Jobs for a rookie?
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Hi everyone,
I have a TC cpl and have 220 hrs TT on Cessnas, What should i do to build up more time, should i take up instructor rating? Are there any other avenues?
Should I go in Multi IR? What are the other flying jobs that i can hope to take?
What should be my next step?
Looking forward to your suggestions..
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Flyboy
I have a TC cpl and have 220 hrs TT on Cessnas, What should i do to build up more time, should i take up instructor rating? Are there any other avenues?
Should I go in Multi IR? What are the other flying jobs that i can hope to take?
What should be my next step?
Looking forward to your suggestions..
Cheers
Flyboy
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Safest bet is with the instructor rating...
But...
The industry is going into a real down turn which means even getting an instructor job is going to be very tough.
If you do your instructor rating, make absolutely sure you do it at a school that has a track record of hiring all their instructors.
Even if you're just sitting around with no students, you're still in the system.
But...
The industry is going into a real down turn which means even getting an instructor job is going to be very tough.
If you do your instructor rating, make absolutely sure you do it at a school that has a track record of hiring all their instructors.
Even if you're just sitting around with no students, you're still in the system.
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There is a world of opportunities out there. The issue is, that you're gonna have to leave the comforts of home to find them.
Some examples:
I flew with an F/O last week who had less than 300 hours total time when he started flying an Airbus!
I know a young fellow from Victoria who recently landed a job flying a Caravan in Africa with only a TC CPL
I know another gent who took a similar job in Africa and is now flying a jet for the same outfit. Again, with a TC CPL.
China is desperate for pilots! Get a type-rating and the doors will open.
Not long ago I saw instructor positions advertised in both Japan and Korea. Both offered consideration with their respective airlines after a period of service.
Several low-cost airlines are offering positions (Self Sponsored) on both Airbus and Boeing's (Tiger Airways, Air Asia, Easy jet, Ryan Air and host of others)
And of course, I'm pretty sure that Buffalo Joe; the Falseness's and all the others will soon be gearing up for the season.
Done!
Some examples:
I flew with an F/O last week who had less than 300 hours total time when he started flying an Airbus!
I know a young fellow from Victoria who recently landed a job flying a Caravan in Africa with only a TC CPL
I know another gent who took a similar job in Africa and is now flying a jet for the same outfit. Again, with a TC CPL.
China is desperate for pilots! Get a type-rating and the doors will open.
Not long ago I saw instructor positions advertised in both Japan and Korea. Both offered consideration with their respective airlines after a period of service.
Several low-cost airlines are offering positions (Self Sponsored) on both Airbus and Boeing's (Tiger Airways, Air Asia, Easy jet, Ryan Air and host of others)
And of course, I'm pretty sure that Buffalo Joe; the Falseness's and all the others will soon be gearing up for the season.
..there must be something all you pilots could suggest...
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Hit the Road!!
"you're gonna have to leave the comforts of home"
This is bang on! I can't say how important it is. If you want to get on with your career, you will have to suck it up, pack your life up into that shi#%y car of yours, hit the road and make things happen. Instructing (imho) is the easy way to get hours, but are they really the ones you want? You will be great at making radio calls, telling people to watch their airspeeds, and keeping that right seat warm. I am already surpassing my intructors in experience (and hours soon enough)who taught me from my first solo after only a year in the bush. Nothing against you intructors out there, just my views
From the outsider's prospective, I have been lucky to get a job flying, but I think sometimes you have to make your own luck. It is no coincidance I have upgraded my position from rampie to SE pilot to ME pilot while changing numerous companies (due to better oppritunities). It is simply hard work, a good attitude, and being in the right place at the right time. I garuntee you if I stayed at home, I'd still be paying to fly and surfing forums looking for the answer.
Get out there and take control of your future.
At my company, if we had someone show up, show some initiative and stick around for a few days, they would be hired to the ramp for sure. No, I won't give the name or town (that would make it too easy!), but I'm sure there are many other operators out there who are the same.
