Emirates vs. Air Canada
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That interview was hillarious! I thought I was watching foxnews! Holy cow, when did Canada get so right wing? And I agree that they need protection because they'd rathter have it than be forced to improve their product. As capt Strachan points out, they can't afford to improve it.
I've flown on them hundreds of times and continue to 8 times per year, so I'm very familiar with their product. It hasn't improved.
Question, why is westjet not making all this noise about emirates?
But the whole point of the interview is a red herring. Emirates has no interest in flying point to point in Canada, it doesn't in any country it flies to. So how is it going to kill AC by bringing more pax into canada, from where alot of them will connect to domestic flights?
And they should fire their research department. Emirates began in 1985, not the early or mid 90s as capt Strachan thinks. And the pics they show of the terminal is the old one, if they think that's nice, they should see the new one.
I've flown on them hundreds of times and continue to 8 times per year, so I'm very familiar with their product. It hasn't improved.
Question, why is westjet not making all this noise about emirates?
But the whole point of the interview is a red herring. Emirates has no interest in flying point to point in Canada, it doesn't in any country it flies to. So how is it going to kill AC by bringing more pax into canada, from where alot of them will connect to domestic flights?
And they should fire their research department. Emirates began in 1985, not the early or mid 90s as capt Strachan thinks. And the pics they show of the terminal is the old one, if they think that's nice, they should see the new one.
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Question, why is westjet not making all this noise about emirates?
None of those are really in Emirates sights....to my knowledge.
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OMG
Is this topic still a topic?
Emirates has all the service it needs or should ever need to this country, full stop.
Because not getting what they want interferes with their plan to 'dominate the airline world' which might well be in danger if too many countries also tell them to pi**off. Well, exxcuuuuuuse us.
Whatever happened to free enterprise?
Easy that. It doesn't exist in the world of airlines and state protectionism.
unless, of course, you're talking about someone very near the top rung of a dictatorial regime who has (had) wodges of money and influence to buy and finance their very own airline. Purchase a huge widebody fleet of "the world's largest passenger aeroplanes" to serve every concieveable market in the world without the slightest expectation of resistance from lesser financially able countries, like Canada.
Well, that someone, as it turns out, would be wrong in that assumption.
Willie Everlearn
Is this topic still a topic?
Emirates has all the service it needs or should ever need to this country, full stop.
Because not getting what they want interferes with their plan to 'dominate the airline world' which might well be in danger if too many countries also tell them to pi**off. Well, exxcuuuuuuse us.
Whatever happened to free enterprise?
Easy that. It doesn't exist in the world of airlines and state protectionism.
unless, of course, you're talking about someone very near the top rung of a dictatorial regime who has (had) wodges of money and influence to buy and finance their very own airline. Purchase a huge widebody fleet of "the world's largest passenger aeroplanes" to serve every concieveable market in the world without the slightest expectation of resistance from lesser financially able countries, like Canada.
Well, that someone, as it turns out, would be wrong in that assumption.
Willie Everlearn
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WOW I SAY AGAIN WOW They should both just shut their mouths until they learn the facts truth etc. As a Canadian I am disgusted with there lack of truth and knowledge. I wonder just how much money the Canadian Govt has given A/C in bailouts over there history? I bet it is as much or more than the so called State Airline Emirates????!!!! It started flying on Oct 25th 1985 with two leased A/C. Not gifted......
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WOW I SAY AGAIN WOW They should both just shut their mouths until they learn the facts truth etc. As a Canadian I am disgusted with there lack of truth and knowledge. I wonder just how much money the Canadian Govt has given A/C in bailouts over there history? I bet it is as much or more than the so called State Airline Emirates????!!!!
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WOW I SAY AGAIN WOW They should both just shut their mouths until they learn the facts truth etc. As a Canadian I am disgusted with there lack of truth and knowledge. I wonder just how much money the Canadian Govt has given A/C in bailouts over there history? I bet it is as much or more than the so called State Airline Emirates????!!!!
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Air Canada is a cash cow for the Govt.
I still cant stop laughing. By the way how about all the loans to AC guaranteed by the govt.From what you say they must be all paid back,,,,,NOT
I still cant stop laughing. By the way how about all the loans to AC guaranteed by the govt.From what you say they must be all paid back,,,,,NOT
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The loans were not frm the Govt. They were from third parties.
