Female Passenger, 25, 'groped airline steward after drinking pint of whisky'

[west lakes]

The court case result and some more info, particularly that she took two bottles of alcohol on board with her, so little to do with the crew that she was drunk.

BBC News - Teacher Katherine Goldberg groped air steward on flight

[Lemain]

Thanks for posting that link. A very sad case. It seems that the young lady is an alcoholic, which is an illness. Hopefully she will seek treatment. Thankfully she was said by the judge not to have been a danger to anyone, just an irritation. I suppose that a fine of £1,500, an 11-month community order, £250 costs and 80 hours of unpaid work is deemed to be a fair sentence for someone who has irritated others. I wonder what sentence she'd have got for mugging someone?

[TightSlot]

Originally Posted by Lemain

I suppose that a fine of £1,500, an 11-month community order, £250 costs and 80 hours of unpaid work is deemed to be a fair sentence for someone who has irritated others. I wonder what sentence she'd have got for mugging someone?

You can't know the appropriate sentence for a hypothetical, or even for this actual one, because you were not present at the incident, neither were you present at the court case: You may, conceivably, be a Judge, but I have serious doubts and would, be seriously concerned for future UK justice if you were.

In fact, you have simply trolled this thread with a series of ill-considered subjective judgements and assumptions: The outcome of the trial has clearly demonstrated the facts of the matter, and still you lack the grace to concede gracefully, preferring instead to snipe at the next available target - in this instance, sentencing policy.

You're free to post your toxin elsewhere on PPRuNe, but no longer in this forum. We'll miss you!

[paull]

Is this the end of it?

"The judge said he hoped she would be allowed to continue to teach despite the sexual assault conviction."

I hope so too, but I am not sure if the rules leave much discretion. She may be barred from teaching, anyone know how it works?

[abeaumont]

I know how it works, but as I am a retired teacher that is hardly surprising.

She will be reported to the General Teaching Council for England. There will be a formal hearing following which a decision will be made. She has brought the teaching profession into disrepute and can expect to be the subject of a prohibition order. What that means is than for the length of time for which the order is in effect (may be anything from a year or so to permanent) she will not be permitted to teach in a state school. If currently employed the order will terminate her employment.

She might be allowed to return to teaching providing she can prove (ie medical evidence) that she has sought professional help for the drink problem and that it is under control.

[paull]

Do you have a duty of care?

It all seems to have gone quiet on this thread so let me re-start with the following..

Someone is incapable of looking after themselves, are you then responsible for talking charge of them? Once you do, are you responsible for their actions? If the passenger was moved, and put into the care of the FA, who is in charge?
For a teacher it is clear (in the UK, not in France) , you are in 'loco parentis'
you are responsible, to keep the kids from harm and you have parental authority.

In France, we all have an obligation (Good Samaritan is inshrined in the law) for anyone in need of care. If one of my guests is sufficiently pissed( english usage, not american) , that I decide to move them somewhere so they are not bothering anyone, and they try to grope me, and I am not in any way threatened, then I have an obligation to look after them and (at some later time, have a reasonable expectation of an apology!)

I make the difference between 1> someone who is so pissed, they think I am their ex. and call me by said ex's name ; and
2> Some oaf/oafess who thinks it is ok to grope the FAs

As a passenger I have seen a FA touched on the thigh, and being across the asle , I saw both her initial facial expression, and then immediately after, the big fixed smile when she turned to see what said Oaf wanted. It made me feel sick and I was amazed at her professionalism, but I knew if I started a fight with the guy it was not likely to make her job easier :-)

Now of course, it is not for the victim to ask of the perp. their profession. But, if a FA, off duty, say, in a bar (and before you object, I did not even say a free bar) , gropes a waiter or waitress, would they expect to lose their job, no, sorry, to lose their job and be barred from all other airlines? I guess not. I guess that is the price you pay for having a 'profession' .

The funny thing is, given that she is not allowed to teach, she might decide (with family in a far-off land) to apply for a job as a FA (I guess she is barred from that too!)

So that leaves, Social work (oohps)..?

Any thoughts?

No axe to grind, not a teacher, married to one.