People in Economy that insist on using Business Class toilets .
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Economy pax are not the only offenders
We have totally forgotten about those pax in B zone on a BA 747 who have paid for J but use the F loos. An even bigger crime when B zone is in W config.
The red rope is there for a reason. If only the crew would actually place it across the curtain...
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The red rope is there for a reason. If only the crew would actually place it across the curtain...
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Sorry, but if the loo is free I'll use it, don't care where it is. I won't disturb you by doing so, I do have an awareness of other people. There's nothing aggressive about that.
Diplome,
...as for the likes of Lord Spandex Masher, its hardly elitist. Individuals have paid for a product and expect to receive the benefit of that product, and there are adult undergarments that will help you with your problem.
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Someone's house - No, private property, but if I was desperate and there wasn't another one close I'd ask.
Hairdresser - I'd ask if I was desperate, but as it's a seperate entity I wouldn't be in there in the first place.
Tesco toilets full - I'd have to wait. Same as all the toilets in use on board I'd wait but as soon as one becomes free I'm in it.
Now, if Tesco had Clubcard Holders Only toilets and the non-clubcard toilets were full then, yes, I'd use them.
Or, would you like me to just go in the aisle? Or risk a severe medical condition by holding it in for too long?
Hairdresser - I'd ask if I was desperate, but as it's a seperate entity I wouldn't be in there in the first place.
Tesco toilets full - I'd have to wait. Same as all the toilets in use on board I'd wait but as soon as one becomes free I'm in it.
Now, if Tesco had Clubcard Holders Only toilets and the non-clubcard toilets were full then, yes, I'd use them.
Or, would you like me to just go in the aisle? Or risk a severe medical condition by holding it in for too long?
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Why Mr Spandex, you must be a bundle of joy on board an a/c!
I don't know how the toilets "at the back" are, but i'm pretty sure they don't have flowers in them, nor do they have Elemis products for use when you're washing your hands.
If i paid for a CLUB ticket, i expect only pax in CLUB to use the CLUB toilets. It's only fair; you get what you pay for. Why should someone who had not paid for a CW ticket use the stuff i paid for?
What are you going to say next, that if you fancy some more wine you just go help yourself from Club World kitchen?
I don't know how the toilets "at the back" are, but i'm pretty sure they don't have flowers in them, nor do they have Elemis products for use when you're washing your hands.
If i paid for a CLUB ticket, i expect only pax in CLUB to use the CLUB toilets. It's only fair; you get what you pay for. Why should someone who had not paid for a CW ticket use the stuff i paid for?
What are you going to say next, that if you fancy some more wine you just go help yourself from Club World kitchen?
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But a toilet is a toilet is a toilet. Init? Doesn't matter where it is.
If your business/club/first passenger found himself waiting excessively for the business/club/first loo then I'm sure they'd have no compunction in heading down the back for relief!
If your business/club/first passenger found himself waiting excessively for the business/club/first loo then I'm sure they'd have no compunction in heading down the back for relief!
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As I once pointed out to a CSD having a long queue of people waiting to use a toilet while there are others not being used made him and his crew look ineffective and un-caring towards their passengers. He agreed and starting sending people off to use other toilets.
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If my memory serves me correctly, business class on El Al 747s in the 70s was restricted to the first 6 rows at the pointy end. This meant that all the toilets were in economy. Am I entitled to a refund for having to pass through the curtain to spend a penny?
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I had it the other day where there was just a single restroom for business class, after I politely asked them to go and use the Economy restrooms, the customer refused and kind of ignored me and went on in after I had explained politely I needed it for business class customers.
No sooner the restroom became occupied by the Y class person, someone from Business got up to use the facility and couldn't, so then had to sit back down and wait 5-10 mins for a washroom in their own cabin area, which would have been empty for them - as said person really took their time.
Isn't that wrong when someone has paid a premium fare? That's my prime reasoning.
No sooner the restroom became occupied by the Y class person, someone from Business got up to use the facility and couldn't, so then had to sit back down and wait 5-10 mins for a washroom in their own cabin area, which would have been empty for them - as said person really took their time.
Isn't that wrong when someone has paid a premium fare? That's my prime reasoning.
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Baggersup, here you go.
