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European...The best!
Dear All,
I worked for European,Stansted based, in 1998 and was the best job I ever had!
i left to have a family but still miss those days.
As for the money, Like Big Dick said, you don't have to work there! I didn't care for the money, it was enough for me to have the great trips and see a lot of europe, which included meeting many celeberatories including the Lazio football team.
Now they can't be that bad can they
All the staff were lovely and professional and many have gone on to work for major airlines.
I think that being professional is down to the individual not the company, and like all airlines, there is always a few bad eggs, which are always caught out.
European 'IS' very professional and its a shame that there are people out there who are (probably retired cabin crew) not up to the grade any more, wishing to bad mouth this company as they were rejected for a job
Opps! Enough said...
Regards
Sara.C
I worked for European,Stansted based, in 1998 and was the best job I ever had!
i left to have a family but still miss those days.As for the money, Like Big Dick said, you don't have to work there! I didn't care for the money, it was enough for me to have the great trips and see a lot of europe, which included meeting many celeberatories including the Lazio football team.
Now they can't be that bad can they
All the staff were lovely and professional and many have gone on to work for major airlines.
I think that being professional is down to the individual not the company, and like all airlines, there is always a few bad eggs, which are always caught out.
European 'IS' very professional and its a shame that there are people out there who are (probably retired cabin crew) not up to the grade any more, wishing to bad mouth this company as they were rejected for a job
Opps! Enough said...
Regards
Sara.C
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Sara98, what crap, you left for a family (apparently), so that could mean that you found your perfect match or you worked in that job for such a short period of time that it was inconsequential to you. Either way times change and so do companies. Now come on back and see if you can hack it again!, I very much doudt it. 
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in my opinion, the company must be up to scratch regarding crewing and personnel issues otherwise the CAA would investigate, unless that is, the CAA are unaware of such behaviour. only suggestion for the crew that work there is to join the union and keep records of out of hours telephone calls.
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It seems to me like a few of you (esp Flaredammit) are not qualifying your position on this subject. Many of you are treating this as an opportunity to bad mouth the company, probably over some petty gripe in the past or maybe as a result of second hand info. As current flight deck, I take exception to the view that some of you think that we are unprofessional / unsafe etc. If I thought for one minute that I was flying for a dangerous operator, then you wouldn't see me for dust.
All airlines have their problems and European has its fair share. But they're working on it. I know because I work for them and keep my ear to the ground.
Let's have more positivity folks. What would you do to cure European's problems??? Give me solutions not problems.
Sara98. Long time no see. Hope everythings OK.
All airlines have their problems and European has its fair share. But they're working on it. I know because I work for them and keep my ear to the ground.
Let's have more positivity folks. What would you do to cure European's problems??? Give me solutions not problems.
Sara98. Long time no see. Hope everythings OK.
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EAAC
Hi Guys
Just been reading the post about EAAC and i am sorry big dick (and i know who you are) but it takes a fool not to see that what people are saying is true, and only someone without any other options would defend them, i too am new to european and have sussed it out very quickly as should you when you decide to remove your blinkers. But also i must pat you on the back for being an optomist it's a good quality but i do feel it is wasted at european.
safe and happy skies
:o EAAC
Just been reading the post about EAAC and i am sorry big dick (and i know who you are) but it takes a fool not to see that what people are saying is true, and only someone without any other options would defend them, i too am new to european and have sussed it out very quickly as should you when you decide to remove your blinkers. But also i must pat you on the back for being an optomist it's a good quality but i do feel it is wasted at european.
safe and happy skies
:o EAAC
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EAL are interviewing at Gatwick on Friday 7th and Monday 10th of June.
Interesting post here, I'm thinking of coming to EAL to do a 6 month season.... I am primarily looking for a temporary position with flying on the 747, and EAL looks like it could be an adventure if nothing else!
Can anyone give info on the typical schedule F/A's fly, i.e the days on and off pattern, and typical flying. Do you have any 'bidding' for days off / trips worked etc.? How easy is it to drop or pick up shifts? How much rest do you get in US / Canada after trans-at flt over from UK?
Also, there was talk about pay.... what's the definitive amount with allowances etc.?
Finally, how many crew are there RIGHT NOW, and are there any opportunities for Purser / In Charge? (I have previous wide body and In Charge experience).