A loan guarantee is not the same as a loan. My understanding is that the Govt just said Air Canada was a "Good Risk" and would "Guarantee" that any lender would get their money back.
A loan guarantee is not the same as a loan. My understanding is that the Govt just said Air Canada was a "Good Risk" and would "Guarantee" that any lender would get their money back.
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Air Canada bailout buys time - but Canada Inc sells out to forces of protectionism | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation - CAPA
EDC provides 150 million in financing for Air Canada
OTTAWA) – July 29, 2009 – Export Development Canada (EDC) today announced that it has provided $150 million towards a $600 million credit facility for Air Canada involving four other lenders, including the Government of Canada.
“EDC’s new domestic powers have allowed it to provide timely and critical financing to Air Canada, with our involvement supporting significant and tangible benefits to Canada,” said Eric Siegel, President and CEO.
The loan is provided on commercial terms and at market rates consistent with the risk profile of the transaction.
EDC’s support is complemented by that of Government of Canada, which has lent $100 million through its Canada Account. The other lenders include ACE Aviations Holdings Inc., General Electric Capital Markets and Aeroplan.
Canada Account is used when a transaction falls outside the scope of EDC's Corporate Account, usually due to a combination of risks, including the size of the transaction, market risks, country capacity, borrower risks or the financing conditions, but nevertheless is determined by the federal government to be in Canada's national interest.
EDC is Canada’s export credit agency, offering innovative commercial solutions to help Canadian exporters and investors expand their international business. EDC’s knowledge and partnerships are used by more than 8,300 Canadian companies and their global customers in up to 200 markets worldwide each year. EDC is financially self-sustaining, is a recognized leader in financial reporting and economic analysis, and has been recognized as one of Canada’s Top 100 Employers for eight consecutive years.
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Media contact: Phil Taylor Export Development Canada Tel: (613) 598-2904 Blackberry: [email protected]
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EDC provides 150 million in financing for Air Canada
OTTAWA) – July 29, 2009 – Export Development Canada (EDC) today announced that it has provided $150 million towards a $600 million credit facility for Air Canada involving four other lenders, including the Government of Canada.
“EDC’s new domestic powers have allowed it to provide timely and critical financing to Air Canada, with our involvement supporting significant and tangible benefits to Canada,” said Eric Siegel, President and CEO.
The loan is provided on commercial terms and at market rates consistent with the risk profile of the transaction.
EDC’s support is complemented by that of Government of Canada, which has lent $100 million through its Canada Account. The other lenders include ACE Aviations Holdings Inc., General Electric Capital Markets and Aeroplan.
Canada Account is used when a transaction falls outside the scope of EDC's Corporate Account, usually due to a combination of risks, including the size of the transaction, market risks, country capacity, borrower risks or the financing conditions, but nevertheless is determined by the federal government to be in Canada's national interest.
EDC is Canada’s export credit agency, offering innovative commercial solutions to help Canadian exporters and investors expand their international business. EDC’s knowledge and partnerships are used by more than 8,300 Canadian companies and their global customers in up to 200 markets worldwide each year. EDC is financially self-sustaining, is a recognized leader in financial reporting and economic analysis, and has been recognized as one of Canada’s Top 100 Employers for eight consecutive years.
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Media contact: Phil Taylor Export Development Canada Tel: (613) 598-2904 Blackberry: [email protected]
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Boys and girls: Simply put its Geography.
I you are at either end of the world you cant make point to point work...if your are in the middle...you can connect the dots.
Newcastle-Sydney ...No
Calgary - Colombo....No
Only a matter of time...and before the AC crowd get too high on their moral horse, they agreed to let EK penetrate Canada for 50% of the profits a number of years ago and EK said no - at which point it was "well if we cant do business with them" lets attack (not sure why morally they sought a deal with the so called 'dictator in the skies' in the first place - after all its about principle right?.....riiiiiggghhht)
Awful lot of imported cars built by labourers in Asia zoomong around the streets of Canada...the consumer will ultimately prevail...at which point...shall we say "schadenfreude"
This isn't about human rights or competitive fairness - its about a business model that cannot work. Let Capt Luddite scream...it wont stop the paradigm global shift in hub dynamics.
f.
I you are at either end of the world you cant make point to point work...if your are in the middle...you can connect the dots.
Newcastle-Sydney ...No
Calgary - Colombo....No
Only a matter of time...and before the AC crowd get too high on their moral horse, they agreed to let EK penetrate Canada for 50% of the profits a number of years ago and EK said no - at which point it was "well if we cant do business with them" lets attack (not sure why morally they sought a deal with the so called 'dictator in the skies' in the first place - after all its about principle right?.....riiiiiggghhht)
Awful lot of imported cars built by labourers in Asia zoomong around the streets of Canada...the consumer will ultimately prevail...at which point...shall we say "schadenfreude"
This isn't about human rights or competitive fairness - its about a business model that cannot work. Let Capt Luddite scream...it wont stop the paradigm global shift in hub dynamics.
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Lame. Lame. Lame.
I'll have you know my Korean SUV was built in Georgia!!!
My Japanese 4 door was built right here in Canada.
Try again.
Wait a minute. Isn't that a paradigm shift?
Geez, you might be onto something.
Willie Everlearn
I'll have you know my Korean SUV was built in Georgia!!!
My Japanese 4 door was built right here in Canada.
Try again.
Wait a minute. Isn't that a paradigm shift?
Geez, you might be onto something.
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If the intellectual capacity of your response is: "I dont drive a car made in Asia" so the argument is wrong..
Well, lets just say I feel a lot better now if uber-strategists like you are what EK are up against.
f.
Well, lets just say I feel a lot better now if uber-strategists like you are what EK are up against.
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mmm, auto manufacturing?
That's your argument? That your Korean car was made in Canada, or Georgia (you do mean the USA, and not the former soviet state?)
I don't keep daily tabs of the southern Ont auto market, but I seem to recall hearing the news hasn't been too good over there lately, what with starting wages at $20+/hr. And didn't I hear something about Magna (Frank/Belinda Stronach) being in some big trouble regarding the decline in auto manufacturing?
I think your next car might be built in Mexico, what do you think?
Oh, and I just read today about how Stephen Harper is defending his position to have more free trade with Columbia, as others are criticizing his position based on the human rights record there. Funny.
I don't keep daily tabs of the southern Ont auto market, but I seem to recall hearing the news hasn't been too good over there lately, what with starting wages at $20+/hr. And didn't I hear something about Magna (Frank/Belinda Stronach) being in some big trouble regarding the decline in auto manufacturing?
I think your next car might be built in Mexico, what do you think?
Oh, and I just read today about how Stephen Harper is defending his position to have more free trade with Columbia, as others are criticizing his position based on the human rights record there. Funny.
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bcflyer read hercrats post.... 1+1=2 still. Willie yes your car (s) were made in North America but if you think for one second the profets you gave them by buying it all stayed there then you are sadly naive. If anyone believes that a job will be lost in Canada because EK and others start flying there a bit more then I would say your flat out wrong.
Good Morning Atrflyguy:
I will use a previous posting of mine which succinctly illustrates the uplift capability of Emirates using my recent time in New Zealand. I would use the analogy of locusts in a wheat field if they came into CYVR, CYYC, CYEG, CYYZ, CYUL, and maybe CYHZ if they came into Canada. With the high costs of aviation in Canada (e.g. B-747-400 landing fee $9000:00 plus in YYZ, fuel taxes 15% greater than south of the border, Air Canada Participation Act etc all of the cream (if it still exists) is gone.
Try coming out of the cold as it might help your cognitive capabilities…… by the way it is profits not profets
I will use a previous posting of mine which succinctly illustrates the uplift capability of Emirates using my recent time in New Zealand. I would use the analogy of locusts in a wheat field if they came into CYVR, CYYC, CYEG, CYYZ, CYUL, and maybe CYHZ if they came into Canada. With the high costs of aviation in Canada (e.g. B-747-400 landing fee $9000:00 plus in YYZ, fuel taxes 15% greater than south of the border, Air Canada Participation Act etc all of the cream (if it still exists) is gone.
Try coming out of the cold as it might help your cognitive capabilities…… by the way it is profits not profets
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Good Evening All:
A good post from "Clunkdriver" who as you can assume has a wealth of experience (military, airline and commercial) in calling a spade a &^%$ shovel.
To add to my previous post basing on my recent holiday in New Zealand and talking to the locals on their aviation life. To restate New Zealand has a population of just over 4 million people.
Emirates has four daily flights to New Zealand three daily to Auckland (AKL) and one to Christchurch (CHC). AKL has three daily of which one is an A-380 (489 seats) and two B-777 (380 seats) and the other to CHC being a B-777 (380 seats). Seat Guru was used as a source for the number of seats.
