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Old 22nd May 2018, 21:09
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Notwithstanding that this thread may be in the wrong place, because it relates to CPL training... May I offer some thoughts, as a recruiter:

It's hard enough now to find good candidates. Standards are lower than ever before and heading south.

Give me a hundred competent ex-NCO-aircrew candidates inked from torso to toe bar hands, face, and neck, and they’ll do very well. Public acceptance generally (and probably unlawfully) disbars the areas of the body mentioned.

I can comfortably accept a little self-expression when competence and professional standards are the upside.

I am also a fan of good tattoos. At their best, they can be amazingly artistic, deeply resonant, hugely significant, and seriously affirming. I often chat to people about their visible tattoos, and have never had a disappointing conversation (that said, I wouldn't enquire about ACAB across the knuckles). My last such conversation, with a young man serving me in a mobile phone store, led to my hearing a deeply touching story of father and son, war and service, and loss. I was left with a profound respect for the young man concerned. To those expressing a contrary view above, I recommend a much more open-minded approach to life in 2018.

Regarding cargosales’ post above, I’m not sure that the tattoos defined the outcome. I’ve flown with eminent single-seat FJ QFIs and QWIs with tattoos, who would have sailed through your processes, I’ve no doubt. That’s not to say they’re the crŤme de la crŤme but I hope you get my point.

So, if you’re in front of me, and inked, but your ink is not visible in business attire, you have nothing to fear. For the OP, you may wish to revise the location you have in mind for your own artwork.

Finally, I don't recruit for a sandpit airline; if you want to play in their sandpit, you play by their own daft rules. I wouldn't do that. The money is nothing like worth the misery, and I enjoy respecting my colleagues and employer too much.

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Old 24th May 2018, 03:46
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Not only acknowledging the criminal and biker lifestyle, but putting money into their pockets via their ownership of tattoo parlours.

Does any sensible, responsible person want to see these type of people obtain enrichment via a process that, in any case, displays the wearer of a tattoo as potentially demonstrating a measure of psychological insecurity("toned down" somewhat from a more "pointed" observation)?

A "lose lose" situation if ever there was one.

I won't even touch on Leviticus.

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Old 24th May 2018, 11:53
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If they're visible then I guess it's not appropriate to be seen doing a responsible/professional job; pilot, doctor, lawyer et al. Just look at that BBC video shot of David Beckham in St Georges's chapel (at the royal wedding) last Saturday, he comes across as a thug dressed in formal clothing chewing gum. I personally do not like tattoos, I cannot understand why people wish to permanently mark and disfigure their bodies; but that's just me. I know many airline pilots who have discreet one's but well hidden from public view. Act in haste repent at leisure comes to mind.
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Old 25th May 2018, 09:12
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Not just you PA. I cannot understand the wish for tattoos (or piercings), especially on women. If good looking why do they disfigure themselves and if ugly why do they want to draw attention to themselves?
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Old 25th May 2018, 21:16
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...and that post perfectly epitomises the bigotry in this thread.

Fek me, there are some eejits about.
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Old 26th May 2018, 11:14
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I still don't understand why this is in the Cabin Crew forum...

Things which are related to CC often get deleted after not very long run in this forum, yet this is not related to CC and is still here...

Can the mods not move it to a pilot forum instead?
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Old 26th May 2018, 17:32
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As a dispatcher I come across a lot of pilots at work and I have to say Iím surprised by the number of pilots with tattoos that Iíve seen. More notably one right behind a young FOís ear and one wrapping around anotherís wrist. Admittedly they were flying for the same airline (not exactly the most professional one at that) so maybe they just have more laxed restrictions on such things. I am soon to start my flight training and do intend to get a tattoo in a coverable position.

I must add that the bigotry in this thread has really surprised me. In such a modern time itís shocking to see such intolerance to something many consider very beautiful pieces of art. I hope the industry can move along with the times so to speak and realise that tattoos arenít just for those who break the law.
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 10:34
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I must add that the bigotry in this thread has really surprised me. In such a modern time itís shocking to see such intolerance to something many consider very beautiful pieces of art. I hope the industry can move along with the times so to speak and realise that tattoos arenít just for those who break the law.
Considering the stakes I do not think it is good idea to get a tatoo if it may potentailly rule out 20% of positions available.
Bigotry? It's your body and your career. It is not about what me, you and other people on the forum think. It is about what HR may think.

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Old 6th Jun 2018, 11:14
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Considering the stakes I do not think it is good idea to get a tatoo if it may potentailly rule out 20% of positions available.
Bigotry? It's your body and your career. It is not about what me, you and other people on the forum think. It is about what HR may think.

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Yes I agree that it is down to the individual and it is obviously then down to what HR think of it. Iím not implying people should make their mind up based on what some people in a forum are saying. But for those who do look to these threads for advice, seeing someone completely dismissing all tattoos as disgusting pieces of criminal and biker wear isnít very helpful.
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 21:17
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Advice has been offered .... don't do it. Now it's up to the OP to decide how important his flying career is to him. And of course if airlines have policies on tattoos, this should be seriously borne in mind before committing to what is generally there for a lifetime ... art form or not.
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Old 9th Jun 2018, 06:09
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Why is this posted in the Cabin Crew forum? Don't we have moderators any more?
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 02:21
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If you haven't got it, don't get it.

If you have to be one of the herd get a semi-permanent one.

You get it, it will trip you up one day.

There is no balancingoption - no one is ever going to hire you in a professional position because you HAVE a tattoo
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 08:40
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no one is ever going to hire you in a professional position because you HAVE a tattoo
I just canít agree with this. Iíve seen, first hand, so many pilots with visible tattoos on the job that this statement just isnít true.
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 17:03
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believe that no tattoos anywhere on the body are allowed if employed in the sandpit.
not true. Some airlines have stricter rules than others, and they differ between cabin crew and flight crew. But you absolutely can have tattoos with several of the major ME carriers, so long as it's not visible in uniform.

Of course some get their tattoos AFTER joining (but still in a place normally covered by the uniform)

Qatar I think is the only one that doesn't like the tattoos, but again I think this is only for CC and on a case by case basis (they must submit a photo of the tattoo and mark on a diagram where it is located) Not sure what QR does about pilots
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