Jetsgo Pilots in Bahrain for GF interviews
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Well said jettt_settt. Excellent response, and I am sure Safety Guy, brucelee and others are nodding furiously in your defence as well as the other Jetsgo pilots. I hope you'll be able to get Leblanc to cough up,difficult though that may be...
Fantastic news on your 747 hire. Congratulations.
Oh, Payriseplease, are you still reading this, or have you scuttled into a corner with deep embarrassment ?
PS brucelee - 777!!
Only stuff I've heard on the merger news is a snippet from an instructor at the ranch and a piece in the Wall Street journal, not a great deal out there. Apparently, there is a big meeting this week with the business types in all 3 outfits in Montreal...
Fantastic news on your 747 hire. Congratulations.
Oh, Payriseplease, are you still reading this, or have you scuttled into a corner with deep embarrassment ?
PS brucelee - 777!!
Only stuff I've heard on the merger news is a snippet from an instructor at the ranch and a piece in the Wall Street journal, not a great deal out there. Apparently, there is a big meeting this week with the business types in all 3 outfits in Montreal...
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Brucelee, some of your comments are typical of the "AirCanada" attitude (unfortunately)...."if you don't work for AC, or don't make comparible wages, you are hurting the industry...".....I think you are out of touch with reality...AC hasn't hired in years and there aren't many alternatives that YOU would approve of. Unfortunately for many of us, when AC starts hiring again, we won't be in a position to accept such a large pay cut from our current salaries.
JettSett...congrats on the job....
Like I said in earlier posts, I can sympatize with out of work pilots who exhausted every option and ended up working at Jetsgo (could happen to any of us...), but what I don't agree with is those pilots who left decent paying jobs (ie, $50,000 flying a B1900) and handed over $30,000 just to get some jet time...that's what hurts this industry.
JettSett...congrats on the job....
Like I said in earlier posts, I can sympatize with out of work pilots who exhausted every option and ended up working at Jetsgo (could happen to any of us...), but what I don't agree with is those pilots who left decent paying jobs (ie, $50,000 flying a B1900) and handed over $30,000 just to get some jet time...that's what hurts this industry.
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What is hurting the industry is that pilots are treated like slaves, flying became a "reward" no a profession. Keeping the industry like this will bring "amateur" pilots flying... in few years we will have another job plus we will fly weekend and evenings as "reward". What is hurting even more is that aviation should be manage by pilots that stick togheter and treat each other like professionals, now everyone is abandoned to his own fate...
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I'm going to try and make this as easy as I can for you to understand. I never suggested that joining AC is right for YOU. In fact it sounds like you shouldn't even apply. My main comment is that the lowcost environment is partly responsible for neglecting guys like you a job at AC given the new starting salary structure. Some have made the move and it cost them $40-60k/yr for a couple of yrs. But they still figured it was the right thing to do. AC may not be the place for everybody anymore. It all depends on personal situations. I would like to see my coleagues at the lowcost carriers make what they deserve, which is more $. That in turn is good for all of us, including you. Get my drift? You say that I don't approve of any other way but the AC way. I suggest you go back and read my threads and you will note I am in full support of the Jetsgo, Westjet and others. I just whant them to earn a more respectable living for what they do.
Nothing personal but, my "attitude" is something you will probably never get to experience. Don't flatter yourself. Wether you like it or not, most of us if not all of us at AC wouldn't give up our jobs for whatever it is you do. Sounds to me like something whent wrong somewhere sometime ago and it's too late for you to fix it eh?
I'm going to try and make this as easy as I can for you to understand. I never suggested that joining AC is right for YOU. In fact it sounds like you shouldn't even apply. My main comment is that the lowcost environment is partly responsible for neglecting guys like you a job at AC given the new starting salary structure. Some have made the move and it cost them $40-60k/yr for a couple of yrs. But they still figured it was the right thing to do. AC may not be the place for everybody anymore. It all depends on personal situations. I would like to see my coleagues at the lowcost carriers make what they deserve, which is more $. That in turn is good for all of us, including you. Get my drift? You say that I don't approve of any other way but the AC way. I suggest you go back and read my threads and you will note I am in full support of the Jetsgo, Westjet and others. I just whant them to earn a more respectable living for what they do.
Nothing personal but, my "attitude" is something you will probably never get to experience. Don't flatter yourself. Wether you like it or not, most of us if not all of us at AC wouldn't give up our jobs for whatever it is you do. Sounds to me like something whent wrong somewhere sometime ago and it's too late for you to fix it eh?
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Jetsgo people certainly deserve a good break after the house of cards falling down. The industry has been desperate and it was ML taking advantage of guys looking for jet time. Not a proud part of history in Canadian aviation. However, it's looking like the tide is starting to rise again which is great for everyone.
Not sure if working in China will be a move in the right direction.......You might really miss your old job after a year over there, but at least you can move on and keep the ball rolling.
Cheers
Not sure if working in China will be a move in the right direction.......You might really miss your old job after a year over there, but at least you can move on and keep the ball rolling.
Cheers
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....yeah I guess something went wrong years ago...I wasn't born to an AC pilot...
...how are those law suits going against Irene???
I agree that everyone should make more money, but just because some of us don't work at AC, doesn't mean that we "did something wrong", or that we don't like our jobs and are "kicking ourselves" because we screwed up and don't work for the Red Team...more Air Canada arrogance
...how are those law suits going against Irene???I agree that everyone should make more money, but just because some of us don't work at AC, doesn't mean that we "did something wrong", or that we don't like our jobs and are "kicking ourselves" because we screwed up and don't work for the Red Team...more Air Canada arrogance
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I think the whore analogy is correct, but not in the way it was put by payraise. How many whores want to be whores? I imagine that they are in that situation because they have exhausted all possible other options to survive.
