TV Prog - Confessions of Steward
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I think it wise to remember some of the additional accusations made by those individuals on that TV program.
More than one person claimed that in an emergency CC would abandon ship and let the passengers fend for themselves.
In 1985 a BA B737 had an emergency at MAN. I believe 155 people died in that tragedy. It later became the subject of an incident review in the company I work for and it was reported that the CC who were killed by the flashover, died at their stations, while evacuating passengers. This demonstrated professionalism of the highest order not to mention bravery that any soldier would be proud of. I thought that the TV program was an insult to them at the very least. In a similar vain Flt deck crews were said to be green with fear and rendered almost helpless. I suppose in a similar way that the crew of the Sioux City disaster was.
I am sure all of us were embarrassed at the revelation by the channel 4 program about flight deck drinking. We may not have liked it, but they took the trouble to provide evidence. ITV weren’t interested in that. They just provided a public platform for any ex CC to say what they liked without providing proof. At least one person was dismissed for gross misconduct. It makes you wonder if these accusations have an element of revenge about them?
More than one person claimed that in an emergency CC would abandon ship and let the passengers fend for themselves.
In 1985 a BA B737 had an emergency at MAN. I believe 155 people died in that tragedy. It later became the subject of an incident review in the company I work for and it was reported that the CC who were killed by the flashover, died at their stations, while evacuating passengers. This demonstrated professionalism of the highest order not to mention bravery that any soldier would be proud of. I thought that the TV program was an insult to them at the very least. In a similar vain Flt deck crews were said to be green with fear and rendered almost helpless. I suppose in a similar way that the crew of the Sioux City disaster was.
I am sure all of us were embarrassed at the revelation by the channel 4 program about flight deck drinking. We may not have liked it, but they took the trouble to provide evidence. ITV weren’t interested in that. They just provided a public platform for any ex CC to say what they liked without providing proof. At least one person was dismissed for gross misconduct. It makes you wonder if these accusations have an element of revenge about them?
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The main "accusation" was that they, as individuals, would look after number one- not surprising, then, that people of their level of professionalism would assume that others would do the same.
I tend to agree that what we saw on the programme were the dregs of the Cabin Crew world, almost certainly selected for the programme because of their willingness to spill the most lurid possible beans. Reminds me a little of the Damilola Taylor witness who was far more interested in running up large expense accounts, and procuring large sums of money for herself, than simply telling the truth...
I tend to agree that what we saw on the programme were the dregs of the Cabin Crew world, almost certainly selected for the programme because of their willingness to spill the most lurid possible beans. Reminds me a little of the Damilola Taylor witness who was far more interested in running up large expense accounts, and procuring large sums of money for herself, than simply telling the truth...
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The guy with the goatee was definately ex EZY crew, but for some reason he's not given the same name....At ezy Mat Blindell on prog Mat something else! Maybe hes (rightfully) embarrased!
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Sorry to be a bore but I should point out that article 67 of the Air Navigation Order actually says:
"Every person in an aircraft shall obey all lawful commands which the commander of that aircraft may give for the purpose of securing the safety of the aircraft and of persons or property carried therein, or the safety, efficiency or regularity of air navigation." see http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/s...0/20001562.htm
It is not restricted to UK registered aircraft and will apply to any aircraft in UK airspace.
"Every person in an aircraft shall obey all lawful commands which the commander of that aircraft may give for the purpose of securing the safety of the aircraft and of persons or property carried therein, or the safety, efficiency or regularity of air navigation." see http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/s...0/20001562.htm
It is not restricted to UK registered aircraft and will apply to any aircraft in UK airspace.
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Max-Cont I reckon it's impossible to gauge how anyone would react in an emergency situ until you're put in one..I'm sure we'd all say we'd do our bit but adrenalin has a funny way of making even the best react.
But for all those people that have been in the situ and reacted "The right way" hats off...well done.
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But for all those people that have been in the situ and reacted "The right way" hats off...well done.
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Couple of points which are going back a bit in the thread but I've been away.
You can't fish ham out of a salad and pass it off as a kosher meal.
Kosher meals have to be sealed during manufacture with a Beth Din seal which indicates it's authenticity. A person requesting a kosher meal is the only person allowed to break the seal. If it's been tampered with they quite rightly will refuse it.
Also if you ever used the galley on an ATR you would see that you can't even get a coffee pot over the sink cos there's not enought room. But it has a big hand basin in the loo.
You can't fish ham out of a salad and pass it off as a kosher meal.
