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EAAC AUSTRALIA ROUTES
Rumour has it that EAAC have Australia in their sights. I hope they organise it well as it will be a little bit different than just sending guys out to Orlando to maintain the aircraft. I hope they know what it envolves.
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Nice One Blame ops/crewing because you have not got a pay rise.
Blending in with the european blame culture quite well...
I dont know if you have visited the head office recently, but the operations department is heavily understaffed. Information passed to crew is only what crewing has been informed. But we dont complain and just get on with it till the job is done...
p.s. if you could organise the orgy could we all have an invite? we dont get out much at the moment.
Blending in with the european blame culture quite well...
I dont know if you have visited the head office recently, but the operations department is heavily understaffed. Information passed to crew is only what crewing has been informed. But we dont complain and just get on with it till the job is done...
p.s. if you could organise the orgy could we all have an invite? we dont get out much at the moment.
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Being now Cabin Crew and ex Op's I do know what you lot in crewing are going though. It is hard with change the changes arriving every minute or so.
I am hopeful that things will change for the better very soon. I actually received a call from the airport pass man today saying that he had not received a referance, only 4 weeks after I had called all to check that they had sent back a reply (All said yes) As it was the one 'lost' referance was faxed over. Still waiting for confirmation of pass but hopeful before next flight.
Things can only get better so I hope that everyone will stay for the next month or so, beside where else is there to go ? It is a laugh after all.
C
PS Please Mr Gimp can I have the next 6 day MCO trip
I am hopeful that things will change for the better very soon. I actually received a call from the airport pass man today saying that he had not received a referance, only 4 weeks after I had called all to check that they had sent back a reply (All said yes) As it was the one 'lost' referance was faxed over. Still waiting for confirmation of pass but hopeful before next flight.
Things can only get better so I hope that everyone will stay for the next month or so, beside where else is there to go ? It is a laugh after all.
C
PS Please Mr Gimp can I have the next 6 day MCO trip
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Ops Gimp. I admire what you all do in Ops. It must be hard there at the moment. Whenever I ring crewing/Ops, I am always spoken to respectflly and your people are always polite. As for my ID, I am STILL waiting to hear anything about it. I joined the company May 27th and I know for a fact all previous employers have replied as I chased them all up. So I have no idea what the chappy(and you know who I mean) is doing with references.Maybe he's lost them on his drives to and from Edinburgh to Bournemouth!
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BIG BOYS GAMES...BIG BOYS RULES......
Couldn't possibly comment.......
The sooner the old f$$t is put out to pasture the better
Acabin service manual would be nice as well.....
had a friend who flew on MAN/SFB recently; said the 'Premium' service was sloppy with untrained (her words) crew doing thier best but with little direction from SCCM
But then you can't polish a t**d can you........
The sooner the old f$$t is put out to pasture the better
Acabin service manual would be nice as well.....
had a friend who flew on MAN/SFB recently; said the 'Premium' service was sloppy with untrained (her words) crew doing thier best but with little direction from SCCM
But then you can't polish a t**d can you........
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I really do like the old ops director, he's fine, i never noted him doing much wrong, he is/was very overstressed with the payload from the 747's. I think you might find that the ops director has nothing to do with the flight deck or cabin crews salery's.
I live on the same salery as the cabin crew, and I am coping fine with it, if you like your joob you will live with it, if you dont then find another company to work for... only the people who whinge about salery's are normally the ones who WONT get one!. Yes common fact.
I think its actully very VAIN, to whinge about salerys... I mean, I am a begineer yes I have PPL and know aviation very well and have now 2 years experience, but if you prove you are worth more... then your boss will notice and give you a pay rise.. you dont get a pay rise for simply doing your job....
YOU GET A PAY RISE BECAUSE YOUR BOSS BELIVES YOU ARE WORTH IT!. and not being vain, becuase you think you are worth it.
FACT OF LIFE... LEARN FROM IT!!!!!!!
I live on the same salery as the cabin crew, and I am coping fine with it, if you like your joob you will live with it, if you dont then find another company to work for... only the people who whinge about salery's are normally the ones who WONT get one!. Yes common fact.
I think its actully very VAIN, to whinge about salerys... I mean, I am a begineer yes I have PPL and know aviation very well and have now 2 years experience, but if you prove you are worth more... then your boss will notice and give you a pay rise.. you dont get a pay rise for simply doing your job....
YOU GET A PAY RISE BECAUSE YOUR BOSS BELIVES YOU ARE WORTH IT!. and not being vain, becuase you think you are worth it.
FACT OF LIFE... LEARN FROM IT!!!!!!!
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Classic and Cheshire...
I'm afraid that you're both suffering from a distinct lack of understanding as far as European is concerned. You will both be given a pay rise when the company thinks you are about to ****** off somewhere else. Don't let your own misguided definition of hard work or loyalty cloud your vision on this issue. I have worked for European for 5 years now and my own definitions in this respect have altered significantly over that period. Although I like the company and enjoy working here, I am very realistic in terms of pay and conditions. I despise anyone who would seek to spoil my way of life or suppress my monetary gain. This can be said of our last Ops Director who, it is said, went in at the lowest bid possible in the last board meeting where pay rise was an issue. Let's not suck up to him or any of his ilk. I think that the new bloke will be a breath of fresh air.
It's all about market forces folks. Let's not cloud it with talk of Loyalty and honourable things. European will. Get real!!
I'm afraid that you're both suffering from a distinct lack of understanding as far as European is concerned. You will both be given a pay rise when the company thinks you are about to ****** off somewhere else. Don't let your own misguided definition of hard work or loyalty cloud your vision on this issue. I have worked for European for 5 years now and my own definitions in this respect have altered significantly over that period. Although I like the company and enjoy working here, I am very realistic in terms of pay and conditions. I despise anyone who would seek to spoil my way of life or suppress my monetary gain. This can be said of our last Ops Director who, it is said, went in at the lowest bid possible in the last board meeting where pay rise was an issue. Let's not suck up to him or any of his ilk. I think that the new bloke will be a breath of fresh air.