The Tokyo Convention applies to crew and passengers on board an aircraft.
It is a sensible document and if more passengers were aware of its ramifications and the extended powers of a captain and his/her crew to ensure good order and discipline on board, there would be a lot less day to day trouble and aggravation for both crews and passengers. And a lot fewer passengers would end up in handcuffs, with thick tie wraps around their ankles trussed up in their seat like Xmas turkeys.
Convention on Offences and Certain Other Acts Committed on Board Aircraft, Tokyo, 14 September 1963 (*)
(*) Summary courtesy of ICAO
The Tokyo Convention applies to crew and passengers on board an aircraft.
It is a sensible document and if more passengers were aware of its ramifications and the extended powers of a captain and his/her crew to ensure good order and discipline on board, there would be a lot less day to day trouble and aggravation for both crews and passengers. And a lot fewer passengers would end up in handcuffs, with thick tie wraps around their ankles trussed up in their seat like Xmas turkeys.
Convention on Offences and Certain Other Acts Committed on Board Aircraft, Tokyo, 14 September 1963 (*)
The Convention applies to offences and other acts prejudicial to good order and discipline on board an aircraft, committed while the aircraft is in flight or on the surface of the high seas or of any other area outside the territory of any State. It does not apply to State aircraft, for example, aircraft used in military, customs and police services.
The purpose of the Tokyo Convention is to protect the safety of the aircraft and of the persons or property thereon and to maintain good order and discipline on board. The aircraft commander, members of the crew and, in specific circumstances, even passengers on board, are empowered to prevent the commission of such acts and to disembark the person concerned. The aircraft commander may also disembark the offender or, if the offence is serious, deliver him to the competent authorities of a Contracting State when the aircraft lands. The Convention protects the aircraft commander and any crew member or passenger assisting him in imposing the measures he finds necessary from any proceedings in respect of actions taken by them.
The purpose of the Tokyo Convention is to protect the safety of the aircraft and of the persons or property thereon and to maintain good order and discipline on board. The aircraft commander, members of the crew and, in specific circumstances, even passengers on board, are empowered to prevent the commission of such acts and to disembark the person concerned. The aircraft commander may also disembark the offender or, if the offence is serious, deliver him to the competent authorities of a Contracting State when the aircraft lands. The Convention protects the aircraft commander and any crew member or passenger assisting him in imposing the measures he finds necessary from any proceedings in respect of actions taken by them.
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Aside from Y pax just being deliberately awkward (a trait not unique to Y), shouldn't the beef be with the airlines who fail to provide adequate facilities in Y, not the Y pax who need to go ?
The loo to seat ratio on LH Y is a disgrace, (and also have a thought for the unfortunate Y's who get stuck with a seat near the loos). Not only is it uncomfortable for those queueing or sat near the loos, but the level of use on an 8 hour plus flight leads to a very unpleasant/potentially unhygenic situation. Moreover, everytime there is a turbulence incident reported here on Pprune, there is a race to attack the idiots not wearing their seatbelts, only to be followed by more objective comments that the level of injuries equates to the number of people who would normally be queueing for the loo at that time of the flight.
As a generally rule compliant individual, if I was in Y needing to go, and there was a 20min Q for the Y loos, on safety grounds alone I would consider it appropriate that I have access to the J loo to minimise the turbulence risk, never mind the biological one!
The loo to seat ratio on LH Y is a disgrace, (and also have a thought for the unfortunate Y's who get stuck with a seat near the loos). Not only is it uncomfortable for those queueing or sat near the loos, but the level of use on an 8 hour plus flight leads to a very unpleasant/potentially unhygenic situation. Moreover, everytime there is a turbulence incident reported here on Pprune, there is a race to attack the idiots not wearing their seatbelts, only to be followed by more objective comments that the level of injuries equates to the number of people who would normally be queueing for the loo at that time of the flight.
As a generally rule compliant individual, if I was in Y needing to go, and there was a 20min Q for the Y loos, on safety grounds alone I would consider it appropriate that I have access to the J loo to minimise the turbulence risk, never mind the biological one!
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Aside from Y pax just being deliberately awkward (a trait not unique to Y), shouldn't the beef be with the airlines who fail to provide adequate facilities in Y, not the Y pax who need to go ?