Kosher meals have to be sealed during manufacture with a Beth Din seal which indicates it's authenticity. A person requesting a kosher meal is the only person allowed to break the seal. If it's been tampered with they quite rightly will refuse it.
Also if you ever used the galley on an ATR you would see that you can't even get a coffee pot over the sink cos there's not enought room. But it has a big hand basin in the loo.
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You can pass it off as kosher if they don't know about it. It ain't right but it happens. You know it ain't kosher any more but they don't. If the kosher meal contains a hot entree you get the guy/gal to break the seal to get the entree out so you can cook it in the oven so back it all goes to the galley seal broken. This is the point at which the 'kosher-ness' gets violated. Technically a kosher entree is supposed to be cooked in an oven with no 'unclean' entrees in it. Yeah right! So you're supposed to take out all the other dozens of meals to cook one meal and have everyone else complain because there meals aren't available for another half an hour? You cook the entree with everyone else and tell the passenger that of course their meal was cooked on its own.
There are limits as to what can be achieved catering for mixed cultures of up to 500 people in a fixed time frame in an aluminium tube with few crew. A quick return from NY to Heathrow may give 5 hours of working time for 500 people. Well that means 36 seconds per passenger and of course everyone wants special treatment.
Don't get me wrong, I am also apalled by what has gone on/still goes on but some people seem a little naive.
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There are limits as to what can be achieved catering for mixed cultures of up to 500 people in a fixed time frame in an aluminium tube with few crew. A quick return from NY to Heathrow may give 5 hours of working time for 500 people. Well that means 36 seconds per passenger and of course everyone wants special treatment.
Don't get me wrong, I am also apalled by what has gone on/still goes on but some people seem a little naive.
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You can't fish ham out of a salad and pass it off as a kosher meal.
Reference ATR galleys etc, read my earlier on galley design. Anyway, on the several aircraft types (not including the ATR) on which I have seen pots being taken into the lavatory compartment, many times, it wasn't the washbasin that was used.
All this food hygiene was only raised because it was mentioned several times on 'that' programme, among other bad practices, including flying the aircraft, and some people went overboard on adamantly declaring the whole programme to be a web of fabrication. Other people, while not wanting for sensible reasons to get embroiled in the flying issue, observed that they had seen many or all of the 'non-flying' practices, so the programme wasn't that much of a fabrication.
Anybody see the next programme in the series, 'Confessions of an Estate Agent'? If there's a Professional Estate Agents Rumour Network (PEARuNe?), is it now heavy on "outraged and self-righteous" indignation on estate agents using the vendor's bed to bonk prospective purchasers during the showing round, or wearing the vendor's clothes and even having the trousers shortened to fit?
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I have a lot of respect for the majority of cc who do a tough job very well. I would imagine however that the ITV claims about occasional lack of hygiene from a minority of our colleagues are probably true. I also suspect that other un-professional behaviour occurs from time to time, although I'd be surprised at any Cptn letting a non-pilot anywhere near the controls since the Aeroflot incident. My question to ppruners is what can be done to prevent these rare occurrences?
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Hi All,
Well I ve just watched another episode of Confessions - this one was about doctors, nurses and paramedics.
IT WAS ALSO TOTAL AND UTTER CR*P!
Think that probably just goes to prove that the producers/ ITV will screen just about anything if it gets ratings.
I and all of my colleagues in the NHS would get the sack if caugt doing any of the things metioned in the program.
Need I say more? Still perhaps it will frighten some of the time wasters abusing the ambulance service and a & e departments!
Well I ve just watched another episode of Confessions - this one was about doctors, nurses and paramedics.
IT WAS ALSO TOTAL AND UTTER CR*P!
Think that probably just goes to prove that the producers/ ITV will screen just about anything if it gets ratings.
I and all of my colleagues in the NHS would get the sack if caugt doing any of the things metioned in the program.
Need I say more? Still perhaps it will frighten some of the time wasters abusing the ambulance service and a & e departments!
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Just a thought wrt to Captain's responsibility:
In the real world, once the seatbelt sign is on, you (as the Captain) are now covered legally if Joe Public breaks his leg whilst not strapped in during turbulence. Please don't assume for a second that if the belts are on, the masses are necessarily seated!!
In the real world, once the seatbelt sign is on, you (as the Captain) are now covered legally if Joe Public breaks his leg whilst not strapped in during turbulence. Please don't assume for a second that if the belts are on, the masses are necessarily seated!!
