Air Canada and ACE
 

Air Canada is getting rid of its 747 combi's. What routes did they normally fly?

Allcanada Express is already flying some AC stuff and the word is they are getting one or more DC-10's. Is this for the AC stuff replacing the loss of 747 capacity?

There wasn't much in the way of freight being carried by AC. As far as I know they were flying Toronto - Frankfurt.

I don't think the 10's will come for about a year - if at all. I can think of better planes than 10's though. They have been talking about getting them since the 90's.

And Toronto to Heathrow. They are still flying but are due to go by September, as far as I know.

They are planning to have the first DC-10 operating by October. They should be up to 7 '27's by the end of the year.

They must have been working on this for a looooong time, as it will take forever to get a heavy freighter certified in this country.

Good for them.

Confusing.

AllCanada Express, aka ACE flying freight under contract for Air Canada, soon to become Air Canada Enterprises, aka ACE.

ACE contracting for ACE.:ooh:

Two ACE's - maybe they should get three King Air's for the full house!

:p

Ah, but the four queens who worked my last flight will beat your full house any day! :O

Even more confusing:

It's official, ACE to fly DC-10's to Europe for Air Canada Cargo. ACE contracting to ACE.:ok:

I gotta beat four queens, eh? Well, Safety Guy, I'll have a heterosexual prince use the lavoratory - that will be a "Royal Flush"!!

:rolleyes:

More spades...
 

Air Canada to Set-Up Cargo Subsidiary

In a filing Friday with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT), Air Canada said it wants to establish a subsidiary for its cargo traffic, initially responsible for Air Canada belly cargo. The move is an indication that the formal steps in the airline's restructuring are underway.

The creation of Air Canada Cargo as a separate entity was part of Air Canada’s court-approved plan to emerge from bankruptcy protection, which has been cleared for Sept. 30. Under the plan Air Canada has created a separate airline, Air Canada Cargo, to market and sell the cargo space on the aircraft of Air Canada and its affiliates. It initially will not operate its own aircraft or hold its own Air Operator Certificate.

The president of Air Canada Cargo will be Claude Morin, currently vice president of cargo for Air Canada. On the company's board will be Morin, along with Air Canada President and CEO Robert Milton, Paul Létourneau, Air Canada's vice president and corporate secretary. The company will be set-up as a Québec corporation during the first weeks of September.

http://www.commercialaviationtoday.com/

So...just curious who is going to crew these DC-10's ?

That would be AllCanada Express (ACE). Contracted to Air Canada Enterprises (ACE). Confusing, eh?

From yyz news, http://www.yyznews.com/Aug.html

b)...Air Canada Cargo has entered into an agreement with All Canada Express to utilize at least two DC-10s beginning this fall on routes to Europe. These will effectively replace the cargo capacity lost with the withdrawal of the last three Boeing 747-400 combis at the end of October. All Canada Express will operate the flights on a charter basis for Air Canada Cargo, as they currently do with a 727-200 between Toronto and Calgary/Vancouver. More details will be made available when known.

I beleive Air Canada Cargo will sell the space in the bellies of AC airplanes and the space in the AllCanada Express operated 727's and DC10's operated for Air Canada Cargo.

I'm glad to hear some big iron is comming - it should help diversify ACE considerably, but I do have some question as to wether they will be ready in time to start. I would hate to see them get into trouble before they even started.

I know the 747 combies are being returned to the leasers at the end of Sept. I guess ACE needs another month to get ready - yet I (and a few others) haven't heard of any applications made by ACE yet for this service. I also wonder how they plan to have the A/C certified in time? They would have had to start on that a while ago.

Can anyone who works for ACE shed some light on how things are going with this project?

Back to my previous question.....Anyone know who will crew these ACE aircraft ? Is this an already established company/airline or ? Thanx

Allcanada Express operates its own aircraft. They already have a contract with Air Canada flying freight out of YYZ to YYC and Vancouver on a B727. They also have other contracts, all flown with their own aircraft and crews.

The DC-10 is already certified in Canada as Canadian airlines flew it. As for crew and maintenance there is a wealth of ex-DC-10 mintenance and crew around. I know many people who have flown the 10 worked on it and endorsed on it. As well MTU in YVR do CF6-50 eng overhaul and maintenance. There is also room for maintenance to be done in YYZ with that new enormous hangar. I hear they are renting the bays out for nothing since AC backed out of the deal. Westjet has snapped up one bay at amazing rates and has options on another. I for one am happy to see things are looking up for work and the airline industry. Let's hope it lasts more than a couple of years. ACE also has some Capt's with heavy experience as well.

Yes - the DC-10 has been certified in Canada - BUT never in a freighter configuration! No heavy jet has ever been certified in this country as a pure freighter.

That is what will take time - TC has to certify the aircraft as a freighter. Depending on the conversion and the aircraft type - that could take up to 6 months or more.:(

Actually there were some heavy jet's approved in all cargo config. ICC Air Cargo operated 5 Airbus A-300 B4's and air Canada had the DC-8's in all cargo config. There was also another company owned by the owner of ICC who operated an all cargo DC-8 out of YMX. As well ICC had planned to operated a DC-10 freighter and had it on their O.C as well as their AMO, so thinks should go quickly for ACE. I hear they are starting this month.

WJman,
Your right about the A300 - I had forgot about them. But I was talking about "Heavies". Is the A300 considered a heavy? If so - my fault.

The DC-10 has no Frieghter designations on the type certificate which means it was never certified here. http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/stc/intro_e.html

Regardless of what is or isn't certified, I really do hope they can get the 10's up and running quickly. It will help aviation a lot and open a lot more doors for them. I was just slightly concerened that if it turned out they needed 4 or 5 months to get the plane certified then they would be late on their contract, thats all.

Good luck to all involved - no matter the hurdles.:ok: