more left of center position is readily apparent. I don't believe 'left wing' = wrong while 'right wing' is necessarily correct.
Why is it "quite apparent" to you that not one of the comments is from a Canadian? There are many Canadians that don't share the 'protect AC/Star Alliance' position of the government. Many consumers and other businesses in Canada see the obvious upside to greater transport links to the rest of the world.
As I recall, it is not the 'Federal' or 'Canadian' government it is, at his direction, the 'Harper' government.
Your disdain for anyone with a more left of center position is readily apparent. I don't believe 'left wing' = wrong while 'right wing' is necessarily correct.
Why is it "quite apparent" to you that not one of the comments is from a Canadian? There are many Canadians that don't share the 'protect AC/Star Alliance' position of the government. Many consumers and other businesses in Canada see the obvious upside to greater transport links to the rest of the world.
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PacWest; please enlighten us as to how much outstanding loans is owed to the Government by Air Canada. I suggest the answer is "zero". When one thinks about landing fees, airport rents, corporate taxes, fuel taxes, personal income taxes.... one soon realizes that Air Canada is a "cash cow" that the Federal Government (Stephen Harper) is not about to stop milking.
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All of this discussion is rather interesting, and I guess the UAE can, in the end, claim a "moral victory," seeing as Canada has now withdrawn the majority of its troops from Afghanistan (as of this month) with the remaining few returning home by December 2011.
What do I mean about a UAE "moral victory?" Well, let us not forget the recent history in relations between the UAE and Afghanistan. Although in control of Afghanistan's capital,Kabul, and most of the country for five years, the Taliban's Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan gained diplomatic recognition from only three states: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. After the attacks of September 11 2001 the Taliban regime was overthrown by Operation Enduring Freedom.
Canada's role in Afghanistan was part of a larger international coalition from the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Romania, Denmark, Belgium, Czech Republic, Norway, Bulgaria, and many other members of the European Union as well Turkey, South Korea, Azerbaijan, Singapore and a few other non-NATO members to attempt to restore some form of normality and security to a historically victimized country. In light of the broad international effort and unbeknownst to many, the UAE did send a small contingent of aid to the battered country. However given its wealth, close proximity to the country, token-support post-Taliban and its questionable support of the Taliban during their stay in power it is fair to question where the UAE's core values lay in all of this.
What do I mean about a UAE "moral victory?" Well, let us not forget the recent history in relations between the UAE and Afghanistan. Although in control of Afghanistan's capital,Kabul, and most of the country for five years, the Taliban's Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan gained diplomatic recognition from only three states: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. After the attacks of September 11 2001 the Taliban regime was overthrown by Operation Enduring Freedom.
Canada's role in Afghanistan was part of a larger international coalition from the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Romania, Denmark, Belgium, Czech Republic, Norway, Bulgaria, and many other members of the European Union as well Turkey, South Korea, Azerbaijan, Singapore and a few other non-NATO members to attempt to restore some form of normality and security to a historically victimized country. In light of the broad international effort and unbeknownst to many, the UAE did send a small contingent of aid to the battered country. However given its wealth, close proximity to the country, token-support post-Taliban and its questionable support of the Taliban during their stay in power it is fair to question where the UAE's core values lay in all of this.
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Good Afternoon Mack The Knife:
Thank you for posting the video as it speaks volumes and it is too bad Captain Strachan did not have more air time to explain more of the myths........
Thank you for posting the video as it speaks volumes and it is too bad Captain Strachan did not have more air time to explain more of the myths........
Obviously you haven't been to Canada or flown on AC in about 20 years. You haters don't want to hear it, but things have changed. Is it perfect - no. But it is not the dinosaur it once was.