In one year, again New Zealand being a country of 4 million people that is 594,585 seats that Emirates has to New Zealand.
So with that uplift capability what does this do for Air New Zealand and their small fleet? After flying on them they have a superior product with very helpful staff.
The five years that Clunkdriver alludes to might be too late for this fine airline.
Do we want a foreign "family compact" run airline in our country? I would say yes but with sizeable conditions in place and the first one is an apology to Canada for the 30 day move out for Camp Mirage. How ever that will never happen as based on my limited experience of being in the middle east "face" is more important to them and this would be viewed as a sign of weakness.
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Good Evening All:
A good post from "Clunkdriver" who as you can assume has a wealth of experience (military, airline and commercial) in calling a spade a &^%$ shovel.
To add to my previous post basing on my recent holiday in New Zealand and talking to the locals on their aviation life. To restate New Zealand has a population of just over 4 million people.
Emirates has four daily flights to New Zealand three daily to Auckland (AKL) and one to Christchurch (CHC). AKL has three daily of which one is an A-380 (489 seats) and two B-777 (380 seats) and the other to CHC being a B-777 (380 seats). Seat Guru was used as a source for the number of seats.
In one year, again New Zealand being a country of 4 million people that is 594,585 seats that Emirates has to New Zealand.
So with that uplift capability what does this do for Air New Zealand and their small fleet? After flying on them they have a superior product with very helpful staff.
The five years that Clunkdriver alludes to might be too late for this fine airline.
Do we want a foreign "family compact" run airline in our country? I would say yes but with sizeable conditions in place and the first one is an apology to Canada for the 30 day move out for Camp Mirage. How ever that will never happen as based on my limited experience of being in the middle east "face" is more important to them and this would be viewed as a sign of weakness.
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A330pilot,
Surely you're not foolish enough to believe that the only market for Aircraft seats for a particular country is the transportation of its own citizens? Did you intentionally forget tourism or did you conveniently forget in order to boost your weak argument in the hope that no-one else would notice? We're not that thick mate!
Perhaps the below cutting from Wikipedia will open your narrow mindedness?:
Tourism is an important industry in New Zealand, contributing NZ$15 billion (or 9%) of the country's gross domestic product in 2010.[1]
It is also New Zealand's largest export industry, with about 2.4 million international tourists visiting per year (as of September 2009),[2] providing 18% of the country's export earnings in 2010.[1]
Auckland Airport handled over eleven million passengers in 2004.
Many international tourists also spend time in Christchurch, Queenstown, Rotorua, and Wellington.
Overall, tourism supports some 180,000 full-time equivalent jobs (10% of the New Zealand workforce), with half directly related to tourism.[1]
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A330,
You may want to take note of the interesting figure that 11 million people used Auckland Airport in 2004 (that will be considerably more now). By your own calculations, EK only holds around 5% of seating capacity, so are you arguing that an Airline that has 5% of the share of seats in and out of a country will be the downfall of the local airline industry? If so, that says far more about the crap business model of ANZ et al than it ever could about EK stealing trade!!
Will you please concede in the face of the overwhelming evidence above, that having MORE international flights to and from a country is a good thing for trade, tourism and industry? Or will you and your blinkered kind continue to refute the irrefutable?
Surely you're not foolish enough to believe that the only market for Aircraft seats for a particular country is the transportation of its own citizens? Did you intentionally forget tourism or did you conveniently forget in order to boost your weak argument in the hope that no-one else would notice? We're not that thick mate!
Perhaps the below cutting from Wikipedia will open your narrow mindedness?:
Tourism is an important industry in New Zealand, contributing NZ$15 billion (or 9%) of the country's gross domestic product in 2010.[1]
It is also New Zealand's largest export industry, with about 2.4 million international tourists visiting per year (as of September 2009),[2] providing 18% of the country's export earnings in 2010.[1]
Auckland Airport handled over eleven million passengers in 2004.
Many international tourists also spend time in Christchurch, Queenstown, Rotorua, and Wellington.
Overall, tourism supports some 180,000 full-time equivalent jobs (10% of the New Zealand workforce), with half directly related to tourism.[1]
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A330,
You may want to take note of the interesting figure that 11 million people used Auckland Airport in 2004 (that will be considerably more now). By your own calculations, EK only holds around 5% of seating capacity, so are you arguing that an Airline that has 5% of the share of seats in and out of a country will be the downfall of the local airline industry? If so, that says far more about the crap business model of ANZ et al than it ever could about EK stealing trade!!
