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Yes the 300's depending always on the load were considered heavies. Anything over 250 grand is considered a heavy. So the 8's could be classified as heavies as well. I'm with you, good luck to all, I hope to see those birds around soon.
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If a DC10 freighter conversion was already approved by the FAA, who also approved the original DC10's before Transport did, would that not make it more of a paper work exercise than anything else?
Then again, we know how fast paper moves at Transport.
If there were extra safety features TC wanted installed that the FAA didn't (extra smoke detectors, etc.), could TC give an exemption for a period of time with the idea that they would shortly be brought up to a TC's desired standard?
Then again, we know how fast paper moves at Transport.
If there were extra safety features TC wanted installed that the FAA didn't (extra smoke detectors, etc.), could TC give an exemption for a period of time with the idea that they would shortly be brought up to a TC's desired standard?
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I fly for Jetsgo and know of 4 experienced Captains (top 20 in the seniority list) leaving for ACE to fly the 10 ( most of them flew the 310 in the Royal days and another one flew the 747 at one point). They're already on their leave of absence (LOA), so I think it's pretty sure they'll fly the DC10s cause they wouldn't leave for no reason. Being training Captains, they make some reasonnable dough here, even for a low cost.
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Ah yes the old Douglas Diner..."gear up...when do we eat?" Are the jetsgo leavers direct entry capt's or fo's? I can't see ACE not having some sort of seniority list. It was a fun ship to fly. IS ACE using FE's? Lots of questions...I'll shut up and listen now THX
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ACE already flies within Canada with a 727 for Air Canada. They are going to fly over seas for them with DC10's.
ACE's head office was in YHM Hamilton, Ontario but I think they are now based out of YYZ.
ACE's head office was in YHM Hamilton, Ontario but I think they are now based out of YYZ.
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You`d think that with all the B767-200`s being sent out to pasture, Air Canada could make good use of them as a freighter. UPS really loves them. Maybe it would be too expensive to modify them. Who knows what the exec`s are thinking, I guess that`s why they get the huge bucks!
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I hate to say it - but the rumour is now out that 1) ACE lost the Air Canada cargo run with the 727 in Canada to Cargojet and 2)the DC-10's are now a no-go. An American company (Gemini Air Freight) now has the contract and will use MD-11's. 
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rumors
AHH Rumors. Isn't aviation great. So where did you hear that gem?
The DC-10 boys are on course now and start-up is set for NOV. Who knows, maybe ACE is leasing from Gemini for OCT since the 747s are due to retire at the end of sept.
The DC-10 boys are on course now and start-up is set for NOV. Who knows, maybe ACE is leasing from Gemini for OCT since the 747s are due to retire at the end of sept.
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Yes they're well established - they used to operate to UPS domestic network until CargoJect came in and underbid them. Now they're operating the domestic Air Canada daytime freighters, and doing some work for Cubana as well with the 727-200f's.
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Air Canada has finalized the deal with cargojet to fly their west coast day freight starting Sept. 21st. Thats the official word no joke. Hopefully no one gets stung at ACE and thier able to find work the new hires.
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I heard the above and that the DC10's are toast. The work the 10's were to do is being contracted to Gemini and their MD-11's. Word is Cargo Jet undercut Ace by 50%, but I can't substantiate this. Bad news all round if you're with Ace!
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I can't confirm this rumour either, but I heard that Gemini is to do the run for 6 months until ACE is up and running with their 10's. This wouln't surprisse me. Is there not a law prohibiting the contracting out of aircraft if a company in Canada has the same capability. I thought I remembered Transat using it when 747's registered in the UK were goign to do YMX- Haiti charters, Transat won, but I think the work was given to KFC when they had columbus. Anyone know if I'm somewhere in the ball park. Also ACE would have to be nuts not have an Iron clad contract before putting guys on course and aquiring aircraft.
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You can't compare Cargojet and ACE, they are two different stories.
ACE was a straight wet lease, the same as when they were operating for UPS. The reason why all this has come about is because Cargojet operates a Co-Load network which allows the customer to purchase as much space as they require, and then Cargojet fills the rest of the aircraft up with their own freight.
With the AC contract, it is slightly different where AC has wet leased the aircraft from Cargojet, however, Cargojet has agreed to purchase x amount of space from AC thereby generating more revenue for AC Cargo.
You can't say that Cargojet undercut them - it certainly has passed on a great savings to AC, but it is because of the fact that Cargojet has its own cargo to move during the day, not because they are giving away their services.
ACE was a straight wet lease, the same as when they were operating for UPS. The reason why all this has come about is because Cargojet operates a Co-Load network which allows the customer to purchase as much space as they require, and then Cargojet fills the rest of the aircraft up with their own freight.
With the AC contract, it is slightly different where AC has wet leased the aircraft from Cargojet, however, Cargojet has agreed to purchase x amount of space from AC thereby generating more revenue for AC Cargo.
You can't say that Cargojet undercut them - it certainly has passed on a great savings to AC, but it is because of the fact that Cargojet has its own cargo to move during the day, not because they are giving away their services.
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WJ, I think you are right. It's going to take time to get Canadian approvals for the airplane and maintenance. Training for the crew is going ahead, although at a slower pace.
Sure Ace can't compete with Cargojet on price if AC is only paying for a portion of the space on the aircraft. 2nd hand info, but I heard that frequently the plane was full on the AC Vancouver run, so I don't know if AC will miss the capacity. Does Cargojet do more than one flight a day out there? Do they do separate flights to Calgary and Vancouver where ACE combined them into one?
Sure Ace can't compete with Cargojet on price if AC is only paying for a portion of the space on the aircraft. 2nd hand info, but I heard that frequently the plane was full on the AC Vancouver run, so I don't know if AC will miss the capacity. Does Cargojet do more than one flight a day out there? Do they do separate flights to Calgary and Vancouver where ACE combined them into one?
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