That is the point c150 is trying to make.
Being a whore is OK if you have no choice. It even has a certain dignity to it if the intent is to get back on one's feet, or support a family doing the only thing that one is qualified to do. - But how many people leave good jobs to become hookers?
Don't be fooled into thinking that the unions are always on side with ALL the pilots either. The unions are nearly always run by the more senior pilots, and during negotiations when the temptation comes to trade layoffs for better pay and conditions, the senior guys can figure out which side their bread is buttered.
That is the point c150 is trying to make.
Being a whore is OK if you have no choice. It even has a certain dignity to it if the intent is to get back on one's feet, or support a family doing the only thing that one is qualified to do. - But how many people leave good jobs to become hookers?
Don't be fooled into thinking that the unions are always on side with ALL the pilots either. The unions are nearly always run by the more senior pilots, and during negotiations when the temptation comes to trade layoffs for better pay and conditions, the senior guys can figure out which side their bread is buttered.
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c150. I'm going to give it one last shot. Go back and read my threads. I infact state that luck has much to do with how your career goes, not just wether you do something wrong or right. Sure, you have to prove yourself as well. AC uses pretty much the same hiring standards as anyone else- nothing special. There's nothing special about an AC pilot. What is special is that being here has certain perks, not to say that they are exclusive to AC but not many other companies in this country enjoy them. The jetsgo pilots may have bought a PPC, but when hiring resumes at AC, they may also have earned their way into a great job.
Not sure what the Irene thing is all about but I think I can guess.
She's gone.
As for you not being born to an AC pilot, that sucks. It may have been your only chance.
Not sure what the Irene thing is all about but I think I can guess.
She's gone.
As for you not being born to an AC pilot, that sucks. It may have been your only chance.
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Brucelee beat me to it...
This thread started with some
idiot using whore and prostitute analogies to describe Jetsgo pilots doing what they basically had to do to make themselves more marketable. Whoever payriseplease is, let's hope he's more successful in going through the new about to be announced GF CRM classes, rather than posting a thread to command respect from fellow aviators.
C150 - some of those guys and gals, might not have wanted to spend their days flying Beechcrafts for $50k a year, and given the state of the Canadian aviation hiring market of late, what choice did they have ? Go on, tell me, they should have organized themselves into a co-operative before signing on the bright green dotted-line. No-one, I repeat NO-ONE, has the right to criticise another trying to better themselves, and as I have said over and and over again, if I was in their shoes, and had the chance to get jet time, with the offer of repayment with interest, then, I'd have been there at the front of the line....
The tide may be turning in Canada, in terms of it coming out one of the worst downward cycles imaginable, and a wave of hiring will be coming in the next few years.
Air Canada is not for everyone. Like any large organization it has its challenges - but even then, applications and candidiates outstrip vacancies by a huge margin. It's also a good time to get in, with retirals on the way, and with the 777s on the way, as well as rumoured international expansion, a cruise relief job to get the ball rolling would be a great step forward for anyone in my opinion...
So, cutting to the chase, I am sick and tired of potshots at AC, and those who did what they thought they had to seek progression...why can't we all just accept that they did what they had to do to get the jet time that most if not all mainstream carriers need to see in the logbooks ?
Lastly, a bit of a surprize - I wasn't born to an Air Canada pilot, hell, I was even born a Brit - and here I am; timing and merit the 2 best ways to get a job, irrespective of what others might say about quotas...
P.S. It was my opinion that Irene had rotten legs anyway.
This thread started with some
idiot using whore and prostitute analogies to describe Jetsgo pilots doing what they basically had to do to make themselves more marketable. Whoever payriseplease is, let's hope he's more successful in going through the new about to be announced GF CRM classes, rather than posting a thread to command respect from fellow aviators. C150 - some of those guys and gals, might not have wanted to spend their days flying Beechcrafts for $50k a year, and given the state of the Canadian aviation hiring market of late, what choice did they have ? Go on, tell me, they should have organized themselves into a co-operative before signing on the bright green dotted-line. No-one, I repeat NO-ONE, has the right to criticise another trying to better themselves, and as I have said over and and over again, if I was in their shoes, and had the chance to get jet time, with the offer of repayment with interest, then, I'd have been there at the front of the line....
The tide may be turning in Canada, in terms of it coming out one of the worst downward cycles imaginable, and a wave of hiring will be coming in the next few years.
Air Canada is not for everyone. Like any large organization it has its challenges - but even then, applications and candidiates outstrip vacancies by a huge margin. It's also a good time to get in, with retirals on the way, and with the 777s on the way, as well as rumoured international expansion, a cruise relief job to get the ball rolling would be a great step forward for anyone in my opinion...
So, cutting to the chase, I am sick and tired of potshots at AC, and those who did what they thought they had to seek progression...why can't we all just accept that they did what they had to do to get the jet time that most if not all mainstream carriers need to see in the logbooks ?
Lastly, a bit of a surprize - I wasn't born to an Air Canada pilot, hell, I was even born a Brit - and here I am; timing and merit the 2 best ways to get a job, irrespective of what others might say about quotas...
P.S. It was my opinion that Irene had rotten legs anyway.