So.... , sorry for that crazy rant, but I see this question so often I had to let loose a little. Bottom line is, if you are comfortable right now, sipping a beer in your parents beautiful house, your not trying hard enough!!! You'll be on the right track when a peice of plywood on some empty boxes is your kitchen table.
Sincerely, I wish you Good Luck.
Ok, my rant is done!
This is bang on! I can't say how important it is. If you want to get on with your career, you will have to suck it up, pack your life up into that shi#%y car of yours, hit the road and make things happen. Instructing (imho) is the easy way to get hours, but are they really the ones you want? You will be great at making radio calls, telling people to watch their airspeeds, and keeping that right seat warm. I am already surpassing my intructors in experience (and hours soon enough)who taught me from my first solo after only a year in the bush. Nothing against you intructors out there, just my views
From the outsider's prospective, I have been lucky to get a job flying, but I think sometimes you have to make your own luck. It is no coincidance I have upgraded my position from rampie to SE pilot to ME pilot while changing numerous companies (due to better oppritunities). It is simply hard work, a good attitude, and being in the right place at the right time. I garuntee you if I stayed at home, I'd still be paying to fly and surfing forums looking for the answer.
Get out there and take control of your future.
At my company, if we had someone show up, show some initiative and stick around for a few days, they would be hired to the ramp for sure. No, I won't give the name or town (that would make it too easy!), but I'm sure there are many other operators out there who are the same.
So.... , sorry for that crazy rant, but I see this question so often I had to let loose a little. Bottom line is, if you are comfortable right now, sipping a beer in your parents beautiful house, your not trying hard enough!!! You'll be on the right track when a peice of plywood on some empty boxes is your kitchen table.
Sincerely, I wish you Good Luck.
Ok, my rant is done!
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China is desperate for pilots! Get a type-rating and the doors will open
Can you please name the outfit you mentioned and also their contact details ?
Albertaboy got it exactly right,
Get out there and take control of your future.
As an FYI.... A one minute browse of this forum(pprune), yielded the following information.....
There are jobs available but you have to move from your home somewhere else.
For example Jet Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Libyan Airways, MAS Swing and new company is opening in Indonesia. There are a rumors that one company from Gulf will buy ATR-s. So move your a.. and apply.
For example Jet Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Libyan Airways, MAS Swing and new company is opening in Indonesia. There are a rumors that one company from Gulf will buy ATR-s. So move your a.. and apply.
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China is desperate for pilots! Get a type-rating and the doors will open
YES THEY WILL. I watch it happen regularly!
China is desperate for pilots! Get a type-rating and the doors will open
YES THEY WILL. I watch it happen regularly!
There are jobs available but you have to move from your home somewhere else.
For example Jet Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Libyan Airways, MAS Swing and new company is opening in Indonesia. There are a rumors that one company from Gulf will buy ATR-s. So move your a.. and apply.
For example Jet Airways, Vietnam Airlines, Libyan Airways, MAS Swing and new company is opening in Indonesia. There are a rumors that one company from Gulf will buy ATR-s. So move your a.. and apply.
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I am quite aware, but also have first hand knowledge to the contrary. I'll provide ONE example (there are many).
VNA recently hired two foreign pilots with NO time on type. One, a European with NO time on type what-so-ever. He bought a type-rating for the A320 and is currently operating as an F/O. He contacted the company directly and worked out a two year deal with them himself.
The second is a woman from Canada with NO time on type. She also contacted the company directly and is currently operating the F70 as an F/O. Both had minimal experience and CPL's only.
Same shi+ happens in China, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc, etc, etc.
I have been over here for a long time (If you just finished a CPL, maybe since before you were born), and what I'm telling you comes from EXPERIENCE, not from a casual read of a website from the comforts of Mommy and Daddy's expensive house!