Will you please concede in the face of the overwhelming evidence above, that having MORE international flights to and from a country is a good thing for trade, tourism and industry? Or will you and your blinkered kind continue to refute the irrefutable?
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(sorry I had to respond on the fly, so apology in advance, but)
"If the intellectual capacity of your response is: "I dont drive a car made in Asia" so the argument is wrong.."
Actually. That's NOT my argument at all. But, obviously, you read it the way you read it.
I agreed it was a paradigm shift.
"...it wont stop the paradigm global shift in hub dynamics."
You're absolutely right. It won't.
With regard to my automobiles, I asked the question (of myself)
"Wait a minute. Isn't that (in the automobile industry) a paradigm shift?" The automobile industry in North America 'protecting' itself from a more competitive industry by imposing political pressure to have those foreigners manufacture their products here?
Globalization is a reality and not just for the UAE but for Canada as well.
So, why bother to impede some entity from 'globalizing'?
Because IMHO based on what I've seen over the years, NOT all things are open to globalization and not all things are going to be globalized at the rate some would either expect or want regardless of hub dynamics in the airline world. EK can hub wherever they like. If the countries involved allow it. It's unlikely YYZ will be more than a spoke beyond what it is today. It would seem Canada is a country that is limiting EKs service (for now) into and out of this country.
Emirates simply doesn't live in the real world and is trying constantly to impose their fantasy airline on the real world of real world economics and real world passenger loads. Those who DO operate in that real world need protection to some degree or face extinction. I'm not making that up nor am I saying it's the way it should be. But, I'm sure the investors in those real world airlines have some political lobby or financial clout to see things happen a certain way. In fact, some countries protect their 'flag' carriers at arms length. And yes, those arms can stretch a long way and carry a big stick.
That's not new but that too is a reality.
Willie
(sorry I had to respond on the fly, so apology in advance, but)
"If the intellectual capacity of your response is: "I dont drive a car made in Asia" so the argument is wrong.."
Actually. That's NOT my argument at all. But, obviously, you read it the way you read it.
I agreed it was a paradigm shift.
"...it wont stop the paradigm global shift in hub dynamics."
You're absolutely right. It won't.
With regard to my automobiles, I asked the question (of myself)
"Wait a minute. Isn't that (in the automobile industry) a paradigm shift?" The automobile industry in North America 'protecting' itself from a more competitive industry by imposing political pressure to have those foreigners manufacture their products here?
Globalization is a reality and not just for the UAE but for Canada as well.
So, why bother to impede some entity from 'globalizing'?
Because IMHO based on what I've seen over the years, NOT all things are open to globalization and not all things are going to be globalized at the rate some would either expect or want regardless of hub dynamics in the airline world. EK can hub wherever they like. If the countries involved allow it. It's unlikely YYZ will be more than a spoke beyond what it is today. It would seem Canada is a country that is limiting EKs service (for now) into and out of this country.
Emirates simply doesn't live in the real world and is trying constantly to impose their fantasy airline on the real world of real world economics and real world passenger loads. Those who DO operate in that real world need protection to some degree or face extinction. I'm not making that up nor am I saying it's the way it should be. But, I'm sure the investors in those real world airlines have some political lobby or financial clout to see things happen a certain way. In fact, some countries protect their 'flag' carriers at arms length. And yes, those arms can stretch a long way and carry a big stick.
That's not new but that too is a reality.
Willie
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It's unlikely YYZ will be more than a spoke beyond what it is today. It would seem Canada is a country that is limiting EKs service (for now) into and out of this country.
Bit of a gap between what the GTAA wants and what the Canadian govt wants I think (and the airport rent argument is just the starters).
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Willie,
If you flew to the places that I flew to, you would know that the 'real world' and 'real world airlines' are in fact a reference to the West.
You need to get out more.
Countries protect and underwrite their natural resources e.g. Oil sands in Canada, The Arctic natural resource areas etc. Its your right.
Dubai only has one natural resource: its location. So they invest in the logistical advantage.
If AC wants to take on the sub-continent with their 787's, good on them, its good for competition. But you cannot continue to deny the customer in Vancouver, Toronto or Calgary the ability to save money and time drastically by using a foreign airline.