As I said earlier, it is not the loo access that worries me, so much as the disruption to my attempts to sleep, when I have paid a substantial premium for more comfortable accomodation.
I took an intra Europe flight, in Y, this week and watched a stream of pax walk from the Y cabin into the C. I was not one of them, but if I'd been in C, I would have been disappointed to suffer habitual distrubance.
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Interesting, an aircraft toilet becomes a study in the establishment of dominance hierarchy.
After a motion, the individual probably believes each class has their own septic holding tank to receive the body waste and that it isn't allowed to mix with the lower orders. When eventually he does get off to an undisturbed sleep he probably dreams of his 'blue ice' dropping on the heads of lesser mortals far below and wakes up feeling totally refreshed.
After a motion, the individual probably believes each class has their own septic holding tank to receive the body waste and that it isn't allowed to mix with the lower orders. When eventually he does get off to an undisturbed sleep he probably dreams of his 'blue ice' dropping on the heads of lesser mortals far below and wakes up feeling totally refreshed.
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I've found an answer. Just pee down the business class curtain........ 
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Part of the whole congestion issue in Y is due to some people going to the loo much more often than what they'd do at home. It could be boredom, I suppose, as you get a chance to sit and think about ablutions and suchlike.
I've seen it plenty of times. 90 mins flight time, several people using the toilet 3 times, sometimes more. These were adults in their 20's and 30's. I obviously don't know whether all these people have bladder problems, but I do think it's boredom.
Now, if it wasn't for "everyone" going to the loo as soon as the meal service is done (LH), there wouldn't be so much congestion either. Yes, go when you need to, but just be quick in there when there's a queue.
I'm one of the "evil"
ones that send the passenger back to Y unless there's someone with a mobility problem or medical issue. Hate me if you like, I don't mind, but my Club passengers usually thank me for it.
I've seen it plenty of times. 90 mins flight time, several people using the toilet 3 times, sometimes more. These were adults in their 20's and 30's. I obviously don't know whether all these people have bladder problems, but I do think it's boredom.
Now, if it wasn't for "everyone" going to the loo as soon as the meal service is done (LH), there wouldn't be so much congestion either. Yes, go when you need to, but just be quick in there when there's a queue.
I'm one of the "evil"
ones that send the passenger back to Y unless there's someone with a mobility problem or medical issue. Hate me if you like, I don't mind, but my Club passengers usually thank me for it.
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No. It isn't.
The first two are not private jets but those found in premium cabins aboard two airlines in the Gulf. The extra space required for these bigger bogs, and the expensive products within them are paid for via higher fares for premium pax - just like their seats and catering.
No reasonable crew member would expect you to pee yourself, but as with the queue at the mall - if you are that close - ask to go in front or failing that go earlier, the other cabin is a last resort, fine, but it is not the god given right you seem to allude to.
If your argument was more reasonable, you may find those of us working in the industry become more reasonable too however.
The first two are not private jets but those found in premium cabins aboard two airlines in the Gulf. The extra space required for these bigger bogs, and the expensive products within them are paid for via higher fares for premium pax - just like their seats and catering.
No reasonable crew member would expect you to pee yourself, but as with the queue at the mall - if you are that close - ask to go in front or failing that go earlier, the other cabin is a last resort, fine, but it is not the god given right you seem to allude to.
If your argument was more reasonable, you may find those of us working in the industry become more reasonable too however.
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Nice pictures.
Am I to understand, then, that having paid for a Tesco class seat but being lucky enough to be upgraded to Business class you would expect me to use the Tesco bog? I only paid for that afterall.
By the way at no point have I alluded to a god given right to use the posh loo. But I have a reasonable expectation to use any loo should I require it.
I also work in the industry so, therefore, there are some people who do work in this industry that are already reasonable!
Am I to understand, then, that having paid for a Tesco class seat but being lucky enough to be upgraded to Business class you would expect me to use the Tesco bog? I only paid for that afterall.
By the way at no point have I alluded to a god given right to use the posh loo. But I have a reasonable expectation to use any loo should I require it.
I also work in the industry so, therefore, there are some people who do work in this industry that are already reasonable!