Many thanks from all you EAL'ers!
Interesting post here, I'm thinking of coming to EAL to do a 6 month season.... I am primarily looking for a temporary position with flying on the 747, and EAL looks like it could be an adventure if nothing else!
Can anyone give info on the typical schedule F/A's fly, i.e the days on and off pattern, and typical flying. Do you have any 'bidding' for days off / trips worked etc.? How easy is it to drop or pick up shifts? How much rest do you get in US / Canada after trans-at flt over from UK?
Also, there was talk about pay.... what's the definitive amount with allowances etc.?
Finally, how many crew are there RIGHT NOW, and are there any opportunities for Purser / In Charge? (I have previous wide body and In Charge experience).
Many thanks from all you EAL'ers!
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I have been offered a position with European and am in 2 minds whether to accept. I have see the "goss" on here and it all seems pretty neg. but am willing to have a challenge
Have a few friends that have just started there and they say its chaos but hey are happy to go with it... they are pretty experienced and have encountered these things in previous companies Big D you were one of them!!! and 10/10 for being positive...
Only thing holding me back is the temp. contract thing, low wage as main crew, and a temp contract...
Will need to thing long and hard.....
Have a few friends that have just started there and they say its chaos but hey are happy to go with it... they are pretty experienced and have encountered these things in previous companies Big D you were one of them!!! and 10/10 for being positive...
Only thing holding me back is the temp. contract thing, low wage as main crew, and a temp contract...
Will need to thing long and hard.....
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Missing post
Hi there guys
I posted a reply to the EAAC notice board earlier today and it's gone or maybe i posted it in the wrong forum?
If by any chance anyone is surfing forums can you let me know if it pops up, DOH!
safe flying happy skies
:o :o :o :o :o
I posted a reply to the EAAC notice board earlier today and it's gone or maybe i posted it in the wrong forum?
If by any chance anyone is surfing forums can you let me know if it pops up, DOH!
safe flying happy skies
:o :o :o :o :o
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sorry guys forget that that last message i found it HOW TIRED!
Well thats european for you.
YYC F/A you wanted to know what a typical roster is like,80% is sby on a hand written shared page, you do get called out though mainly for night stops in europe at the mo,one crew went out on an unbelievable trip as two aircrafts went tech one after the other and the crew went out of hours and minimum minimum rest back at lgw to go out again the next morning.
The aircraft finally took off still with the problem and was later fixed on the ground down route
When the crew got down route as usual no transport so taxi's flagged down only to take them to the wrong hotel.
When the crew were told of the pick up time it was explained that Eaac had not extended the check out time and the crew would have to leave there rooms and go on duty a few hours earlier.
They arrived back at lgw after 12 hours or so to drag cases and trollies through the south term and on the shuttle to the meridien hotel to have mimimum mimimum rest to operate back out to a european destination that same afternoon.(what).
And of course after much time wasting more taxi's flagged down.
The crew returned to the aircraft after a nightstop after minimum rest ooh and of course not forgetting the longhaul transatlantic, to find only more delays.Some had 1 day off others sby after the trip.
I think most of that crew are about to do another longhaul nightstop.
So if you think you can do this then this certainly is the company for you. GOOD LUCK.
sorry guys forget that that last message i found it HOW TIRED!
Well thats european for you.
YYC F/A you wanted to know what a typical roster is like,80% is sby on a hand written shared page, you do get called out though mainly for night stops in europe at the mo,one crew went out on an unbelievable trip as two aircrafts went tech one after the other and the crew went out of hours and minimum minimum rest back at lgw to go out again the next morning.
The aircraft finally took off still with the problem and was later fixed on the ground down route
When the crew got down route as usual no transport so taxi's flagged down only to take them to the wrong hotel.
When the crew were told of the pick up time it was explained that Eaac had not extended the check out time and the crew would have to leave there rooms and go on duty a few hours earlier.
They arrived back at lgw after 12 hours or so to drag cases and trollies through the south term and on the shuttle to the meridien hotel to have mimimum mimimum rest to operate back out to a european destination that same afternoon.(what).
And of course after much time wasting more taxi's flagged down.
The crew returned to the aircraft after a nightstop after minimum rest ooh and of course not forgetting the longhaul transatlantic, to find only more delays.Some had 1 day off others sby after the trip.