If we do a moral audit on any country we do business with in this day and age - well you better stop drinking in a coffee house, because the coffee comes fron Africa and the cups come from China.
By protecting AC they lose there desire to innovate. Look at their product compared to EK. Its a joke. Why? because they dont have to compete on service delivery like EK...and the result is mediocrity.
But I suppose thats the right of a 'real world' airline. Just travel in a Sky suite in 1st or business class on EK and all you will see is 'real world' executives choosing to pay 'real world' money for a superior product.
...and thats what AC the dinosaur is scared of...
f
If you flew to the places that I flew to, you would know that the 'real world' and 'real world airlines' are in fact a reference to the West.
You need to get out more.
Countries protect and underwrite their natural resources e.g. Oil sands in Canada, The Arctic natural resource areas etc. Its your right.
Dubai only has one natural resource: its location. So they invest in the logistical advantage.
If AC wants to take on the sub-continent with their 787's, good on them, its good for competition. But you cannot continue to deny the customer in Vancouver, Toronto or Calgary the ability to save money and time drastically by using a foreign airline.
If we do a moral audit on any country we do business with in this day and age - well you better stop drinking in a coffee house, because the coffee comes fron Africa and the cups come from China.
By protecting AC they lose there desire to innovate. Look at their product compared to EK. Its a joke. Why? because they dont have to compete on service delivery like EK...and the result is mediocrity.
But I suppose thats the right of a 'real world' airline. Just travel in a Sky suite in 1st or business class on EK and all you will see is 'real world' executives choosing to pay 'real world' money for a superior product.
...and thats what AC the dinosaur is scared of...
f
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Other than the distracting conversation between Dr. Goebbels and Julius Streicher that video was one of the best ads for Emirates I have ever seen. As Dr. Goebbels' boss said, "if you are going to tell a lie, make sure it is a big one".
The glittering EK airplanes and other-worldly Dubai terminals make a resounding contrast to Air Canada mildew and jaundice. It must have been pure pity for Air Canada on the part of the video editor in choosing not to show EK cabin crew.
As a bonus question: What field of human endeavour produces "leaders" of the quality we find in Canadian organized labour?
The glittering EK airplanes and other-worldly Dubai terminals make a resounding contrast to Air Canada mildew and jaundice. It must have been pure pity for Air Canada on the part of the video editor in choosing not to show EK cabin crew.
As a bonus question: What field of human endeavour produces "leaders" of the quality we find in Canadian organized labour?
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I do get out. AND often.
This entire thread is about money. The rest is window dressing.
When I left the Emirates the dirham was 3.68.
The variations to that exchange rate since I left graphs out as a flatline.
Ever look at the other currencies? Other markets?
Your reference to 'real world' and 'real world airlines' may be 'the west', but maybe you'd best be advised to have a look around.
The Dubai Exchange rarely comes up in most financial conversations and as for travelling in any business class on any Middle Eastern airline, it is absolutely fantastic and there's no way an Air Canada can compete!
Good service, is good service
Excessive service, (for those who can afford it (a.k.a. money)) even better.
The average wage earner in Calgary will never see Business Class on Emirates unless his employer picks up the tab. No advantage to that Canadian consumer.
As for me and my dinosaur ideas, I'm sick of Low Cost, Low Fare airfares. They're bringing out the Greyhound crowd and wrecking the industry. They have been for years,
...that too is reality.
Willie
I do get out. AND often.
This entire thread is about money. The rest is window dressing.
When I left the Emirates the dirham was 3.68.
The variations to that exchange rate since I left graphs out as a flatline.
Ever look at the other currencies? Other markets?
Your reference to 'real world' and 'real world airlines' may be 'the west', but maybe you'd best be advised to have a look around.
The Dubai Exchange rarely comes up in most financial conversations and as for travelling in any business class on any Middle Eastern airline, it is absolutely fantastic and there's no way an Air Canada can compete!
Good service, is good service
Excessive service, (for those who can afford it (a.k.a. money)) even better.
The average wage earner in Calgary will never see Business Class on Emirates unless his employer picks up the tab. No advantage to that Canadian consumer.
As for me and my dinosaur ideas, I'm sick of Low Cost, Low Fare airfares. They're bringing out the Greyhound crowd and wrecking the industry. They have been for years,
...that too is reality.
Willie