VNA recently hired two foreign pilots with NO time on type. One, a European with NO time on type what-so-ever. He bought a type-rating for the A320 and is currently operating as an F/O. He contacted the company directly and worked out a two year deal with them himself.
The second is a woman from Canada with NO time on type. She also contacted the company directly and is currently operating the F70 as an F/O. Both had minimal experience and CPL's only.
Same shi+ happens in China, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc, etc, etc.
I have been over here for a long time (If you just finished a CPL, maybe since before you were born), and what I'm telling you comes from EXPERIENCE, not from a casual read of a website from the comforts of Mommy and Daddy's expensive house!
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Appreciate the feedback pappyj. Still the exception rather than the norm though.
Currently I hold three ATPL/ATP's and I am typed on the B737, B757, B767, B777, and A330. Never had a cushy house from mom and dad so I guess I made my own luck?
Currently I hold three ATPL/ATP's and I am typed on the B737, B757, B767, B777, and A330. Never had a cushy house from mom and dad so I guess I made my own luck?
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India... low houred foreigners... not in a million years. There are thousands of unemployed Indians CPLs trying to get in. India's trying to get rid of the expats, and once the experience level is there, the expat Capt's will be gone.
Asia... generally only high time expat Captains... KAL hires some FO's but they want 1000 hours plus time on type.
China... if you're Chinese and speak Chinese, FO slots are probably available.
Malaysia.... are you a citizen with work rights?
Europe... do you have EU work rights?
Same with almost any country...
Asia... generally only high time expat Captains... KAL hires some FO's but they want 1000 hours plus time on type.
China... if you're Chinese and speak Chinese, FO slots are probably available.
Malaysia.... are you a citizen with work rights?
Europe... do you have EU work rights?
Same with almost any country...
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PosClimbIndia... low houred foreigners... not in a million years. There are thousands of unemployed Indians CPLs trying to get in. India's trying to get rid of the expats, and once the experience level is there, the expat Capt's will be gone.
Asia... generally only high time expat Captains... KAL hires some FO's but they want 1000 hours plus time on type.
China... if you're Chinese and speak Chinese, FO slots are probably available.
Malaysia.... are you a citizen with work rights?
Europe... do you have EU work rights?
Asia... generally only high time expat Captains... KAL hires some FO's but they want 1000 hours plus time on type.
China... if you're Chinese and speak Chinese, FO slots are probably available.
Malaysia.... are you a citizen with work rights?
Europe... do you have EU work rights?
By this reasoning there are no jobs in the world to be found!! I have noticed two types of attitudes since I started flying. Some people see all the road blocks and others see those tiny cracks to get through them. All the people I went to school with who told me all the reasons we wern't going to get work have fulfilled there own prophecy. On the flip, all of us (very few) who refused to submit to the average employment trends have excelled since school. It is all prospective.
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By this reasoning there are no jobs in the world to be found!! I have noticed two types of attitudes since I started flying. Some people see all the road blocks and others see those tiny cracks to get through them. All the people I went to school with who told me all the reasons we wern't going to get work have fulfilled there own prophecy. On the flip, all of us (very few) who refused to submit to the average employment trends have excelled since school. It is all prospective.
Your positive attitude is not strong enough to bend immigration laws I'm afraid.
I consider it irresponsible when some training organizations fill their students (and prospective students heads) with sh*t about "China's going to need thousands of pilots" or whatever.
That might be meaningful if your Chinese, but it's generally meaningless if if you're not Chinese.
Most countries prefer to hire locals for the entry level position slots because ultimately they want to get rid of the expats someday.
Low hour pilots should focus their time and energies on getting jobs they have a chance to actually find position. In Canada, that means either ramp or instructing.
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willing to hit the road!!
after sending hundreds of cv´s and no reply, I am going to knock personally door by door, for beaver, otter, caravan, ferry, whatever....
any, kind
, suggestion for low hour pilot? east of west? any region with more chances??
any, kind
, suggestion for low hour pilot? east of west? any region with more chances??
, need to build up time...