I think most of that crew are about to do another longhaul nightstop.
So if you think you can do this then this certainly is the company for you. GOOD LUCK.
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Thanks Venus!
I've tried to pvt message you, but don't know if it worked.
So, mostly Standby rosters... What about the days on off pattern...? I was really trying to find some part time flying, but most carriers are only looking for full time. So, in the absence of that, at EAAC can you block lots of days off together and put all you're flying close together? What's the most day's off you get in a row? Do they allow you to trade shifts with other crew?
The flying sounds tough sometimes, but I've been doing some flying overseas, and it's even rougher at times... I've been getting lots of time off, but when you're flying, you fly hard! 3 flights outbound, a total FLIGHT time of 11hrs (thats a 13.5 hr duty day), with only 9 hrs rest, by the time you get the shuttle to the hotel and check-in, you're down to about 8.5hrs, quick bite to eat, wash face, less than 6hrs sleep before up again in the morning! Then do the same the next day in reverse back to home base! That's hard! At least EAAC is bound by the UK CAA regs, which are more strict than overseas in relation to max duty day and min rest etc.
Do you like the 747? I've flown on some widebody, but never operated on the 747, only passengered Would love to fly on it tho' - the upper deck position is pretty sweet
Thanks for the tips and stuff.... Safe landings!
I've tried to pvt message you, but don't know if it worked.
So, mostly Standby rosters... What about the days on off pattern...? I was really trying to find some part time flying, but most carriers are only looking for full time. So, in the absence of that, at EAAC can you block lots of days off together and put all you're flying close together? What's the most day's off you get in a row? Do they allow you to trade shifts with other crew?
The flying sounds tough sometimes, but I've been doing some flying overseas, and it's even rougher at times... I've been getting lots of time off, but when you're flying, you fly hard! 3 flights outbound, a total FLIGHT time of 11hrs (thats a 13.5 hr duty day), with only 9 hrs rest, by the time you get the shuttle to the hotel and check-in, you're down to about 8.5hrs, quick bite to eat, wash face, less than 6hrs sleep before up again in the morning! Then do the same the next day in reverse back to home base! That's hard! At least EAAC is bound by the UK CAA regs, which are more strict than overseas in relation to max duty day and min rest etc.
Do you like the 747? I've flown on some widebody, but never operated on the 747, only passengered
Would love to fly on it tho' - the upper deck position is pretty sweet Thanks for the tips and stuff.... Safe landings!
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Hi YYC F/A
The days off thing are a little bit of a grey area so far as your roster is never what is printed.
Days off are changed all the time and you are usually called by operations on your day off or on a sby and usually after it has finished and late at night.
The crew i mentioned in my last post lost a day off because they landed after midnight, so one day off and then out to canada for 24hrs and i think they get 22hrs back at base to go off and do a another 9 day trip with days off down route.
The aircrafts are very old and falling to bits inside literally. But i'm sure they were fab in there hay day.
At the moment there is not part time and you can not save all your days off together basically you do what they want and when they want.
At the end of the day only you can make the final decission, we can only advise you on what we know.
So good luck and i hope this helps a lttle.
Safe skies and happy flying
The days off thing are a little bit of a grey area so far as your roster is never what is printed.
Days off are changed all the time and you are usually called by operations on your day off or on a sby and usually after it has finished and late at night.
The crew i mentioned in my last post lost a day off because they landed after midnight, so one day off and then out to canada for 24hrs and i think they get 22hrs back at base to go off and do a another 9 day trip with days off down route.
The aircrafts are very old and falling to bits inside literally. But i'm sure they were fab in there hay day.
At the moment there is not part time and you can not save all your days off together basically you do what they want and when they want.
At the end of the day only you can make the final decission, we can only advise you on what we know.
So good luck and i hope this helps a lttle.
Safe skies and happy flying
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Still back biting?
Dear All,
The back biting still continues!
It makes me mad to see that half the people on here slate the company but work for them... hence will not leave their name as concerned they will be found out and lose there job, it just doesn't make sense to me.
To all those concerned who still work there, move on if its that bad!
Moneyshot, e-mail me, long time no hear..
[email protected]
The back biting still continues!
It makes me mad to see that half the people on here slate the company but work for them... hence will not leave their name as concerned they will be found out and lose there job, it just doesn't make sense to me.