It's all about market forces folks. Let's not cloud it with talk of Loyalty and honourable things. European will. Get real!!
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You have never been a manager have you!.
Of course they would consider a pay rise if you where considering moving, the company is suffering from lack of experience where the 747's are concerned (which would be the same in ANY COMPANY NOT JUST EUROPEAN) and we need all the expertise in all the different roles as we can get.
For anyone who is reading this thread who is thinking of joining european.... PAY is not as bad as these moaning little minies are whidging about.
And for you lot who are working for european.... grow up!! if the pay is that bad, how come you stay and "indure" the "bad pay".
Get a life and stop being soo vain.
so a big..
Of course they would consider a pay rise if you where considering moving, the company is suffering from lack of experience where the 747's are concerned (which would be the same in ANY COMPANY NOT JUST EUROPEAN) and we need all the expertise in all the different roles as we can get.
For anyone who is reading this thread who is thinking of joining european.... PAY is not as bad as these moaning little minies are whidging about.
And for you lot who are working for european.... grow up!! if the pay is that bad, how come you stay and "indure" the "bad pay".
Get a life and stop being soo vain.
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CLASSIC AVIATOR
I think that there is always bitterness shown towards ex-AML crew from people who never had the chance to do what they did. You should realise that they bitch about European not because they had it easy and didn't work hard but because EAAC is poor to say the least. Wake up and smell the roses. And as for the future of EAAC?
I think that there is always bitterness shown towards ex-AML crew from people who never had the chance to do what they did. You should realise that they bitch about European not because they had it easy and didn't work hard but because EAAC is poor to say the least. Wake up and smell the roses. And as for the future of EAAC?
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European is real flying for real people, it is not superficial flying for superficial people.
If you want to go further in european then I would stop these derogatory comments anf think hard about what you really want out of a job, you may find yourself rethinking your options.
LIFE ISN'T MEANT TO BE COMFORTABLE.. ANOTHER FACT.. LEARN!!!
Well said CA!
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The company is improving slowly but surely. It gets kicks up the backside by the CAA. The latest kick is grounding all crew with no ID. The last kick was CAA on board to check things and seeing that EAAC sends crew to work with no uniform-Suddenly we all get packages of uniform through the post.
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GRIM REAPER OUT OF EUROPEAN
Any truth to the rumour that the grim reaper aka cruella is going in october??? What she gonna do go back to America
Whats happened to the Canada flights heard something that the canadian gov has said no to that operation.????
See lots of pro plus european people must be the golden girls, come on get real european needs a big kick up the behind and get real Luddite as you quoted you need a real sense of humour isn't that a understatement and also a large bank ballance before you join.
As for the pilots know personally quite a few of them and they are very nice genuine guys, friendly and approachable. and as for European being Real flying "GET A GRIP" No proper First Class / Business Class training to any standard and as for the VIP flights could do better by going to tesco's and ordering it myself its a joke "Mike Fox" Service it isnt better than flying in Business Class to Europe it certainly isn't upto VIP Standards by any means
For all you people at european just waiting for something better to come along hope it happens soon for you, you all have my sympathies.
Happy Flying Gotta Go
Whats happened to the Canada flights heard something that the canadian gov has said no to that operation.????
See lots of pro plus european people must be the golden girls, come on get real european needs a big kick up the behind and get real Luddite as you quoted you need a real sense of humour isn't that a understatement and also a large bank ballance before you join.
As for the pilots know personally quite a few of them and they are very nice genuine guys, friendly and approachable. and as for European being Real flying "GET A GRIP" No proper First Class / Business Class training to any standard and as for the VIP flights could do better by going to tesco's and ordering it myself its a joke "Mike Fox" Service it isnt better than flying in Business Class to Europe it certainly isn't upto VIP Standards by any means
For all you people at european just waiting for something better to come along hope it happens soon for you, you all have my sympathies.
Happy Flying Gotta Go
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Premium seats in A Zone on 747
The premium seats in A zone of the B747 are old BA Club seats. As for the service, it really does not warrant a specific course. The passengers sitting there are not the usual First Class types, they have only paid an extra £99 to sit there. We don't intend to offer a First Class service, just an upgraded service.
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Sorry European Sky must disagree with you on that one it does not matter how much someone has paid its the experience of the flight that matters, and having someone who serves you who has the finese and knowledge of the product and service routines that does make a whole lot of difference. And it does show when someone doesn't have that experience.
So come on spill the beans is cruella going to leave European or not????
And also just to clarify things not knocking anyones experience from previous airlines as to their Business/First class training as do know quite a few ex BA, AML, Saudia
So come on spill the beans is cruella going to leave European or not????
And also just to clarify things not knocking anyones experience from previous airlines as to their Business/First class training as do know quite a few ex BA, AML, Saudia
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UPGRADED SERVICE
I worked in A zone to see what product we offered. The product itself is OK what is lacking is the equipment to do the service-no milk jugs, small coffee/tea pots, little things like that would make the service better. I used to be at BA and do First etc and although not quite the same, there wasn't much in it at the end when me and my colleage had finished. I agree previous experience in First Class would help, just that at the moment European cannot give us the equipment to do the job properly.
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Dear ES, if the equipment is not to your liking or standards!! then you'll just have to improvise and give more of your personality.
The key thing is to send them on their way happy with the belief that they are special and have had their money's worth. I've had no complaints, quite the contrary.
The key thing is to send them on their way happy with the belief that they are special and have had their money's worth. I've had no complaints, quite the contrary.