To all those concerned who still work there, move on if its that bad!
Moneyshot, e-mail me, long time no hear..
[email protected]
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Hello Boys and Girls and fellow citizens of Wibble,
Well said Sara,
I would like to agree with you here, When I was at EAL I have had the time of my life and feel that this is one of the best companies that I have worked for.
It is nice to see some other pople being positive about EAL as well (the likes of BIG DICK and Moneyshot). As for some of the others on this topic you all hve quite obviously had some bad experiences with the company, but an airline would'nt be an airline if everyone was kept happy all of the time, don't you agree?
VENUS - you seen to be a bit upset with BD, hope it is nothing personal like you seem to be making it. how about identifying yourself?
Anyone that is thinking about working for them, as long has you have nothing to lose and are up for a big challenge then go for it, you won't make look back, unless you get treated like VENUS!!
Well said Sara,
I would like to agree with you here, When I was at EAL I have had the time of my life and feel that this is one of the best companies that I have worked for.
It is nice to see some other pople being positive about EAL as well (the likes of BIG DICK and Moneyshot). As for some of the others on this topic you all hve quite obviously had some bad experiences with the company, but an airline would'nt be an airline if everyone was kept happy all of the time, don't you agree?
VENUS - you seen to be a bit upset with BD, hope it is nothing personal like you seem to be making it. how about identifying yourself?
Anyone that is thinking about working for them, as long has you have nothing to lose and are up for a big challenge then go for it, you won't make look back, unless you get treated like VENUS!!
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Hello Boys and Girls and fellow citizens of Wibble,
another person who has had a bad experience eh? I'm sure there are more people there who are having a better time of it than VENUS and yourself. Why don't you both leave the company if you have that much of a problem with it?
another person who has had a bad experience eh? I'm sure there are more people there who are having a better time of it than VENUS and yourself. Why don't you both leave the company if you have that much of a problem with it?
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Canada Air Charter
Hi All
European are reported to be doing the flying for Canada Air Charter. this would require UK EAAC crews to work out of Canada to various european / worldwide destinations. the rumour is that they will use 1 or 2 747's with British crews, with layovers in YYZ/YMX for 2 weeks flying Canadian pax to Rome etc.
Any one at EAAC know anymore?
European are reported to be doing the flying for Canada Air Charter. this would require UK EAAC crews to work out of Canada to various european / worldwide destinations. the rumour is that they will use 1 or 2 747's with British crews, with layovers in YYZ/YMX for 2 weeks flying Canadian pax to Rome etc.
Any one at EAAC know anymore?
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Seems to be a lot of confusion as to who is doing what in regards to the CanadaAirCharter flying. I have it on good authority from someone who works at CanadaAirCharter in YMX that European is only supplying the IFD and Front End - i(e Brits or EU employees) and the rest of the crew will be made up by Canadians already trained. However others at Eurpoean are saying all the crew will come from them. I'd like to know whats what as I have an interview with European with the hopes of flying out of Canada - as I'm from there but luckily hold a EU passport too??? I'm confused.
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Hello Boys and Girls and fellow citizens of Wibble,
Initially the all the crew will be supplied by EAAC but only until the canniadian crews get trained up an the aircraft. however that being said the flight deck, IFD and purser positions will still be EAAC crew.
Hope this helps.
Initially the all the crew will be supplied by EAAC but only until the canniadian crews get trained up an the aircraft. however that being said the flight deck, IFD and purser positions will still be EAAC crew.
Hope this helps.
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DeniseT - I've sent you an email... I'm in same pos as you... I'd be looking at commuting back and forward to Canada, but if EAAC were already flying to / from and ex. Canada, that would be perfect.
EAAC employees - how does it work with travel benefits (if any). I know that they don't fill all the jumpseats on the 747 - can you 'jumpseat' in uniform or otherwise if you're commuting or positioning?
Also, anyone know if they're still looking for direct entry Purser / CSD's? Called personnel, and they are very vague!!!
Thx x millions!
EAAC employees - how does it work with travel benefits (if any). I know that they don't fill all the jumpseats on the 747 - can you 'jumpseat' in uniform or otherwise if you're commuting or positioning?
Also, anyone know if they're still looking for direct entry Purser / CSD's? Called personnel, and they are very vague!!!
Thx x millions!